Revolution in Egypt

[Quiksilver]

Good. We need revolution in every god damn country out there, from Cuba to United States, it's parasites at the helm and people who suffer under them. Forget about tyranny in North Korea, you can actually see there is tyranny, it's places like United States, Canada, and Europe, where real tyranny is masquerading under the cloak of freedom. North Korea don't actually blows the f*ck out of banana republics there over the I don't give a f*ck mountain. Revolution, to hell with governments, and in their place the original United States constitution.

Answer to 1984 is 1776.


I can't actually wait for the day when we storm and take FOX and CNN and put the truth beat on. :rockon:

I would actually say that the corporate governance structure that is growing in the West is the revolution, and that any who resist it (such as yourself) are counter-revolutionaries.

Nothing wrong with governments, however scrutinize anyone with power over your life very carefully.

 

[DJ Logic]

Damn Quiksilver, you are always on point!

We need to be wary of EVERYTHING. Investigate the facts for ourselves and weigh them carefully. Take it all with heaps of salt and reach an educated conclusion or run the risk of being programmed

On that note: It seems that despite the fact that the US helped set up the regime in Cairo and considered Mubarak an ally, they are secretly fueling the revolution:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...acking-for-rebel-leaders-behind-uprising.html

The plot thickens...

 

[Drdeee]

Ya I'd say I'm counter revolutionary. I'm constitutionalist. But anyway, news is developing, let's devour it.


1. In Egypt Eyewitnesses say state sponsoring vandalism.


2. Egypt Uprising is US-UK Destabilization Campaign


3. Omar Suleiman: CIA’s Point Man in Egypt


4. So how do you shut off a whole nation’s Internet?

 

[Bible_Belt]

Iran used to be as friendly to the US as Egypt. Then they had a revolution. Whenever that happens, the people elect religious fundamentalists who hate the US. Then they stop having elections, or at least real ones.

The new government of Egypt is almost certainly going to seize the Suez Canal. It has happened before:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis

Then the US and Israel will have no choice but to invade, and will obviously prevail on any sort of traditional military battlefield only to suffer through a long and difficult occupation. Of course, the Islamic fanatics know all of this, but they don't care. They just want as much war as possible and a chance to die for Mohammed.

All the people on this thread who say they don't care obviously must never buy anything derived from oil, shipped with gas or diesel, or anything that travels through the Suez Canal. Because unless the CIA can work its magic and find a friendly puppet regime, the price of gas is going to double.

 

[JustLurk]

Iran used to be as friendly to the US as Egypt. Then they had a revolution. Whenever that happens, the people elect religious fundamentalists who hate the US. Then they stop having elections, or at least real ones.

The new government of Egypt is almost certainly going to seize the Suez Canal. It has happened before:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis

Then the US and Israel will have no choice but to invade, and will obviously prevail on any sort of traditional military battlefield only to suffer through a long and difficult occupation. Of course, the Islamic fanatics know all of this, but they don't care. They just want as much war as possible and a chance to die for Mohammed.

All the people on this thread who say they don't care obviously must never buy anything derived from oil, shipped with gas or diesel, or anything that travels through the Suez Canal. Because unless the CIA can work its magic and find a friendly puppet regime, the price of gas is going to double.

Not necessarily. While there is still argument about the situation, it's still possible that the MB faction stays as a faction within a democratic government... for now. And that's enough room for American to clean up.
While some argue that the MB will fill the gap because it is a cohesive, organized structure, and possibly the only one that will be left after this, it's also possible that the majority of Egypt (Not all the protesters, or not even most of the protesters, are MB. In fact, MB prohibited members from joining the first protests. Protesters are mostly NOT MB.) will keep control.
Of course, the third (Likely) possibility is that this revolution fails, and is stomped out. This is still likely, btw. It mostly hinges on whether the military will fully take a side, I think.

 

[synergy1]

All the people on this thread who say they don't care obviously must never buy anything derived from oil, shipped with gas or diesel, or anything that travels through the Suez Canal. Because unless the CIA can work its magic and find a friendly puppet regime, the price of gas is going to double.

march futures hit 100 USD / bbl, so seeing 4 dollar gas via 2008 is not unrealistic.

For people calling out revolution in the USA, i think chairman Mao said it best when he said , ' revolution isn't a ****tail party, it is a violent insurrection where one class destroys a ruling class'. I wouldn't want a revolution, but if things get bad enough these things happen. Lets hope it never does.

 

[Quiksilver]

Iran used to be as friendly to the US as Egypt. Then they had a revolution. Whenever that happens, the people elect religious fundamentalists who hate the US. Then they stop having elections, or at least real ones.

Mohamed ElBaradei is hardly a religious fundamentalist...

- Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) from 1997 - 2009.

- Nobel Peace Prize laureate, 2005.

- Board of Trustees Member of International Crisis Group.

Whatever he is, he isn't an 'extremist' (whatever that means), and he's been firmly imbedded in the Western power structure (top level ties to UN NGOs and Agencies) since 1995.

I have more questions about ElBaradei (he came out of nowhere) but this is what one can dig up easily.

