Rich, decent looking, nervous, social retard (long)

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I'd like to say hi to the community, I'm a new member and I hope to be a Don Juan some day. This is my about me post.

The problem:
I usually feel really awkward in social situations -- I often get to the point where I become extremely shy and my voice starts to barely work properly from all the anxiety and self-consciousness; being in a loud environment really makes the problem worse since my already weakened voice becomes basically unintelligble. I can remember the time I was 14 and went out with 4 girls for a casual night at the mall and I literally turned in to a mute -- not saying a word for hours. It's not that bad anymore, but I still have to fight whatever it is that's going on inside my head.

Honestly, I alwasy feel that if I could only get my voice and anxiety together, I could solve all my social problems. If only it was that easy, who knows what sort of psychological hole I have dug myself in to.

About me:
I'm 26, 6 ft, 170 pounds. I think I'm decent looking, no worse than a 7. I turned my life around at the age of 16, I mastered the SAT, went to an elite college, and graduated with honors. I travelled, then set up my own business which has been going strong for 3 years now. I make 6 figures, drive a hot 2006 car, and have a 4 bedroom house all to myself. I'll probably have a million bucks by my early thirties.

Sexual history: I haven't been a total failure with women. And when I list my experience, I may sound like I'm not doing that bad. But I get so anxious and withdrawn that I know I haven't reached my potential, I'm just too socially retarded.

At 14, a 13 year old girl got infatuated with me thinking I was a cute rebel, we became official I guess, she said she loved me, and she told me on the phone she wanted me to fvck her. But I always clammed up to the extreme when around her and her friends as usual so nothing came of it, even though I was a horny bastard eager to lose my virginity. At 16, I almost had a one night stand with a hot girl -- she tried a BJ on me, though I was too drunk and nervous to get hard, let alone fvck her, though we tried that too. Over the years there were a few makeout sessions here and there when drunk, but nothing too exciting. And after I focused on school from the age of 16, I became especially socially retarded.

I was a virgin until I was 21, when I happened to get a serious girlfriend in college by circumstance. I broke up with her, and at 22 I found a horny (kinda ugly) girl on the internet; she turned out to be a great fvck buddy, she'd do anything you'd find in a porno, yes, she even liked that. She had stuff on her computer I wouldn't download for fear of somebody finding out about it. She always told me I'd never find a girl as horny as she.

After a few months of this I went travelling in Asia, and I got to experience life as a mini-DJ -- 4 girls in one month, even fvcked 2 girls in one 24 hour period -- but it's not very hard for a decent looking young foreigner to be successful in Asia. And no, these weren't prostitutes, most of the time I did 50/50 on all expenses with them. I found a great girl -- innocent, nurse with a car -- who eventually fell in love with me and was on my couch ready to fvck, but I knew I was just having fun and I didn't want to ruin her, so I made us just be friends and never did the deed. I've had an Asian girlfriend for the past 3 years as I lived in Asia, she's got a model's body, but we're not soul mates or anything, and it's an economic relationship since she's also my full time assistant for my business.

Now:
But here I am, back in the US, and I'm a big loner who'd like to have an exciting social life and lots of girls. I still get turned in to a nervous wreck in lots of social situations. My voice is just fine when I don't think about, or am talking to just one or two people in a quiet environment. But if the social situation is more than that, I start to get so self-conscious and my voice gets horrible again, not to mention the anxiety.

I saw them talking about Neil Strauss's book on Current TV, so I ordered it and read it. That was 2-3 weeks ago, I've been in to this stuff ever since.

I've been reading "Feel the fear and do it anyway", "Double your dating", "The Book of Pook", and on the way I have books on voice, body language, and other good stuff.

I'm starting to work out seriously again. I am shooting to put on 10 pounds of muscle in the next couple of months. I'm eating as much as I can, drinking a daily protein shake, and taking creatine.

