Remember Elliot Rodger

[GoodOne123]

They could at least be nicer to the guy who loses out. Right, so you aren't attracted to the 'lesser' guy? Fine. At least open your mind and take the initiative to SUGGEST the help for him. None of this getting with your girlfriends and just laying into him. That's what Rodger needed; a zero-BS 'advisor'.

Life isn't fair. The nice guys (i.e guys with no backbone or masculinity) get treated like ****, accept it. Especially by women since they are programmed to respect alphas first.

As for getting free valid constructive advice from strangers without asking? Never happens. If you want that type of advice you either ask for it or seek it out from other sources, like dating coaches etc. You're expecting too much from strangers if you think otherwise.

Considering Eliot Rogers shallow preferences of only approaching the 10/10 hot girls, it's no wonder those girls treated him like ****. Girls like that are seldom nice to the weak beta male. They'd even be mean to the alphas if they really don't like the way they look etc.

The difference is that Eliot Roger was so weak he couldn't handle the rejection like other guys, and spiralled into a pit of darkness. Also, he was too damn stubborn to lower his ridiculously high standards.

 

[Tenacity]

Thugs get women because they are alpha. That type of behaviour appeals to their sexual side. That's why they sleep with them and not the betas like Eliot Roger.

Dude give me a break with these cartoon character labels.

As for blaming women for their basic nature, that's just wrong.

See this is why women keep doing the RETARDED shyt that they are doing, it's guys like you who keep giving them a PASS for the shyt, saying it's just their "nature". WTF does that even mean?

- Prior to the 1970 women's liberation/feminism shyt, you did NOT see women in MASS fvcking deadbeat loser men and having kids with them. It wasn't HAPPENING.

- They would turn 18- 21 and get married to a man with a job, resources, and stability.......and STICK with that motherfvcker for life (or at least damn near life).

What is this "it's their nature" bullshyt? This epidemic of women fvcking BUMS is a relatively NEW thing. This epidemic of women worshipping LOSERS or the "bad boy" is a relatively NEW thing. You did not, I repeat, you did not see this shyt in mass prior to the 1970's. Marriage, families, and Mr. Nice Guy were on top of the world.

 

[Tenacity]

Would you rather be:

1)a guy neglected from his family while living in a rich enviroment of over cuddled bratty kids who got parents all over them pushing their self esteem, basically not allowed to do sh1t but given money while treated as an undesired guest, ignored in his basic human needs and desire and not even allowed to succeed in any battle cause everything was given

2)a guy who doesnt know his father and is just taken care basically from his mother but is free to fight for what he wants with the means he decides untill he manages to cut himself a piece of action and respect while basically being a warrior making his way with fists and bullets

Ummmm....I would rather be NUMBER ONE......lol WTF?

This is what pisses me off with the Manosphere, you guys and your Cartoon Character, fake tough guy, fake Alpha bullshyt. I grew up in fvcked up conditions, there's nothing glorious about that shyt and the vast majority of people in that condition, DO NOT come out of it. Fvck this notion about it teaching you to be "tough", 95% of the people in that condition die in that condition.....many of them before they turn 25 years old.

Is it clear enough while was elliot to go on a killing spree and not jamal and hector?

Jamal and Hector...........go on killing sprees......every fvcking night in the HOOD. Lol, what world are you guys living in? Hellooooo, have you not heard of the fvcked up crime rates in the inner city? Murders, crimes, rapes, and other bullshyt violence through the roof. Jamal and Hector, routinely KILL bytches (some they are dating, some they are not), just like Elliot Rogers did.

Is it clear enough while jamal and hector score ***** while elliot doesnt?

No, what's clear is that this market of women are fvcking Retarded and their retardedness has spread to most men in this market (including most of you guys on this forum) because you come up with insane reasons to excuse the retarded shyt instead of calling it what it is.........retarded shyt.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Dude give me a break with these cartoon character labels.



See this is why women keep doing the RETARDED shyt that they are doing, it's guys like you who keep giving them a PASS for the shyt, saying it's just their "nature". WTF does that even mean?

- Prior to the 1970 women's liberation/feminism shyt, you did NOT see women in MASS fvcking deadbeat loser men and having kids with them. It wasn't HAPPENING.

- They would turn 18- 21 and get married to a man with a job, resources, and stability.......and STICK with that motherfvcker for life (or at least damn near life).

What is this "it's their nature" bullshyt? This epidemic of women fvcking BUMS is a relatively NEW thing. This epidemic of women worshipping LOSERS or the "bad boy" is a relatively NEW thing. You did not, I repeat, you did not see this shyt in mass prior to the 1970's. Marriage, families, and Mr. Nice Guy were on top of the world.

