Round 2, making sure I don't F up again!

[spiegel549]

Round 1 met this girl and had her over and failed to make the move to kiss her. (unlike me) So it was a big crash and burn. I learned from my mistakes and I want to make sure I play it this time PERFECTLY, guidance please!

Round 2: I met a new girl at a college party. I was the Alpha male to the max. Ran the damn show. Was dancing with her all night, made the move to kiss her, she turned her head, kept on pushing and BAM we started making out, I was teasing the hell out of her, building up sexual tension, grabbing her tits and ass. She was into me big time. Eventually she had to drive her friends home so we exchanged numbers and we agreed to see each other during the week.

1st Date Call A few days went by and I called her, she answered and said "wow look who it is hello!" (excited that I called and seemed a bit nervous) She said she was heading to class so I was short & sweet, confident to the point.

Me: I want to take you out wednesday night, go grab something to eat and go from there, would you like to do that?
Her: Yes! But..I have a friend visiting tuesday but she will be gone wednesday afternoon, and I have class until 630!
Me: No problem, how about I pick you up after class at 7pm, is that enough time for you to get ready?
Her: I should be ready for 730ish.
Me: Okay I will get you for 8pm.
Her: Sounds good!
Me: Why don't you text me your address when you get a chance so I have it, and you enjoy your night, and I'll see you Wednesday.
Her: Okay you too, have a good night!

I am remaining NC-GHOST until wednesday. The contacting in between dates royally screwed the last broads interest level so I shall NOT repeat. If anything I will send a confirmation text wednesday before I am heading over to get her that I am "On my way."

**My main question is since we already were at the point of tearing each others clothes off..should I play this differently then a woman I haven't kissed yet? I am sure its OK to kiss her on the lips when I see her, keep the Kino aggressive like I already did correct?

**Also I thought she was going to make excuses at first when she threw those 2 different things at me that she had (her friend visiting & class) but I worked around them and set the date.

Anything to add? Advice on how to play it when I see her? Push to have sex afterwards? What do you men think?

 

[Pimp-sicle]

Couple points to make and then I'll answer your questions.

1) Texting in between is fine if you know how to carry a conversation; as you know most young girls are glued to their phones and if you have text game you can build a lot of rapport quickly. The problem comes in when your not great at conversation and you pointlessly text and text and text... she gets bored and her interest level plummets. Point I'm trying to make is there's a difference between the two, learn how to set yourself apart.

-If you truly set yourself apart from the pack of sheep when you met at the party she will be looking forward to your texts/calls and seeing you.

2) Sounds like there was a good amount of alcohol induced attraction at the party. So kissing her etc, shouldn't be a big deal since its already happened and she seems interested.

However, I'd focus on building more comfort with her and trying to get to know her on this first date. If you go in too soon for the goods, she WILL think that all you want is one thing and then her ASD will come up in full effect and sabatoge your efforts.

A girl has to feel comfortable with you before she will phuck you, unless its a ONS and she's hammered.

Focus on teasing her, flirting, kiss her, then pull away first and go back to what you were doing on the date..... remember with women anticipation builds excitement, which makes them horny.

Remember its not a race to see how fast you can smash. What would you rather have; a girl you banged on the first date who you might never see again? Or a girl who you bang on the 2nd date and who you keep banging for a while there after?









PIMP

 

[spiegel549]

Remember its not a race to see how fast you can smash. What would you rather have; a girl you banged on the first date who you might never see again? Or a girl who you bang on the 2nd date and who you keep banging for a while there after?

PIMP

I understand what you are saying with the texting. That makes sense. I am extremely confident in person holding a conversation, my full time job has been in the entertainment industry talking face to face is easy for me. Strangely enough I was never good at the texting conversations. It doesn't come natural to me because with texting there is no emotion, there is nothing to listen to, no body language to read, no visuals to look for etc.

Every time I try to text it just doesn't come out right. Or I get too flirty and comes out as NEEDY. So I avoid it all together, unless she texts me then its different. Should I LEARN to text better?? haha.