I'm flirting with easy targets. Basically girls behind the counter who have to talk to me. I think I'm coming off as a pretty attractive guy, but I haven't moved past just a few lines of chat. I think the next thing I need to do is continue the talk, "build rapport" as they say, and try for number closes. This would be a brand new world for me. Just knowing that there are guys out there who aren't naturals who have learned these skills is enough to help me do it.

I'm taking community education classes and they look to be excellent places to at least get more socially comfortable. Oh my god, you guys have to try dancing classes. I'm taking Salsa. Let me tell you about the math here. 20 girls, 10 guys, and all of the other guys are there with their wifes/girlfriends. So I'm the only single guy with 10 girls who are basically forced to dance with me. There's a 9 and a 7, then the rest of the girls I wouldn't go for cause I think they're not too attractive, but I'm sure they'd be pretty easy to date. Of course, the only girl I'm interested in is the one hot girl, maybe that's another reason I don't have much success.

Well, if you've read this far, let me say thank you for your attention. I hope to give more posts of progress over time.
 
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Welcome to sosuave!

Cool idea about the salsa thing, am more of a urban style guy. Doen't salsa kind of mature? Anyway, you should read Mystery Method Venusian Arts Handbook. Its great.
 

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Thanks Analytic. Yeah, I tried to take the hip hop class but it was full so I took this one, turned out ok.

And I'm enjoying your thread man, keep it up. I can relate a lot more to your thread -- walking around by yourself on a campus -- than to a journal from somebody with wings walking around a night club with a playbook as if he could write an ebook himself.
 

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Join Toastmasters. Practice speeches in a mirror if you have to. If you find a passage in a book you like, read it out loud, savor that self-conciousness, that fear that somebody will hear you talking to yourself. Just wrench that stuff out of your mind.
 

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First email/number close attempt

Today I tried for an email/number close. This is the first time I've ever just walked up to a girl and tried to get her contact info within a few minutes. And the rare times when I would have tried to be this forward (though I never went right for the contact info) I was always drunk.

I had to go to another city today, so I thought it'd be a good time to try to approach girls. After all, this was far away, and I wouldn't bump into any of these people again. I put on some good clothes and looked pretty sharp.

I drove by a mall and decided to stop by there to approach a girl. I was also kinda looking for a jacket because it's getting cold around here. I was walking around and eventually saw a hot girl working at a cart, she was the sexiest girl in the mall that I saw. So I swooped back around, here's basically what went down, we were both smiling and laughing the whole time:

PJD: Hi, what do you sell here?
HB: Shirts
PJD: Oh, it's hard to see what you're selling, they're all twisted in to tubes.
HB: (Laughs) (Pulls out a shirt to show me and asks me what I'd like)
PJD: Well, show me what's good.
HB: (Unravels a shirt and shows me)
PJD: (It's obviously only chick shirts here) I don't think that'd fit me, I need something bigger.
HB: (Laughs) Who are you shopping for?
PJD: I need something for a size small girl, but, uh, "well-proportioned" (I might as well look for a shirt for my girlfriend back in Asia, and she has very large breasts for her body; also, chicks dig guys who know girls and go to the mall to buy stuff for them)
HB: (She starts to kind of model the shirt for me, indicating by pulling it around here breast area that it would fit the girl fine. Then she pulls up her outter shirt to show me how the shirt underneath fits for comparison purposes)
PJD: Whoa, I just met you and you're already showing me everything!
HB: (Laughs)
PJD: Yeah, that shirts good, I'll take the pink. Show me that shirt on you. (just being confident and the boss)
HB: (she models it for me) Is that all for you?
PJD: (I'm thinking I want to ask her for her info now) Well, what else do you have? (trying to insinuate more, but I doubt she picked up on it)
HB: (Showed me some more shirts) Do you like pink?
PJD: Well, I hate pink, but it's her favorite color. I think just the one shirt is fine.
HB: (Ringing me up)
PJD: You're not a bad saleswoman.
HB: I'm an excellent saleswoman.
PJD: I could use you in my business. (I normally would never be this cheesy, but I know it is effective in demonstating value)
HB: Oh, what is your business?
PJD: I sell widgets, like this (sorry guys, I'm paranoid, and want to keep my business private)
HB: Oh, that's cool!
PJD: It's cool? But it looks so ... (sorry, paranoid me, I'm paraphrasing the discussion. but i was basically just teasing her)
HB: blah blah blah
PJD: Maybe some day you'll be the owner of this place (I gestured at her cart). It'll be called, what's your name?
HB: HB
PJD: It'll be called "HB Shapes"
HB: (giggling)
PJD: This will be your card. (I pick up the store business card) Does it have your name on it?
HB: no
PJD: Oh, that's too bad. Here, write your email.
HB: I don't have an email
PJD: What?? What year is it? You still don't have an email??
HB: blah blah, but then starts writing something down on the card (I was aware that I had actually gotten this hot chick to give me her email address. holy ****! this is a monumental moment)
PJD: I mean, c'mon, how old are you? 20? And you don't have an email?
HB: 17
PJD: Oh! I don't want your email. (Ok, that was my first impression when I found out her age. I'm not gonna pursue anything with a 17 year old. Also, I thought it might make me look good acting like I didn't want her info. But I still wanted her info as a notch in my belt, and it sounded like an email address wasn't of much use anyway. She crumbled up that card)
PJD: I want your phone number. (the flow was already off, but maybe she'd give me credit for having the balls to ask her and she'd still give it to me anyway)
HB: But I have to share a phone line with my sister. (since she's only 17, and this is a country kind of area, that seemed plausible)
PJD: It's ok, I'll only call you 9 times a day! (I remembered this line from Deangelo's book)