Another fact is that the women's liberation movement created a lot of these losers.

Divorce rates went up, men became single with nothing to do. They also became angry. There were also a larger number of boys raised without a father, which is one way that people end up being criminal losers because they have no good role models. Men were collectively destroyed.

It also led to an increase in hypermasculinity (gang behavior, aggression, etc.) because this was now necessary to separate yourself from the crowd of other men and get women. Gang violence increased starting in the 1970's and it can be traced back to the women's liberation movement.

I see that we have a lot of the same problems. We both answer almost every question on here with statements about how feminism ****ed up the world, red pill and MGTOW philosophies.

You would almost think that I was a MGTOW recruiter as opposed to an aspiring PUA/Don Juan whatever you want to call it.

I never watched the whole Matrix series, but I think that Neo was eventual able to manipulate the system to his advantage once he had his red pill knowledge, no matter how hard that red pill was to swallow.

The only think I can think of is to **** prostitutes. I'm not exactly content with that, but it's what I'm currently doing. I get them of Seeking Arrangement and they are hot. They aren't traditional Backpage hookers. They have full-time jobs, go to school, etc. and are just looking for extra income.

I have really began to swallow this red pill hard over the last week. I used to aspire to have a family, etc. but now I see that that is most likely not going to happen, at least not in any traditional sense, and that it's not my fault.

Sad as it is, I have nothing to do but try to meet their hypergamy standard by getting rich. That is the only way they will respect me, and yes I do go out to bars and see gangbangers with girls around them. I just spent 4 years in prison and I agree that the gang stuff is stupid. Even the Bloods, the Crips, and MS13 look like immature kids from middle school recess when they are locked up. Yet a lot of people on the street don't know this and so they respect these people.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Ummmm....I would rather be NUMBER ONE......lol WTF?

This is what pisses me off with the Manosphere, you guys and your Cartoon Character, fake tough guy, fake Alpha bullshyt. I grew up in fvcked up conditions, there's nothing glorious about that shyt and the vast majority of people in that condition, DO NOT come out of it. Fvck this notion about it teaching you to be "tough", 95% of the people in that condition die in that condition.....many of them before they turn 25 years old.



Jamal and Hector...........go on killing sprees......every fvcking night in the HOOD. Lol, what world are you guys living in? Hellooooo, have you not heard of the fvcked up crime rates in the inner city? Murders, crimes, rapes, and other bullshyt violence through the roof. Jamal and Hector, routinely KILL bytches (some they are dating, some they are not), just like Elliot Rogers did.



No, what's clear is that this market of women are fvcking Retarded and their retardedness has spread to most men in this market (including most of you guys on this forum) because you come up with insane reasons to excuse the retarded shyt instead of calling it what it is.........retarded shyt.

If you cant tell the difference between a guy killing random women and kids on the suburbs and a criminal dealing with those who threat his dealing area I believe we lack the common ground to have a proper discussion.
I guess we have to agree to disagree beginning with the first line about who we would rather be.

 

[Tenacity]

Another fact is that the women's liberation movement created a lot of these losers.

Divorce rates went up, men became single with nothing to do. They also became angry. There were also a larger number of boys raised without a father, which is one way that people end up being criminal losers because they have no good role models. Men were collectively destroyed.

It also led to an increase in hypermasculinity (gang behavior, aggression, etc.) because this was now necessary to separate yourself from the crowd of other men and get women. Gang violence increased starting in the 1970's and it can be traced back to the women's liberation movement.

Exactly!

And these are facts that most of the guys on this forum refuse to admit because, it forces them to have to call women to the carpet for THEIR contribution to the FVCKED UP society we are facing today.....and because it's much easier to criticize a man today than to criticize a woman, most of these guys would rather blame it ALL on the man, knowing damn well at least 65% of the problem came from decisions that the women made.

 

[Tenacity]

If you cant tell the difference between a guy killing random women and kids on the suburbs and a criminal dealing with those who threat his dealing area I believe we lack the common ground to have a proper discussion.

What I'm trying to tell you.......is that Jamal and Hector are shooting random women and children as WELL. That's what you don't seem to understand. Jamal and Hector aren't just killing each other, they are killing everybody. I can post you stories of multiple, innocent kids, who were SHOT for no reason. I can post you stories of innocent kids who were lured into back alleys by Jamal, Hector, Ray Ray, and Pookie, and beat/killed for NO reason.

