I can't help it, but everytime I read Ross' patterns it doesn't sit well with me. I like every other techniques to improve my game but this patterning stuff sounds so cheesy to me. They sound so unnatural in conversation. When I read a pattern, I can't help but imagine myself dangling a chain watch over some unsuspecting girl's eyes.... "imagine this, picture that, how does it make you feel, take those feeling.. associate it with me, I'll snap my finger, and you will be mine." I don't know but this stuff makes me feel like a weasel. Other gurus is about improving yourself and using techniques that can help project these qualities (funny, confident, charming, higher value, alphaness, mysterous, and sexual) and it's something you would love to developed because it's what will make you a great guy, a man of pride. But Ross's patterning stuff makes me feel so conniving, like I don't have anything else to offer to this girl so I have to brainwash her. And girls actually fall for this stuff? I really don't care if people use patterning (good for you) but for me, Ross' patterns makes me wanna puke.
Ross Jeffries' patterning makes me wanna puke.
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I agree with every word! I hate Ross Jeffries and I've had bad experiences with his patterns. I think he's a lying and sleazy little snake and anyone who follows his teachings risk becoming just like him!
I've always prided myself on being a man and having integrity, but I tried using his patterns last year and a girl actually accused me of being "creepy" and "slimy". She was right and I refuse to use any of these patterns or techniques again.
"1. Congruent with the conversation you are holding
2. A feeling or passion that you genuinely have, that you can portray so vividly that the women KNOWS that you are not a fake."
These are good points. But even if you do have both of those points down, if she doesn't want to bang you...she STILL isn't going to want to bang you even after you've made her 'visualize it'.
I've been forced to visualize what it would be like to bang a fat chick before, but it certainly didn't make me WANT to bang her.
I'm all about helping a woman use all of her senses to highten the experience, but the bottom line is that if she doesn't want to bang you before the pattern, she won't want to bang you after the pattern.
Ross Jefferies is succsessful because he's selling HOPE to old dudes who perceive that they are too ugly to land a chick without this shyt. The old dudes go out there and at least put their faith in SOMETHING (the patterns; even though it should be faith in themselves), and they get laid and attribute it all to the 'patterns'. What they didn't realize is that would have got laid ANYWAY without the patterns if they just had faith in their own ability to act like a human being.
-Blitz
2. A feeling or passion that you genuinely have, that you can portray so vividly that the women KNOWS that you are not a fake."
These are good points. But even if you do have both of those points down, if she doesn't want to bang you...she STILL isn't going to want to bang you even after you've made her 'visualize it'.
I've been forced to visualize what it would be like to bang a fat chick before, but it certainly didn't make me WANT to bang her.
I'm all about helping a woman use all of her senses to highten the experience, but the bottom line is that if she doesn't want to bang you before the pattern, she won't want to bang you after the pattern.
Ross Jefferies is succsessful because he's selling HOPE to old dudes who perceive that they are too ugly to land a chick without this shyt. The old dudes go out there and at least put their faith in SOMETHING (the patterns; even though it should be faith in themselves), and they get laid and attribute it all to the 'patterns'. What they didn't realize is that would have got laid ANYWAY without the patterns if they just had faith in their own ability to act like a human being.
-Blitz
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I'm not critiquing Jeffries or anyone else, but here is another thing to keep in mind:
The more guys there are who use the Ross Jeffries patterns, the more recognizable they'll become. Yeah, yeah, I know, supposedly only 1% of the population knows about this, but these ideas tend to catch on.
Let's say that you have a steady girlfriend that you met one year ago using these patterns. Now suppose that she somehow stumbles across (or is shown) the Ross Jeffries patterns. Well, guess what? She'll remember how "romantic" you were when you were asking her to describe her most horny moment or whatever and she'll know exactly what you pulled on her.
I agree with those that see the dangers in this. Just be the man that your woman wants, then "patterns" will take care of themselves.
The more guys there are who use the Ross Jeffries patterns, the more recognizable they'll become. Yeah, yeah, I know, supposedly only 1% of the population knows about this, but these ideas tend to catch on.