We laughed, I took my stuff and walked away. She was just 17, I wasn't gonna push anymore.

Well, I was really stoked for about 15 minutes after this incident. A random hot chick of my choosing was actually gonna give me her email address!

But, then I started thinking, hmm, she said she didn't have an email address. So what was she writing down? Maybe she really did have one and I got through her resistance when I started teasing her? Or maybe she was just writing down something random to make me go away? So my buzz went down after thinking about this.

But whatever, you gotta practice, and this is certainly progress for me. I still am sticking with the easy targets of counter girls who have to talk to me. But it's a great chance to flirt with a girl indirectly, since you can both go through the guise that it's just a customer/retailer relationship. I'm going to branch out more.
 

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Espi: I appreciate the advice. I've read a few of your posts on other threads. I currently live in a particularly conservative, religious, country kind of area, so the night life is lacking to say the least. However, I'm only about 4-5 hours from Vegas, and I know how to work the casinos to give me free rooms and food and stuff, so I may go out there often. I could also drink without having to worry about how I'm gonna get home.

The trick I learned is to play video poker machines that have mathematical paybacks of 99.5%+ with perfect play. You can play these for a couple hours with very little mathematical cost, but the casino thinks you're a slot machine chump and they comp you with free rooms and other stuff in the mail all the time. For a while I thought about being a professional gambler.

Phyzzle: That's a great idea. I will look in to that, but I do not know if they have any meetings around here.
 

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I don't know why it is like this but here in Australia if you want to allure the pretty white girls you have to have a few things going for you.

(1) You need to be very confident (2) at least a 7 out of 10 in your good looks (3) wear trendy clothes (4) speak in a very deep Aussie type male voice (5) be very popular amongst the other more attractive woman (6) have a highly paid job (7) appear to be a cool dude.

Unless you have at least six of these seven things going for you, it will be almost impossible for you to allure a gorgeous white babe in this country.

Many white dudes here discover that they are much better off in the Asian countries if they are in the wussism wimpism and loserism category in this country.

I don't know why it is, but I know many white Australian dudes who find it almost impossible to attain a pretty white Aussie babe to be their wives, yet they manage to succeed in the alluring of an attractive Asian girl from another country, who remains faithful to them when they bring them back here and marry.

The only way that you can allure a pretty white lady in this country and be a wuss at the same time is if you can obtain an extremely high celebrity type status, like, Jason Smith, who I have mentioned in another post, otherwise you can forget about it.