I do agree with you though that nations must earn democracy and the price is usually the blood of angry citizens. So far national efforts in the Middle East to attain democratic governance has either been set aside in favor of religious dominance or undermined by Western influence. With the credentials of ElBaradei, this has Western influence written all over it, so will reserve my judgement of him.

 

[Julius_Seizeher]

Whoa whoa whoa, chill out guys.

For starters, the fears about the oil supply are entirely unfounded. Only 3% of the world's oil flows through the Suez anyway, so even if they shut it down it's a drop in the bucket. And with the huge surplus of shipping vessels sitting in ports now, there would be only a negligible cost increase to ship that 3% all the way around the cape. The canal accounts for about 5% of Egypt's GDP, so there is no way in hell it is going to get shut down. But even if it does get shut down for some time, it's only the tv stations that are making such a big deal about it. Relax, it's peanuts.

And it is also obvious that the stock market doesn't give two sh!ts about the Egypt situation, which is actually a very good sign for our own economy. It might mean that we have finally gotten away from selling the entire market on the slightest wiff of bad news.

There are many fears about this "contagion" of civilian insurgency spreading to other countries in the area, and that it might "bring the world economy to it's knees", as I actually heard one cheeseball pundit put it. The entire North Africa area accounts for less than 5% of world GDP, so where the hell do these journalists get off making everyone terrified that it's the end of the world?

Also, I would only see a greater risk for the insurgency to spread if it were of a religious nature. But it isn't, Egypt is largely a non-Shi'ite country so we don't have the trouble there that we have in other Islamic countries. If the UN or Western forces otherwise have to step in and put the country back in order, we wouldn't have another religious war on our hands, as Egypt has been a good ally to the West.

Now if a Shi'ite regime asserts itself into their government, we might have a small problem. But remember, the Suez is only a little straw, not the crude oil floodgate to the West that it is being made out to be.

The problems in Egypt are largely a result of escalating food inflation and a permanently unemployed underclass. The food inflation can be blamed on the growth of the BRIC nations and, to an extent, Bernanke dumping American dollars all over the globe.

There's just no good answer for the trouble in Egypt: it's a bunch of people who are sick of being broke and unemployed, not an issue of religious fanaticism or idealogical strife.

Guys, look at the decade we are living in: trouble in the middle east, escalating energy costs, stagnant economy, it's the 1970s all over again. Hopefully we can get through this one without someone pulling a Jimmy Carter on interest rates and inflation...what I'm getting at is, everything happens in cycles, so don't get all swept up in this "end of the world" junk.

 

[DJ Logic]

Interesting points there Julius, I agree with you that we shouldn't be too sensational about this. America has seen far tougher times. Unemployment rate is about 10% now, but during the Great Depression is was 20%, plus our industries were in shambles back then - we didn't have the opportunities we now have to make money quickly. I really do think we can bounce back, but a few things have to change in order for to prevent us from slipping from the 70's to the 30's

• No more bailouts! Do not support the very people who bring economic catastrophe.

• No more foreign labor. Start PRODUCING instead of consuming so much. People should be willing to pay slightly higher prices for good made in this country because that means more jobs for everyone.

• No more fractional reserve banking or fiat currency. Destroy this model of a debt-based economy and have our money actually be worth something, instead of a negative number

• No more borrowing! We cannot afford to keep snowballing our debt. The numbers will never add up! http://www.usdebtclock.org/

If we did those 4 simple things, this country could see a complete turnaround in just a few years. Unfortunately it looks like we are just blindly continuing down the same road and the rift between rich and poor keeps widening.

In fact, I feel it's worth pointing out that the economic imbalance in Egypt is actually not as bad as it is in the US. Income inequality in America is actually far, far worse!

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/31/income-inequality-egypt/

Technically, Americans have more incentive to hit the streets and protest. But we are far too docile and complacent to really do that. We all have to go hungry before that happens. Unless things change we will see that happen sooner than most people want to believe.

I'm still rooting for us and I think we can turn the tide, but we need to do something about these corporate ass-kissers we call leaders.

 

[DJ Logic]

Wow, Danger that's pretty sobering. You have a link for that info?

 

[DJ Logic]

It isn't a revolution in Egypt.

*ahem* http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/Mubarak-Steps-Down-6953

Sorry had to rub it in. I love being right

 

[SamTheHobit]

Im pretty sure if the people in china try and pull this sh!t, They would get shot.

 

[AAAgent]

They already did. Tiananmen Square Massacre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989

 

[DJ Logic]

AAA, props for knowing your history. That particular protest was very poorly organized and had no established leadership or political goals. Also the biggest difference between that and Egypt is that protesters in Cairo were 100% prepared to die if their demands weren't met. If there is anything that no dictator or army can stand up to, it's millions of people with a clear agenda and nothing to lose.

 

[DJ Logic]

Precisely, and they will be rapidly followed by a disenfranchised middle class that will discover all their pensions plundered, and their currency practically worthless. Say goodbye to the dollar as a world reserve standard, the Fed seems pretty bent on running it into the ground. Next stop the Amero, after that prepare for the Bancor, the worlds unifying currency, which is already being minted: http://goo.gl/QwGWR