I would prefer to have a potential LTR with a female that I kept banging over and over and enjoy spending time with then a hammered one night ****. (also wouldn't throw a ONS outta my room either lol)

Question: I am picking her up at 8pm which is pretty late to start. I mentioned getting something to eat but now I am thinking dinner at 830 at night? Listen I obviously can't plan this **** and need to see how the night goes but afterwards it just seems like a fun idea to say "hey lets rent a few movies and watch it at your place."

I just don't want to be saying indirectly "hey lets go back and **** because thats really why I came to see you tonight!"

Because I rather hold off if thats better to build the anticipation, I am honestly just thinking about that last broad that when i didn't make a move to kiss her she dropped her interest dramatically. I guess since I already made out etc its a differeent scenario? if I am getting her late, rather then having a 2 hour date, maybe watching a movie, making out etc would be fun.

What do you think Pimp my friend?

 

[Harry Wilmington]

Congrats on getting a Round 2! So far you've done things the right way - Got the number? Check! CALLED for the date instead of texting? Check! Set a specific time, day, and activity? Check!

Okay, here's now not to blow it:

1. DO NOT TEXT HER BETWEEN NOW AND WEDNESDAY. I can't stress enough how much texting kills relationships. If anything, texting her messages is what you do AFTER you're in a relationship with her (and even then, keep it to a minimum). Until then, you don't need to give her the extra attention - she hasn't earned it yet, and it's just going to make you look like you're needy. Plus, the more you text her now, the less you'll have to talk about when you see her on the date.

Speaking of "no texting..."

2. DO NOT TEXT OR CALL TO CONFIRM THE DATE OR TELL HER YOU'RE ON THE WAY. You made the plans on the phone already - THAT was your confirmation. I know why you want to do it - to make sure she doesn't cancel. However, you need to think the opposite way: you WANT her to cancel. You're DYING for her to hit you up at the last minute and give you a bogus excuse. Why? 'Cause if she does, you'll know she's NOT really interested, and you no longer have to waste your time on her.

However, if she IS interested in you, she's going to remember the date. And the only way to test that interest is by NOT calling her. In fact - and here's what I found to be surprising once I stopped trying to "confirm" all my dates" - if you don't call, there's a 98% chance that SHE will hit YOU up to make sure YOU are still going to show up. Then you'll have a VERY good gauge of her interest in going on a date with you.

3. WHEN YOU FIRST SEE HER, DON'T KISS HER RIGHT AWAY. The mistake most guys make is, they assume they should just start right off with how aggressive they were with a girl the last time. Nope, you don't want to open with that. Doing that will make her think you're just in it for the physical stuff, not to know her.

You have to play it slick. When I make out with a girl on a date, you know what I do the next time I see them? I greet them with a hug... and that's it. I let THEM ponder why I'm not attacking them as hard as I was the last time I saw them, and let them play their own head game. "Does he like me? Did I not kiss him in the right way last time? Do I need to try harder to get his attention?" That makes THEM have to work for ME.

Then, throughout the date, I let them initiate most of the touching. I might hold their hand or put my arm around them, but I'm also mindful that we're in public. I use that to my advantage, as it allows me to build up the sexual tension, leaving her wanting me to touch her all over later when we're alone.

4. THE SECRET TO GETTING HER UP TO YOUR PLACE IS TO GIVE HER AN EXCUSE. You could try to just ask her to come up at the end of the date, but it's too direct and can come across the wrong way.

A better way is to mention something in your apartment that's fascinating enough to warrant her coming up to see it. For example: I do film work and have a green screen set up in my room. So, while I'm out on a date, I might say to a girl:

Me: "Yeah, I do a lot of video work. I actually have a green screen set up in my room."
Her: "Really, oh wow!"
Me: "It's pretty cool, like having my own personal studio in my room. Plus I've got lights and stuff in there, the whole works."
Her: "How does it all fit in there?"
Me: "Well... eh, it's hard to explain, I'll have to show it to you some time."

Then, at the end of the date as we're heading back to my apartment...

Her: "Hey... so, can I check out your green screen studio? I'm curious to see what it looks like..."

Yes, it's REALLY that simple. All you have to do is GIVE them the excuse they need to come up to your place, and they'll practically do the work for you! Truth is, they WANT to come up, but they don't want to look like a slvt while doing it. That's why YOU have to give them the opening they need to make it okay to go in with you.