The standards that the more classy glamourous gorgeous white babes expect from even the better looking and successfully employed white dudes to aspire to in their attempts to successfully allure them is nothing short of amazing.

You have to be almost perfect in every way, it is extremely important that you make an honest assessment of all your weaknesses and shortcomings.

Then you have to work exceptionally hard on all of these things that are keeping these hot babes away from you.

If you don't speak in a deep tone of voice then you must immediately train yourself to do this, it is not easy, but it can and has to be done.

Then you must buy yourself a new wardrobe of trendy clothing, shirts that make you look great and pants that are the fashion of the day.

You must appear to be extremely confident at all times, you need to be very bold, as well as charismatic, if you are not, then you have to immediately train yourself to become like this.

It is very sad that you cannot just be a great guy anymore, but it is well worth the effort when the rewards start to come.

I think that the situation is very much the same in the USA and the UK as it is here in Australia now.

Unless you can elevate yourself into a celebrity type status you cannot get away with being a dorky goofy wussy type of a guy, otherwise you had better make the quick trip to Asia where you may have some better luck. :yes:
 

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Oct 12 update:

I number closed a HB7.5 at the mall! I'll get to that in a bit, let me go over the other news.

I've been working on my voice, and I can tell I'm getting a better feel for it. I'm going to start talking to a speech therapist soon. My particular problem, I think, is that I try to speak in too low of a voice, my breathing isn't good, and I speak with my throat too much.

I'm bulking up. I've put on a solid 7 pounds and I look buffer.

I'm going back to read "The Game" for some motivation.

I push myself to socialize more, with a playful, confident attitude. I actively flirt with any girls I talk to.

I've now attempted 3 closes. The first I wrote about, where she was 17 and I think she was gonna give me her email address. I did the other two today.

Close attempt #2: A HB9 working at a nice department store cologne department. It was hard to get it out of just talking about cologne stuff. But I made her laugh quite a bit. I could feel it wasn't a big connection, but I figured I might as well try. She apparently didn't have a myspace address, and no email address, I didn't try for a phone number. I probably would have had a better chance if I actually bought some cologne after all that time she took talking to me, but I wasn't gonna blow $70 just for that. Oh well, I see it all as practice.

Close attempt #3:
This is why I went to that mall today. There was nothing I had to buy, but I thought I had a chance with this girl and today would be a good time to go for it. It was pretty exciting, and I could feel myself shaking a little on the drive over there.

This is a HB7.5 that works at a cell phone accessory booth that I talked to two other times I went to this mall. I had her laughing both times when I was acting like she was the mall information lady yet she couldn't help me find basic stuff, like where to get a haircut.

Today, I walked towards her at her booth. She recognized me, smiled and said hi.
I opened with "Hey, are you stalking me? Every time I'm here you're here." I came up with this and first used it on a counter girl at my gym. She asked me why I was there, maybe she had a feeling that I only came to talk to her (which is true). But I had just got back from the cologne counter experience, so I said that I came to look for cologne. Then I had her smell my arm.

We then just talked. I had her laughing almost the whole time.

It was all spontaneous conversation, except I did use my first PUA conversational topic. I said my friend just got two dogs, a boy and a girl, and what did she think were good names. Adam & Eve? Justin and Britney? She thought this was fun, and came up with Britney and Devon (or whatever his name is) and Jessica and Nick. I think it's good to have these little things ready so you can bring them up and keep the conversation great and fun. I'm gonna learn more.

She said her sister works at a haircut place. I used this as an excuse to get HB7.5's name, I said so I could bring it up and get a free haircut.

She said her job is boring, I said it must be since she's only there to wait for me to show up and I only come once a week.

She asked what I do, and this is always a great sign since I can then bring up that I own my own business. This is my best DHV I think, though I want to work on this and other DHV's. With the hot girl at the department store I never DHV, and that would have been useful, since just based on looks, she was out of my league.