I guess we have to agree to disagree beginning with the first line about who we would rather be.

I guess so, because I operate in the real world, not the Manosphere/Fake Chest Thumping Alpha World. There's nothing glorious about growing up poor, in the hood, in a violent/fvcked up area, etc. Nothing whatsoever. Many men (guys that I knew personally BTW) died before the age of 25. There's nothing funny about that, nothing glorious about that, and there's nothing to worship about that. NOBODY should have to grow up in those conditions.

 

[zekko]

Dude give me a break with these cartoon character labels.

How about we put it this way: The thugs are getting laid because they are masculine. Elliot was a little pvssy, and a whiny pvssy at that.

We don't have so many of these thug types where I live, you should relocate. Get the heck out of Detroit, or wherever you are. That place is the armpit of the country.

 

[GoodOne123]

Dude give me a break with these cartoon character labels.



See this is why women keep doing the RETARDED shyt that they are doing, it's guys like you who keep giving them a PASS for the shyt, saying it's just their "nature". WTF does that even mean?

- Prior to the 1970 women's liberation/feminism shyt, you did NOT see women in MASS fvcking deadbeat loser men and having kids with them. It wasn't HAPPENING.

- They would turn 18- 21 and get married to a man with a job, resources, and stability.......and STICK with that motherfvcker for life (or at least damn near life).

What is this "it's their nature" bullshyt? This epidemic of women fvcking BUMS is a relatively NEW thing. This epidemic of women worshipping LOSERS or the "bad boy" is a relatively NEW thing. You did not, I repeat, you did not see this shyt in mass prior to the 1970's. Marriage, families, and Mr. Nice Guy were on top of the world.

The labels I used are just for convenience. An alpha is a confident, self assured male that allows his natural sex appeal to flow. These terms are not cartoonish, they are used to define animal behaviour, and since we are animals at our core we can apply it to ourselves too.

Women screw who they want to screw. That's based on their nature. The same way it's in our nature to bang hot women and not ugly ones is based on our nature too.

Your nature is who you are at your core beneath all your social programming, and refers to your primal and sexual desires, and basic needs.

The reason why is that these guys who are losers yet get girls appeal to women's primal and sexual desires. That is partly alpha behaviour. The other part is looks. Like I said in my previous post, money resources and jobs don't get a woman wet!!!!!

Before the 1970s, there was more SOCIAL PROGRAMMING that emphasised women to find men with resources etc , marry early, never have sex before marriage, and never cheat etc. This came in the form of tv, parents, and a stronger religious presence, as well as a more stricter culture. This prevented women from sleeping around with anyone they wanted to, because of having their sexual desires repressed, and living in fear of being shunned by society should they act on their desires.

Post 1970s, social programming encouraged women to do the OPPOSITE. All of a sudden, religion started to fade, culture became less strict, and women were encouraged to be sexually liberated and sleep around. At this point women could express their desires, and expose to everyone what they are truly sexually attracted to, which is alpha behaviour and looks, EVEN if the guy is a bum.

You see, women's nature never changed, they simply had social programming stopping them from acting upon it.

Now I'm not saying women are perfect. There are aspects of female behaviour I don't like. So don't think I'm giving women a pass on everything.

Now, you claim sexual liberation of women never happened before? Well you are wrong. In the pre Victorian era women were free to be a concubine to any man they wish, this was typically married men. There was no stigma attached to this, and a concubine was even allowed to stop being a concubine and marry to have a family of their own. History has a funny way of repeating itself.

As far as losers go, Casanova is a great example of a guy who was a bum, but slept with many women. Even with women who had high social programming like church goers, he recognised women's true nature and desires, and didn't buy into the false ideology that women only want resources etc. He even did this in a time where social programming was very strict on suppressing female sexual desire. Now could you argue he exxagurated his conquests? Perhaps. But I'm very sure there were other guys like him doing the same, and always have been, and always will be.

Of course there will be many more recent examples of guys doing this before the 1970s. But the reason you won't hear much about them is because back in those days there was no internet, smart phones. Much harder to prove you were a bum playboy due to lack of evidence. Mind you nobody would want to speak out about it since even having sex before marriage was taboo enough back in those days.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

The labels I used are just for convenience. An alpha is a confident, self assured male that allows his natural sex appeal to flow. These terms are not cartoonish, they are used to define animal behaviour, and since we are animals at our core we can apply it to ourselves too.

Women screw who they want to screw. That's based on their nature. The same way it's in our nature to bang hot women and not ugly ones is based on our nature too.

Your nature is who you are at your core beneath all your social programming, and refers to your primal and sexual desires, and basic needs.