Let's say that you have a steady girlfriend that you met one year ago using these patterns. Now suppose that she somehow stumbles across (or is shown) the Ross Jeffries patterns. Well, guess what? She'll remember how "romantic" you were when you were asking her to describe her most horny moment or whatever and she'll know exactly what you pulled on her.
I agree with those that see the dangers in this. Just be the man that your woman wants, then "patterns" will take care of themselves.
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Ive tried the patterns and they actually work....
You just got to set the tone.
You just got to set the tone.
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why dont you guys just take your positions and natural roles as the dominant male, and stop this dumb shyt, fvck it, I am done with you azzholes, keep going around in circles, why cant you just be the damn dominant male and stop treating women like they are a chemistry lab experiment.
Cardio, I think very few men actually are capable of the alpha mindset. I really do think that it is a behaviour that is learned early in life.
I try to show my friends how to display alpha or dominant characteristics and they just dont get it. The guys that this works for are the guys who are naturally alpha around their male friends but wuss up around women because of social conditioning. These guys can display dominance and run very natural game because they know they are on top of the situation.
The guys who are naturally beta around their male friends generally have better luck with the nerdier side of seduction... routines, patterns, NLP.
I try to show my friends how to display alpha or dominant characteristics and they just dont get it. The guys that this works for are the guys who are naturally alpha around their male friends but wuss up around women because of social conditioning. These guys can display dominance and run very natural game because they know they are on top of the situation.
The guys who are naturally beta around their male friends generally have better luck with the nerdier side of seduction... routines, patterns, NLP.
I think Ross Jefferies is totally creepy, and I can never picture myself saying the things he says. It would be totally out of left field considering my personality. It reminds me of wedding crashers, where the one guy says "They say we only use 10% of our brains... but I think we only use 10% of our hearts" I can't imagine myself being sincerely that corny.
Besides, after reading his advice to cry in order to seduce a girl into pity fvcking you, I lost all my respect for him. (I can't find an example, because "cry" is too short to search for and I don't feel like going through 100 posts to prove my point)
But I have realized that people will naturally pattern speeches from time to time. Once, my ex-GF trying to get me back after cheating told me "Don't think about the last two weeks... think about before that. When we met. When we were so much in love. Do you remember when we laughed our way through that movie, making fun of it, and then went home to bed and stayed up all night, and I was yours. Remember how good that felt?" while slowly getting closer and touching me and all of a sudden I did have an urge to kiss her, to go back to that. Then my logic took over, and I told her "sorry, you had your chance for that" and left. Later, she texted me saying "I guess you didn't feel anything... have a good life then" and I realized that she was patterning me! Only it didn't work, because I follow my logic over my emotions and I had already rationalized why I would not give her another chance, no matter how I felt. If it's true girls are more emotional, I can see how easily that might seduce a girl.
The point of pattern is just to elicit certain emotions with your words. Well, a smooth talker should be able to do that without memorizing a corny speech that makes you sound like a hypnotist, if that's what floats your boat. If you really think about it you can even probably come up with an example of where you unintentionally "patterned".
Besides, after reading his advice to cry in order to seduce a girl into pity fvcking you, I lost all my respect for him. (I can't find an example, because "cry" is too short to search for and I don't feel like going through 100 posts to prove my point)
But I have realized that people will naturally pattern speeches from time to time. Once, my ex-GF trying to get me back after cheating told me "Don't think about the last two weeks... think about before that. When we met. When we were so much in love. Do you remember when we laughed our way through that movie, making fun of it, and then went home to bed and stayed up all night, and I was yours. Remember how good that felt?" while slowly getting closer and touching me and all of a sudden I did have an urge to kiss her, to go back to that. Then my logic took over, and I told her "sorry, you had your chance for that" and left. Later, she texted me saying "I guess you didn't feel anything... have a good life then" and I realized that she was patterning me! Only it didn't work, because I follow my logic over my emotions and I had already rationalized why I would not give her another chance, no matter how I felt. If it's true girls are more emotional, I can see how easily that might seduce a girl.
The point of pattern is just to elicit certain emotions with your words. Well, a smooth talker should be able to do that without memorizing a corny speech that makes you sound like a hypnotist, if that's what floats your boat. If you really think about it you can even probably come up with an example of where you unintentionally "patterned".