Hope this helps!

 

[spiegel549]

Harry W. I agree with everything, the first time around bombed because I broke all the rules. I have 2 minor questions that I would like your opinion on please.

1) At the end of setting up the first date convo I told her to send me her address so I have it and that I would talk to her Wednesday. She hasnt sent me the address yet so come wednesday I just might have to send a confirmation text unfortunetly. Saying whats your address...unless you think I should wait until SHE contacts to confirm...then I can always say "yes..whats your address cya at 8" like you said if her interest is high SHE WILL reach out to confirm. what do you think?

2) With taking her back up to my place. I know she will want to, and I agree with you that I need to give her an excuse to want to come up but....I live about 35 minutes from her...so I am setting the date up to be around her area...shes an artist and I was thinking about maybe saying "do you have any art that you have done I would love to see it sometime." hoping that she goes "why dont you come up and see!"

***She also has room mates. I have my own place..the night we met when I told her I have my own place she said "oh I like that." I am sure she has her own room but I dont know. I dont mind holding off until date #2 to really build sexual tension like Pimp Sicle said, but if shes asking for it should I just work my way over to my place instead? Its a lot of driving on my part lol...

 

[marmel75]

Yup...give them "plausible deniabiliry" as to why they are in the situation they are in....ie, "I just wanted to go look at his screen in his room and then it just kind of happened" is what her friends are going to hear...not "he asked if I wanted to come back so we could fvck".

It gives her a mental excuse for herself to use for why she is in a situation even though you both know what's about to happen...always give them an excuse to use...

 

[ARrocket]

2. DO NOT TEXT OR CALL TO CONFIRM THE DATE OR TELL HER YOU'RE ON THE WAY. You made the plans on the phone already - THAT was your confirmation. I know why you want to do it - to make sure she doesn't cancel. However, you need to think the opposite way: you WANT her to cancel. You're DYING for her to hit you up at the last minute and give you a bogus excuse. Why? 'Cause if she does, you'll know she's NOT really interested, and you no longer have to waste your time on her.

However, if she IS interested in you, she's going to remember the date. And the only way to test that interest is by NOT calling her. In fact - and here's what I found to be surprising once I stopped trying to "confirm" all my dates" - if you don't call, there's a 98% chance that SHE will hit YOU up to make sure YOU are still going to show up. Then you'll have a VERY good gauge of her interest in going on a date with you.

I agree with everything else you said, but I don't really like this. Sure, if she does call you to confirm, her IL is probably sky high.

However, even if it's not THAT high and she doesn't bother calling, if YOU confirm with HER, you can RAISE her IL on the date, assuming she's not flaking.

In other words, you confirming with her can't hurt, but not confirming could leave you without a date.

I usually just text them a couple hours before like "I'm heading back home now, will leave soon after. See ya later alligator" or something like that.

 

[spiegel549]

I agree with everything else you said, but I don't really like this. Sure, if she does call you to confirm, her IL is probably sky high.

However, even if it's not THAT high and she doesn't bother calling, if YOU confirm with HER, you can RAISE her IL on the date, assuming she's not flaking.

In other words, you confirming with her can't hurt, but not confirming could leave you without a date.

I usually just text them a couple hours before like "I'm heading back home now, will leave soon after. See ya later alligator" or something like that.

I am on the fence with this confirming rule. See usually when I call I won't directly say like a wimp "Are we still on." but I will just say something indirectly confirming the date like "Just getting ready, I will see you at 8pm." It is an indirect way of saying we are still on!

You know I am really iffy with the don't kiss her when you see her rule too lol...please help me understand this further. If her IL is high and I see her, and give her a little peck on the lips and then go about the date, whats wrong with that? Giving her just a hug I dunno.

What do you think?

 

[\O/]

I am on the fence with this confirming rule. See usually when I call I won't directly say like a wimp "Are we still on." but I will just say something indirectly confirming the date like "Just getting ready, I will see you at 8pm." It is an indirect way of saying we are still on!

You know I am really iffy with the don't kiss her when you see her rule too lol...please help me understand this further. If her IL is high and I see her, and give her a little peck on the lips and then go about the date, whats wrong with that? Giving her just a hug I dunno.