After what was probably 10 minutes of talking, I said "I have to go, but how can we continue this conversation". I then asked her for her email address. She asked me if I would remember, I guess she thought I wanted her to just say it to me. I told her to write it down. And she did! As she finished writing it down, I told her to write down her phone number too (a common PUA tactic I've read about, it's in DD's book, and maybe The Game). And she wrote her number down too! I took the info and walked away with a salutation.

Needless to say, I was stoked. It's Thursday now, so I'm gonna have to wait the weekend out. I'll call her on Monday and set up a date for Friday.

I never really thought it'd be possible to get numbers from girls you meet out there like this. I thought it was basically some sort of coincidence between drunk people that allowed party hookups to work. Or other general circumstances, or family/friend relationships. But now I see that you can actually look for attractive women, and work it to set up a date.
 

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PJD said:
Espi: The trick I learned is to play video poker machines that have mathematical paybacks of 99.5%+ with perfect play. You can play these for a couple hours with very little mathematical cost, but the casino thinks you're a slot machine chump and they comp you with free rooms and other stuff in the mail all the time.
I work in Casino's and your right on the money with that machine choice. The Comp points on those machines are for the most part double other machines. Sounds like you know your Casinos.
 

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To me you appear to be fine. Just polish everything and itll be alright.
 

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why do so many guys claim to be rich? it immediately sends off alarm bells....

not to mention the fact of the discrepancy of: if you're rich, what the heck are you doing here?!

i'm sure there's LOTS of great, professional help!!! if you're rich, get neil strauss or mystery to be your personal consultants! or take one of their classes! etc etc etc!

sorry but there are just so many sad pathetic people who come here and claim to be rich... so much so that if you claim it, you should somehow have to offer proof.

but barring that - since you mentioned it - and since like all the other phonies, you claim to be young and self made rich - in other words, since you broached the topic - HOW DID YOU GET RICH?

what did you do? last guy claimed FOREX... what's your story. make it good.

delta

p.s. who the f goes around saying "i'm rich" anyway?! sure, "drive a nice car, have a good house," etc... fine... but "rich".... that just SOUNDS phony....
 

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(1) You need to be very confident (2) at least a 7 out of 10 in your good looks (3) wear trendy clothes (4) speak in a very deep Aussie type male voice (5) be very popular amongst the other more attractive woman (6) have a highly paid job (7) appear to be a cool dude.

Unless you have at least six of these seven things going for you, it will be almost impossible for you to allure a gorgeous white babe in this country.
I used to think those things, but as I've matured I've found that's the outside 'fake' things and if you can get her to be truthful with herself she'll see those things really don't matter in the end. Any man can get any girl, its not easy to break through social shields but its possible.

Black can get white, white can get azn, azn can get black, rich can get poor, old can get young, fat can get ugly, ugly can get cute ect... I've been with old, young, white, black, azn, fat, kinda ugly ect... if you can talk to the real person everything else fades away.

At the core of everything is one person who wishes to feel affection, understanding, and trust from another person. She or he may THINK he desires white, black, model, $$$, but if you can figure out the 'game' to show them the fakeness you can get anyone.


-Cod3r
 

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what did you do? last guy claimed FOREX... what's your story. make it good.
I trade FX and let's just say that's not an 'easy' way to make money. Let's not discuss how rich I WOULD be if I could have those wasted funds back. ::Cries himself to sleep::


-Cod3r
 

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Delta said:
why do so many guys claim to be rich? it immediately sends off alarm bells....

not to mention the fact of the discrepancy of: if you're rich, what the heck are you doing here?!

i'm sure there's LOTS of great, professional help!!! if you're rich, get neil strauss or mystery to be your personal consultants! or take one of their classes! etc etc etc!

sorry but there are just so many sad pathetic people who come here and claim to be rich... so much so that if you claim it, you should somehow have to offer proof.

but barring that - since you mentioned it - and since like all the other phonies, you claim to be young and self made rich - in other words, since you broached the topic - HOW DID YOU GET RICH?

what did you do? last guy claimed FOREX... what's your story. make it good.

delta

p.s. who the f goes around saying "i'm rich" anyway?! sure, "drive a nice car, have a good house," etc... fine... but "rich".... that just SOUNDS phony....
Alrighty then, if you want to be VIOLENTLY skeptical of this aspect of me, that's your choice, and really your problem if you're so hung up about it. Were you drunk when you wrote this? Assume for a second that everything I've written is true . . . . you sure come off like a big a$$.