The reason why is that these guys who are losers yet get girls appeal to women's primal and sexual desires. That is partly alpha behaviour. The other part is looks. Like I said in my previous post, money resources and jobs don't get a woman wet!!!!!

Before the 1970s, there was more SOCIAL PROGRAMMING that emphasised women to find men with resources etc , marry early, never have sex before marriage, and never cheat etc. This came in the form of tv, parents, and a stronger religious presence, as well as a more stricter culture. This prevented women from sleeping around with anyone they wanted to, because of having their sexual desires repressed, and living in fear of being shunned by society should they act on their desires.

Post 1970s, social programming encouraged women to do the OPPOSITE. All of a sudden, religion started to fade, culture became less strict, and women were encouraged to be sexually liberated and sleep around. At this point women could express their desires, and expose to everyone what they are truly sexually attracted to, which is alpha behaviour and looks, EVEN if the guy is a bum.

You see, women's nature never changed, they simply had social programming stopping them from acting upon it.

Now I'm not saying women are perfect. There are aspects of female behaviour I don't like. So don't think I'm giving women a pass on everything.

Now, you claim sexual liberation of women never happened before? Well you are wrong. In the pre Victorian era women were free to be a concubine to any man they wish, this was typically married men. There was no stigma attached to this, and a concubine was even allowed to stop being a concubine and marry to have a family of their own. History has a funny way of repeating itself.

As far as losers go, Casanova is a great example of a guy who was a bum, but slept with many women. Even with women who had high social programming like church goers, he recognised women's true nature and desires, and didn't buy into the false ideology that women only want resources etc. He even did this in a time where social programming was very strict on suppressing female sexual desire. Now could you argue he exxagurated his conquests? Perhaps. But I'm very sure there were other guys like him doing the same, and always have been, and always will be.

Of course there will be many more recent examples of guys doing this before the 1970s. But the reason you won't hear much about them is because back in those days there was no internet, smart phones. Much harder to prove you were a bum playboy due to lack of evidence. Mind you nobody would want to speak out about it since even having sex before marriage was taboo enough back in those days.

Well I guess I'm ****ed because my only strategy at the moment is to get rich.

I'm 30. Not getting any younger or better looking. It seems like it's that or nothing.

I had a period in my early 20's when I was popular with girls and people in general when I was an LSD dealer/user. I really have no point in telling you that other than it was cool and I miss it.

My older brother used to be popular with ladies as a college athlete. Then, his time as an athlete came to an end as did his success with ladies.

Being "the rich guy" is the only chance I have left to meet their hypergamy standard. And I have to buy a Bentley because I'm too shy and introverted to just tell people I'm rich. Lol. It's my opener.

 

[GoodOne123]

Well I guess I'm ****ed because my only strategy at the moment is to get rich.

I'm 30. Not getting any younger or better looking. It seems like it's that or nothing.

I had a period in my early 20's when I was popular with girls and people in general when I was an LSD dealer/user. I really have no point in telling you that other than it was cool and I miss it.

My older brother used to be popular with ladies as a college athlete. Then, his time as an athlete came to an end as did his success with ladies.

Being "the rich guy" is the only chance I have left to meet their hypergamy standard. And I have to buy a Bentley because I'm too shy and introverted to just tell people I'm rich. Lol. It's my opener.

Well I've met a few guys who have had the potential to become more of an alpha male, and fulfilled that potential.

I've also met guys who have had the potential to improve their looks and have done so through the gym, haircut etc.

But if you've reached your potential in those areas and they're not a high enough level to get the calibre of wonan you want, then yes, the accumulation of resources and money is the path you need to take.

One of the main reasons that men in the business, finance and entrepreneur world's are so brutal and workaholics is because of this. They know they don't have the natural alpha charm or good looks, neither do they have the potential to improve these attributes much. Therefore they know the only way to get hot women and get a hot young wife is through money and resources.

I'd say it's good to be grateful to have had a period in your life when you were a hit with the ladies, because some guys don't even have that. Some even have the opposite, where they just repel women for whatever reason.

You just have to keep in mind that even though you may attract a 10/10 with money, the woman's attraction might be based mainly, or purely on your financial situation. Not on genuine interest.

If you feel shy or introverted, it might suggest you still have room to develop your personality traits. Perhaps looks too. These are what spark genuine interest in women, and improve the number or calibre of women that want you based on genuine interest alone.

Personally, I'd take a 7/10 that wants me for genuine interest compared to a 10/10 based on material gain.