What do you think?

You will still appear too eager. Even if you are casual about it. ASSUME that she will show up. Listen to Harry. His advice is golden.

It's not a big deal if you kiss her on the cheek, but don't kiss her on the lips. It's too fast, even if you have kissed her before on the initial meeting. You need to leave her with a little bit of uncertainty. If she thinks you like her, but she is just not quite sure, then you have her right were you want her. Escalate throughout the date and reward her when she shows good behaviour.

Good luck.

 

[ARrocket]

If she thinks you like her, but she is just not quite sure, then you have her right were you want her. Escalate throughout the date and reward her when she shows good behaviour.

Good luck.

Guy makes out with girl. Girl has to leave early. Guy contacts girl to take her out.

Yeah, it's a real mystery whether he likes her or not, I'm sure she can't tell

But yeah, I do agree don't kiss her right away. It's just forcing things, and will just make her nervous. Like these guys said, just restart your escalation from step 1, starting off with a nice tight hug when ya'll meet

 

[\O/]

Guy makes out with girl. Girl has to leave early. Guy contacts girl to take her out.

Yeah, it's a real mystery whether he likes her or not, I'm sure she can't tell

Clearly she is aware that he is interested, but that doesn't mean she can't do no wrong. Women are insecure, and if he is able to keep the right balance and make her wonder, her interest level will rise. If all his actions indicate interest, then the challenge is lost and attraction will be lost also.

But yeah, she knows he likes her. It's practically impossible to ask a girl out without revealing some level of interest, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't lead, hold the frame and make her wonder by being a challenge.

 

[spiegel549]

Clearly she is aware that he is interested, but that doesn't mean she can't do no wrong. Women are insecure, and if he is able to keep the right balance and make her wonder, her interest level will rise. If all his actions indicate interest, then the challenge is lost and attraction will be lost also.

But yeah, she knows he likes her. It's practically impossible to ask a girl out without revealing some level of interest, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't lead, hold the frame and make her wonder by being a challenge.

I get it now. Yeah obviously asking her out says "Hey I have interest in you" but the second I see her, kissing her, being all up her ass is just indirectly saying "Hi I am so into you and I am all yours!!" F*** that lol....

I am taking your advice, and like Harry said taking it back to step 1...slowly escalating through out the date, have her wondering, build up her interest even higher, let her second guess herself, does he like me? why hasn't he kissed me? Should i try harder!?

Then when I drop her off she will REALLY want me to kiss her because I wasn't doing it 50 times through out the date. love it. gonna try it.


Keep you posted after the date.

 

[\O/]

I get it now. Yeah obviously asking her out says "Hey I have interest in you" but the second I see her, kissing her, being all up her ass is just indirectly saying "Hi I am so into you and I am all yours!!" F*** that lol....

I am taking your advice, and like Harry said taking it back to step 1...slowly escalating through out the date, have her wondering, build up her interest even higher, let her second guess herself, does he like me? why hasn't he kissed me? Should i try harder!?

Then when I drop her off she will REALLY want me to kiss her because I wasn't doing it 50 times through out the date. love it. gonna try it.


Keep you posted after the date.

Good, but don't wait until you drop her off to kiss her. That will create an awkward situation for sure. It' too clichè. Go for the kiss during the date when it feels right. Test the waters and just go for it, just not right off the bat.

Go get the girl

 

[cfdagola]

2. DO NOT TEXT OR CALL TO CONFIRM THE DATE OR TELL HER YOU'RE ON THE WAY. You made the plans on the phone already - THAT was your confirmation. I know why you want to do it - to make sure she doesn't cancel. However, you need to think the opposite way: you WANT her to cancel. You're DYING for her to hit you up at the last minute and give you a bogus excuse. Why? 'Cause if she does, you'll know she's NOT really interested, and you no longer have to waste your time on her.

However, if she IS interested in you, she's going to remember the date. And the only way to test that interest is by NOT calling her. In fact - and here's what I found to be surprising once I stopped trying to "confirm" all my dates" - if you don't call, there's a 98% chance that SHE will hit YOU up to make sure YOU are still going to show up. Then you'll have a VERY good gauge of her interest in going on a date with you.