I certainly have nothing to prove in this regard.

I brought it up since it is pertinent to my situation, and in particular, it's interesting how I am financially successful yet not terribly socially successful.
 

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not drunk. and not violently anything.

sorry... but there have been several guys in the pretty recent past that - for some reason or another - got their rocks off from claiming they were rich.

i don't get it, i don't understand it, it's sad really.

you're getting the resultant skepticism. just trying to nip this in the bud.

not fair. but that's just the zeitgeist eh?

you don't have anything to prove. you really don't. no sarcasm meant either. but like in a court case, you brought it up, so it's fair game now.

so spill it daddy warbucks, how did you make your big fortune? and yeah, i can imagine how much of an a$$ i might seem to you if you're legit... but imagine it from my side - after the other phonies, why in the world would i even give you the benefit of the doubt? (conversely, you can choose to just ignore me)

this site certainly seems to be a honeypot to young, self made rich kids....

also, there really IS a legitimate discrepancy here. if you're rich, you have MEANS. you have RESOURCES. WTF ARE YOU DOING HERE?! seriously, i don't say that to be mean, i don't say that trying to make you leave, but seriously dude, if you really are rich, you've got better options for help! professional therapists and sex surrogates (legal with psych referral and they help you deal with your issues) and all kinds of stuff.

cod3r: yah, that's why the other guy was dangerous. he was talking about making big money in forex without even the tv disclaimers about how "results are not typical".

but i'm not joking about the saying that you're rich thing - that sounds fake because it's just so tremendously gauche. seriously, WHO SAYS THAT?!

so again, sorry - i don't mean to be a jerk to you. but look at it from my side - your story just don't add up. and again, you're right, you've got nothing to prove to me (and it follows that i've got no obligation to believe you) so ignore me if you so choose.

delta
 

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Espi said:
Congrats on the phone close.

Don't wait till Monday. Call her today. Start making contact ASAP. Ask her out for coffee this weekend...of course, you're busy (wink wink), but you can meet her for an hour, on your way to a party.
That's what I want to do Espi. But what about the idea of waiting a bit so I don't sound desperate?

I do think calling on Monday for a date on Friday is too slow.

I don't think I could call her up today and set a quick date for Saturday because that'd be too quick. And I couldn't set it for Sunday because this is Utah and she may be Mormon (I'm not).

I was thinking I'd call her up Saturday morning and set a lunch date for Monday or Tuesday. Then we could do a more formal thing on Friday.
 

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man...forget all of that...get a nice clean outfit...maybe a wingman, go to a bar, and get drunk...they will flock to you, and you'll be buzzin so hard you won't care what you say..BUT IT'S OKAY!!!! YOUR DRUNK!!!

After that you'll know what flies and what doesn't...be you most of all
 

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MRLEGEND said:
man...forget all of that...get a nice clean outfit...maybe a wingman, go to a bar, and get drunk...they will flock to you, and you'll be buzzin so hard you won't care what you say..BUT IT'S OKAY!!!! YOUR DRUNK!!!

After that you'll know what flies and what doesn't...be you most of all
LOL, I like this philosophy.

This is Utah, so the bar scene is literally worse than anywhere else in the country. The few places that serve alcohol are officially "clubs" and you have to get a "membership" to get in -- state law. All beer sold cannot be higher than 3.25% by law, and liquor is only sold in the few state liquor stores. Is this America??

I'm moving to Vegas in a couple of months though, so it'll be a much better scene. I hope to meet up with other guys working on the PUA thing.
 

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PJD hows the sarge going now?
 
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