 

[Tenacity]

An alpha is a confident, self assured male that allows his natural sex appeal to flow.

This sounds like something Adult Swim/Cartoon Network will write as a description for a late night Cartoon Character.

These terms are not cartoonish, they are used to define animal behaviour, and since we are animals at our core we can apply it to ourselves too.

I get it, so we are no higher in logic, thought, reason, consciousness, emotional durability, and self-awareness than an animal? So you turn on the Animal Kingdom to learn about how grown men and grown women should behave?

Women screw who they want to screw. That's based on their nature. The same way it's in our nature to bang hot women and not ugly ones is based on our nature too.

A "hot woman" is subjective sir. Makeup, fake eyelashes, fake nails, hair weaves, perfume, fake tits, fake a.sses, photoshop, etc., are things used today by women to be "hot" as based on changes in social/cultural norms......what's defined as "hot" today is completely different than let's say 300 years ago.

So this notion of Men being programmed by this "nature" you keep referring to, to screw "hot" women, makes absolutely no sense. Men are naturally inclined to screw women...women period. It's changes in social/cultural conditions that make us start to behave differently. Understand, at least 50% of women today are at least bisexual. That is strictly a result of social/cultural conditions.

The reason why is that these guys who are losers yet get girls appeal to women's primal and sexual desires. That is partly alpha behaviour. The other part is looks. Like I said in my previous post, money resources and jobs don't get a woman wet!!!!!

Before the 1970s, there was more SOCIAL PROGRAMMING that emphasised women to find men with resources etc , marry early, never have sex before marriage, and never cheat etc. This came in the form of tv, parents, and a stronger religious presence, as well as a more stricter culture. This prevented women from sleeping around with anyone they wanted to, because of having their sexual desires repressed, and living in fear of being shunned by society should they act on their desires.

Post 1970s, social programming encouraged women to do the OPPOSITE. All of a sudden, religion started to fade, culture became less strict, and women were encouraged to be sexually liberated and sleep around. At this point women could express their desires, and expose to everyone what they are truly sexually attracted to, which is alpha behaviour and looks, EVEN if the guy is a bum.

So let me get this straight.....

We are no better than animals, and Ray Ray and Pookie are appealing to the "animal" in a woman? So for the MAJORITY of human existence, this secret "animal nature" of women that Ray Ray appeals to, has been caged up? But now, the Super Duper Feminist Movement of the 1970's has allowed it to come out? Thus, women are acting in their natural "animal" nature by picking bums, losers, deadbeats, thugs, criminals, and dope dealers?

That's your theory?

Before I tear into this theory even MORE, I want to make sure I'm correct that this is your stance........

 

[zekko]

The labels I used are just for convenience. An alpha is a confident, self assured male that allows his natural sex appeal to flow.

An alpha is the dominant male. All the sexual benefits that come to the alpha are just the result of his being the dominant male. It's related to hypergamy. Women want the best guy so they have bragging rights and give their children good genes.

I've also met guys who have had the potential to improve their looks and have done so through the gym, haircut etc.

I'm just using your statement as a springboard to say this:

Some define looks as your God-given genetic looks, that which you cannot change.
Anything you CAN change (like style, haircut, muscle building) is called appearance.
Some people use those terms to differentiate between what you can change and what you can't.

Thus, women are acting in their natural "animal" nature by picking bums, losers, deadbeats, thugs, criminals, and dope dealers?

I hate to say this, but a lot of this "women going for thugs, criminals, and dope dealers" is specifically a black culture problem. That's not to say white women don't go for thugs, many do, but if they go for a normal, successful guy, they aren't shamed for it.

 

[Trainwreck]

Zekko, the only successful white guys most white girls go for are Chads with everything handed to them in a silver platter by daddy or by white privilege. Other than that, you don't see white women getting wet over Dexter the real genius unless they are nerds themselves. They are mostly attracted to losers just like black women are, but at least have the comforting trampoline of white society to bounce them to a higher level unlike blacks who don't and remain in the inner city.

 

[GoodOne123]

This sounds like something Adult Swim/Cartoon Network will write as a description for a late night Cartoon Character.



I get it, so we are no higher in logic, thought, reason, consciousness, emotional durability, and self-awareness than an animal? So you turn on the Animal Kingdom to learn about how grown men and grown women should behave?



A "hot woman" is subjective sir. Makeup, fake eyelashes, fake nails, hair weaves, perfume, fake tits, fake a.sses, photoshop, etc., are things used today by women to be "hot" as based on changes in social/cultural norms......what's defined as "hot" today is completely different than let's say 300 years ago.