I totally agree on this. If you remembered why can't she? obviously the reason you remember is because YOU WANT to go on this date with the chick. if she feels the same way. SHE WILL WANT to go on the date as well and either text you asking if you're still on or she'll text you and say something about how her friend needs help and she can't go anymore.

either way you got your answer right there.

 

[Trump]

I am on the fence with this confirming rule. See usually when I call I won't directly say like a wimp "Are we still on." but I will just say something indirectly confirming the date like "Just getting ready, I will see you at 8pm." It is an indirect way of saying we are still on!

What do you think?

I think it's OK to say "I'm headed down in 15, want to confirm we are still on?" Not sure how that is a sucker move, shows her you value your time. I've done it a lot did all the girls love it, by then again Im not a major major player like some guys here.

 

[spiegel549]

Great, so we established don't go for the Kiss the second I see her but work into it when the times right. (since we already mauled each other) it shouldn't be hard to get into it again...I agree to not wait until the end, but at first I gotta get her thinking "hmmm why didn't he want to Kiss me?"

One thing I am over thinking about is having her confirm the date. When I left off on the phone with her I told her to send me her address when she gets the chance and that I will talk to her Wednesday. Obviously she can still reach out tomorrow and say "hey heres the address cya tonight!

But to finally jam this in my head if SHE WANTS to go on this date, SHE WILL remember, and reach out to confirm with me, I mean come on your in college, if you can't remember a set date from 1 day 1/2 ago with someone you like then she needs to be NEXTED!

But say she is shy, has a odd way of not confirming but is interested...say 6:30 rolls around and I get no contact from her...I know these rules are in place for a reason but could a simple "Hey I am on my way in about 30 minutes, whats your address?" hurt???

Final thoughts on this please.

EDIT If this adds to anything, the girl is 19.

 

[omega05]

I think it's OK to say "I'm headed down in 15, want to confirm we are still on?" Not sure how that is a sucker move, shows her you value your time. I've done it a lot did all the girls love it, by then again Im not a major major player like some guys here.

i agree with "I'm headed down in 15" leave out the want to confirm part cuz it still shows uncertainty like you're expecting her to flake

 

[spiegel549]

Hey guys you know one last thing....the don't make another date on a date rule Can someone give me better details on that please?

Say the date ends well, I am dropping her off at home, do I say "i had a good time with you, ill give you a call to go out again soon."

I mean whats a good one liner to leave her waiting for me to call her?

 

[yuppaz]

Harry and vagina guy gave some great advice...go with that

 

[spiegel549]

She called and canceled but counter offered..how to play it?

Date was set up for tonight. and I got a 9am call from her while driving to work. I answered..

Me: Hola Nicole como estas? (hello how are you)
Her: Hola Tom muy bien y tu?
Me: I'm great but thats all the spanish I know so don't ask me anything else in spanish.
Her: haha okay, you are very good at it!
Me: So whats up?
Her: You are going to hate me....but I can't go out with you tonight...
Me: Okay no problem, why whats up?
Her: My friend that was suppose to come over he...err she was suppose to come in on the train last night but she is coming tonight instead..
Me: Okay maybe another time (about ready to end the call)
Her: But! any other day this week pick a day and I will come see you!
Me: Well I am really busy the rest of the week...I have a lot of plans, but hmmm...the only day I can do is Thursday, are you free?
Her: Thursday I usually go out with my girlfriends but I want to go out with you instead!
Me: Okay what time are you out of class?
Her: 330.....
Me: Okay ill pick you up at 430..
Her: Okay great! I am really looking forward to this!
Me: Yeah we will have fun, have a good time with your friend, see you tomorrow at 430.
Her: Ok Tom have a great day!
Me: You too, bye.


1.) When she canceled I could of SWORN she said her friend HE and then briefly corrected to SHE...I know I heard HE at first...now maybe he/she is a legit friend, she isn't my girl in anyway so who cares right? So some other guy is laying pipe with her maybe...she isn't my girl, but what do you think?

2.) She canceled but then counter offered...what do you think of how I handled the overall situation??

**I was smooth as silk while talking, calm, cool, and when she canceled really played off that I might not be able to see her until next week, but I threw thursday out there.