So this notion of Men being programmed by this "nature" you keep referring to, to screw "hot" women, makes absolutely no sense. Men are naturally inclined to screw women...women period. It's changes in social/cultural conditions that make us start to behave differently. Understand, at least 50% of women today are at least bisexual. That is strictly a result of social/cultural conditions.





So let me get this straight.....

We are no better than animals, and Ray Ray and Pookie are appealing to the "animal" in a woman? So for the MAJORITY of human existence, this secret "animal nature" of women that Ray Ray appeals to, has been caged up? But now, the Super Duper Feminist Movement of the 1970's has allowed it to come out? Thus, women are acting in their natural "animal" nature by picking bums, losers, deadbeats, thugs, criminals, and dope dealers?

That's your theory?

Before I tear into this theory even MORE, I want to make sure I'm correct that this is your stance........

Look. When I refer to animal nature, I am referring to the CORE needs and desires that we all have. I never said we should act like them at all.

At our core we want to eat, sleep, have sex, and have shelter. Those are our primal needs, and if you see, they are the needs we need met the most.

Don't misunderstand me. We are highly intelligent animals, we are highly creative, industrious, and emotionally intelligent animals. But we are animals at our core regardless.

I never said we are no better, of course we are, we are better in the ways I mentioned. All I'm saying is the similarities and core needs we have.

The main difference between our behaviour and the animals behaviour is that we have SOCIAL PROGRAMMING. This is done through media, culture and religion. This is done so that we have a well functioning, moral society to live in. This is done by the elite members of society in order to keep us from creating chaos and keep the economy, order and relationships under control and thriving.

Again, don't get it twisted. Social programming is needed in a lot of cases. And can be used to create and organise the great things we have accomplished. Its good, but it can be used to suppress certain desires.

Social programming like I said in my previous post, had suppressed female sexual desire before. Its not that women never were attracted to alpha behaviour, it's that the social programming created too much shame and social repercussions to act upon it.

After the 1970s movement women were open to act on their sexual desires more openly. Have sex with a man based purely on how he turns her on sexually and before marriage, not based on his bank account and after marriage like social programming was telling her before.

Women may have acted upon it before 1970s, it just wouldn't have been so open. It would be like a secret affair.

Now women are sexually liberated, they can go with whoever they want. It was not always caged up, refer to my previous post for examples.

I never said women go with only bums, they just go with who they want now, even if they're a bum. It just might happen to be that the bums and gangster types appeal to women's sexual desires more because they are more masculine, alpha, and even have good physique or face.

It might also be, like zekko said, something like a trend, or more popular within the black community.

And btw. Yes hotness has been subjective over the years. But science has shown that we all find universal features attractive. For example facial symmetry, healthy hair, skin etc. Feminine figure etc. The same way women have always found a masculine jaw and strong physique and height attractive. Of course social trends may skew these things. For example in centuries ago in famine, plump people were seen as more attractive since they showed they had enough money to eat more than other people. But this does not mean sexual attraction! This is attraction based on material gain and or social conformity! When I talk about hotness I mean the universal features we find sexually attractive.

 

[Tenacity]

Look. When I refer to animal nature, I am referring to the CORE needs and desires that we all have. I never said we should act like them at all.

Now you're playing semantics.

The main difference between our behaviour and the animals behaviour is that we have SOCIAL PROGRAMMING. This is done through media, culture and religion. This is done so that we have a well functioning, moral society to live in. This is done by the elite members of society in order to keep us from creating chaos and keep the economy, order and relationships under control and thriving.

Right.........

Social programming like I said in my previous post, had suppressed female sexual desire before. Its not that women never were attracted to alpha behaviour, it's that the social programming created too much shame and social repercussions to act upon it.

It's this cartoon character "Alpha Male" you keep referring to that makes no sense. How does a bum help provide a women food and shelter? He can have sex with her, but how does he help provide food and shelter?

Furthermore, if your theory is that women at their "CORE" want these Alpha Men (who you refer to as the bums, thugs, criminals, and deadbeats) based on some Animal Kingdom theory, and were just caged up prior from pursuing them.........then please explain why 50% - 70% of women are LESBIAN or bisexual today? Can you show me the male dog that fvcks the male dog? The male lion that fvcks the male lion? The female dog that fvcks the female dog? Can you show me a GAY animal?

Your theory is simply that we are all animals and that the 1970's feminist movement allowed women to be unleashed out of the cage to truly fvck who they really wanted to fvck all along (thugs, criminals, and bums) because these are the super, duper, "ALPHA" males. But when you look at the fact that women are fvcking each other in record number (50% - 70%), how does this align with your Animal Kingdom theory?

 

[sambwoy]

As for getting free valid constructive advice from strangers without asking? Never happens. If you want that type of advice you either ask for it or seek it out from other sources, like dating coaches etc. You're expecting too much from strangers if you think otherwise.

Provided its not the kind of coach that's actually a PUA 'guru'. It has been said that those CDs/books will strongly deny that looks matter. Women want a guy to have the confidence to approach him, yes, provided he passes the looks test FIRST.
As for Rodger, standards were high, granted, but culturally we ought to learn to undo some of the fallacies surrounding hotties anyway- from my experience a hottie has to prove that they are gentle, modest and reserved first before you give them a pass.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Now you're playing semantics.



Right.........



It's this cartoon character "Alpha Male" you keep referring to that makes no sense. How does a bum help provide a women food and shelter? He can have sex with her, but how does he help provide food and shelter?

Furthermore, if your theory is that women at their "CORE" want these Alpha Men (who you refer to as the bums, thugs, criminals, and deadbeats) based on some Animal Kingdom theory, and were just caged up prior from pursuing them.........then please explain why 50% - 70% of women are LESBIAN or bisexual today? Can you show me the male dog that fvcks the male dog? The male lion that fvcks the male lion? The female dog that fvcks the female dog? Can you show me a GAY animal?

Your theory is simply that we are all animals and that the 1970's feminist movement allowed women to be unleashed out of the cage to truly fvck who they really wanted to fvck all along (thugs, criminals, and bums) because these are the super, duper, "ALPHA" males. But when you look at the fact that women are fvcking each other in record number (50% - 70%), how does this align with your Animal Kingdom theory?

I think it comes down to knowing how to fight.

Remember that the "women" of today grew up playing on their computer and watching television. Anything resembling masculinity will turn them on.

 

[GoodOne123]

Now you're playing semantics.



Right.........



It's this cartoon character "Alpha Male" you keep referring to that makes no sense. How does a bum help provide a women food and shelter? He can have sex with her, but how does he help provide food and shelter?

Furthermore, if your theory is that women at their "CORE" want these Alpha Men (who you refer to as the bums, thugs, criminals, and deadbeats) based on some Animal Kingdom theory, and were just caged up prior from pursuing them.........then please explain why 50% - 70% of women are LESBIAN or bisexual today? Can you show me the male dog that fvcks the male dog? The male lion that fvcks the male lion? The female dog that fvcks the female dog? Can you show me a GAY animal?

Your theory is simply that we are all animals and that the 1970's feminist movement allowed women to be unleashed out of the cage to truly fvck who they really wanted to fvck all along (thugs, criminals, and bums) because these are the super, duper, "ALPHA" males. But when you look at the fact that women are fvcking each other in record number (50% - 70%), how does this align with your Animal Kingdom theory?

I'm don't play, I'm just saying what I meant.

If you don't believe the comment on how we would act mostly like animals should we not have had social programming, then do you really think you would act the way you would should your parents or society had never taught you? Here's an example, the movie the jungle book was actually based on a few rare instances in real life where a child was raised with no parents in the wild. These children actually acted just like animals, and tended to their core needs. Why? Because they had no SOCIAL PROGRAMMING growing up. No religion no culture. After the authorities found these children, they tried to integrate them back to society, but they did so after much difficulty by socially programming them from scratch.

If you hate the label alpha male, then replace a label that you like instead in my posts. As long as it means a confident self assured dominant male that exudes sex appeal then I'm not fussed.

You're forgetting something big. Girls don't care about the food shelter aspect because for the most part that is already covered. Either from parents, the government or their boyfriends they will find a way to have those needs met. Not to mention that they have many beta orbiters to help them with anything financial or gossip or whatever. This is if they don't even have a job. What is scarce, and what these girls want is that dominant sex appeal. Which is becoming less due to our more effeminate society.

Also, women may manipulate betas into a relationship to exploit their resources, but that doesn't mean they turn them on sexually. They will just bang the alphas on the side, and this happens more than you think.

Or the women will just stay with an alpha only, and make ends meet in terms of resources. Again either from parents government or beta orbiters. Women also use orbiters as an emotional tampon, something alphas don't do.

Look, it's been proven by science even, that female sexuality is much more flexible than males. After sexual liberation of women, Women wanted to experiment with another. Hence why the increase of so called bisexuals or lesbians. But also because people were scared to come out the closet too before that.

We all know women, at least most have kissed another girl for fun. We also know a lot of times where these bisexuals and lesbians have jumped from males to females, or girls to guys in their lives, maybe even multiple times.

I must stop you to say your estimation is ridiculous. This is at the most 20%, realistically like 10% of the female population.

I give you that this increase may be from a degree of a trend in media. But that us all it is, a trend that a few girls like to try out.

But this does not mean they don't like the alpha male. I have met a bisexual a week ago, and she did find me attractive, but I must say I did approach her confidently and my looks are above average.

It is also due to the feminised society we live in, that has reduced the level of masculinity of men as a whole. Women find it too hard to find an alpha that satisfies them, so they say why Not? And try women for a while.

You also need to put into account that women are on average more kinky than men. You don't need to look far. Most female fantasies are far more kinky than most mens. Not to mention, in the porn industry there is, and always has been an overflow of women wanting to become pornstars, and a lack of men. Women being the kibkier sex are going to experiment with women after they have been sexually liberated of course.

Also, there are gay animals in the wild. They exist. Just not as much as humans. I never said us and animals were EXACTLY the same, so don't assume that. The differences can be based on many things since we are more complex as a whole, but I gave you a few examples in the last few paragraphs.

Lastly, don't focus on a minority group. Lesbians are a minority. Focus on the majority when you apply what I say. Which is straight women. I don't know where you live but I rarely meet a bisexual or lesbian woman. Keep in mibd sometimes the wonen who call themselves bisexuals are mostly just straight, but they call themselves bisexual because it sounds cool and edgy, or they might think they're bisexual because they kissed a couple girls one time and liked it.

By the way, alphas can either be bums or not bums. An alpha is based on their character traits. You were using that term to describe the type of men that get women. I simply stated that the so called "bums" you perceive may have alpha traits hence why these women gravitate towards them.

 

[Tenacity]

If you hate the label alpha male, then replace a label that you like instead in my posts. As long as it means a confident self assured dominant male that exudes sex appeal then I'm not fussed.

The problem is that NO MAN ALIVE exists like this, unless you are talking about a character on a movie or a cartoon in a cartoon show. You are using this made up "person" as a benchmark for your argument and it makes no sense.

Girls don't care about the food shelter aspect because for the most part that is already covered. Either from parents, the government or their boyfriends they will find a way to have those needs met.

I brought that up because you said we are nothing but animals at our core, who care about food, sleeping, shelter, and sex. Every woman doesn't have a KID nor well-off parents, thus, they can't get food and shelter from them.

Yes, a woman can go out and produce her own income to thus provide food and shelter, but if your theory is that at a woman's CORE, her mating process is based on selecting individuals who are likely to produce food and shelter for her......then sleeping with a BUM makes no damn sense.

Furthermore, a woman sleeping with another woman makes no damn sense, if your theory is to be true that at her CORE, she wants this fake Alpha dude you keep talking about, who has the ability to bring her food, shelter, and sex.

Also, women may manipulate betas into a relationship to exploit their resources, but that doesn't mean they turn them on sexually. They will just bang the alphas on the side, and this happens more than you think.

More cartoon shyt.

- The women only want the dominant, alpha, James Bond, unmovable FORCE man

- All other men are just Betas and used for their resources

Sir do you realize that mankind today wouldn't exist if what you were saying was true?

When the Feminist Movement hit in the 1970's, women would no longer have been getting pregnant in MASS, because how many cartoon "Alpha Male" men that you describe, are walking around here today? You even said it yourself, that the Feminism Movement has helped destroy/decrease the number of these cartoon Alpha/Masculine Men you are talking about.

Women are fvcking all types of men sir. They are fvcking thugs, criminals, deadbeats, but they are also fvcking simps, MGTOWs, AFCs, Beta Males, etc.

You are getting up here pushing a theory that one guy (this cartoon Alpha) is MORE LOVED than the other, but you have no proof of that. The only thing we can use to judge whether or not a woman likes a particular guy (or type of guy), is if that guy gets DATES/A.SS. And all of the men I just described are getting dates/a.ss.

Look, it's been proven by science even, that female sexuality is much more flexible than males. After sexual liberation of women, Women wanted to experiment with another. Hence why the increase of so called bisexuals or lesbians. But also because people were scared to come out the closet too before that.

Now you're just making up shyt. And if you think my 50% of women are bisexual or lesbian number is made up, go to a NIGHTCLUB on Saturday Night. Watch don't at least 50% of the women on the dance floor be humping and twerking on each other. Watch don't they make out at some point during the night. Go on Social Media and look at the number of women openly flirting with other women.