Relationship focused game advice? Where can I find more material

CnqrFear

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Hey guys I have a simple question, where can I find advice that is tailored for guys who want to have a relationship last for a long time or even into marriage. I know the basic fundamentals still apply but some things become harder to execute like "be a mystery" or "spin plates"

Ive slept with 10 girls in my life I'm 28 and made out with more than 20 women. Through my journey I never really approached women at bars or clubs. I either met them online (now) or through friends or in college in class or in my gym.

Ive had a few short relationships with women literally **** for two weeks and drop off. I did that for a while with three different women but I just wasn't happy with having sex with someone just for pleasure. I would find myself wanting to date and get to know the person
more.

When I was younger like 21-26 I really wanted to **** as many girls as possible because I was really only looking for a badge to wear.

But regardless of how hot the woman was when I had a few quick lays if I didn't like her or want to date her or find her interesting I never really enjoyed the sex.

I enjoyed sex the most when I cared about the person.

I'm beginning to realize that meeting women for the purpose of having a solid relationship is a bit different.

Bars and clubs are not the best place for LTR minded women IMHO, day game and hobbies and social networks might be better. Online dating is very easy in the sense you can "approach" people a 100 times a day in 20 minutes and you know all of them are single and looking.

My problem has always been that I start out a relationship independent and secure but over time I become a more needy and insecure person who loses his temper. Naturally she loses attraction for me.

Sometimes I shoot myself in the foot by being too comfortable and sharing faults and issues in dealing with. This comes and bites me in the ass later on as it lowers my value as a man.

One of the most important lessons I have learnt from my recent breakup is that a woman by nature needs a man she can lean on emotionally and lean on for strength when she is struggling. But if a man tries to use her for those purposes then she gets turned off. I realized just like you look up to a teacher or a boss or a coach of that person started to lean on you and showed a decent amount of weakness, you lose that faith that the person you look up to will not be strong enough for times you will need them.

A man has to be a pillar and for that he has to lean on her less than she leans on you.

Why do I have to be a pillar in the first place? I guess nature designed man to be the pillar to women

But this lesson was a costly lesson as I really cared for her and we were compatible on many levels.

I don't want to make more mistakes and learn the hard way.

Appreciate the help

Also my desire to not **** as many random women as possible would label be as a beta provider because a true alpha wants to spread his seed all the time. But that's not in my nature. Am I beta provider?


 

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CnqrFear said:
Hey guys I have a simple question, where can I find advice that is tailored for guys who want to have a relationship last for a long time or even into marriage.
Look for resources on emotional self-development, developing presence, meditation, and intimacy work. "Undefended Love" is a book which goes right to the heart of things, not sure if that book would serve you though.

I know the basic fundamentals still apply but some things become harder to execute like "be a mystery" or "spin plates"
Haha! Yeah a lot of those fundamentals actually get inverted, in my experience.

I enjoyed sex the most when I cared about the person.
Congratulations. You woke up from a dream that many people are still imprisoned in. Uniting the heart and loins, is way better.


My problem has always been that I start out a relationship independent and secure but over time I become a more needy and insecure person who loses his temper. Naturally she loses attraction for me.
There is no "she". We're not talking about a specific woman yet, right?

Its fine if you have intimacy issues, such as insecurity. These stem from karmic issues in past lives where we experienced trauma, and you have to move through those feelings by feeling them, until they are integrated in your being. In an intimate relationship there is no way to mask the pain/fear/sadness using 'techniques' because you will be increasingly honest with and close to each other.

Sometimes I shoot myself in the foot by being too comfortable and sharing faults and issues in dealing with. This comes and bites me in the ass later on as it lowers my value as a man.
Yeah you have no idea what you're talking about. The fact that you view sharing weaknesses as 'value-lowering' means you are just getting started at relationship game. Relationship game is all about sharing weaknesses honestly and creating an atmosphere of trust, IMO.

One of the most important lessons I have learnt from my recent breakup is that a woman by nature needs a man she can lean on emotionally and lean on for strength when she is struggling. But if a man tries to use her for those purposes then she gets turned off. I realized just like you look up to a teacher or a boss or a coach of that person started to lean on you and showed a decent amount of weakness, you lose that faith that the person you look up to will not be strong enough for times you will need them.

A man has to be a pillar and for that he has to lean on her less than she leans on you.
Either that or you didn't meet a woman you could lean on.

Why do I have to be a pillar in the first place? I guess nature designed man to be the pillar to women
The right woman will support you as well. It is a beautiful thing when it happens but it really has to be the right woman.

Also my desire to not **** as many random women as possible would label be as a beta provider because a true alpha wants to spread his seed all the time. But that's not in my nature. Am I beta provider?
Neither of those terms mean anything, even the scientific paradigms they are based on are flawed. You're a human being who seeks to connect in a caring and loving way with another human being, and also share sexual energy. It's basic, don't get trapped in the redpill matrix.
 

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DocLove is an expert on this field read his book. Some of his ideas on dating, getting numbers etc are too old fashioned though, they would work in 70s.

ucde said:
Uniting the heart and loins, is way better.
klolthxbye:cheer:
 

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I agree with the above - Doc Love is a GREAT source of reading material. The only part I don't agree with is his stuff being too "old fashioned" - most of his stuff teaches being a gentleman, respecting both her and yourself, and the art of patience, all of which I have found to be of great value in my own dating life.

I'd also recommend going to my website (PLUG - click on link below) - the majority of the info on there is FREE, and can help you learn dating principles that can be used for short term hook ups OR long-terms relationship prospects.

And, in answer to your LAST inquiry - about whether or not you'd be a "beta provider" by not trying to sleep with a lot of women - I did today's podcast today answering that question, which you can listen to HERE!
 

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Read Corey Wayne- 3% man. Good for LTR stuff.
 

Men frequently err by talking too much. They often monopolize conversations, droning on and on about topics that bore women to tears. They think they're impressing the women when, in reality, they're depressing the women.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Just checked out Doc Love's website. It's mostly him marketing his radio show & his products. Did'nt see much relationship advice on there.
 

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You can find all the advice you need inside his book.
 

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The 2 best sources in my opinion (depending on what your looking for) is www.marriagebuilders.com (good beta stuff for relationship comfort building) and. www.marriedmansexlife.com (good alpha building).

Enjoy.
Disclaimer : I am married. Now for 17 years and with my wife for total of 21 years this october.
 

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Subtitled: Is there a Sosuave for pansies?

Corey Wayne is great, but he charges $500 an hour. Wouldn't you be better off paying a hooker?
 

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bigneil said:
Subtitled: Is there a Sosuave for pansies?

Corey Wayne is great, but he charges $500 an hour. Wouldn't you be better off paying a hooker?
Not only women suck cash from beta providers :) 10h work per month 5000$ )
 

Well I'm here to tell you there is such a magic wand. Something that will make you almost completely irresistible to any woman you "point it" at. Something guaranteed to fill your life with love, romance, and excitement.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Suspens said:
DocLove is an expert on this field read his book. Some of his ideas on dating, getting numbers etc are too old fashioned though, they would work in 70s.
klolthxbye:cheer:
It still works today. His principles of screening out women and figuring out which ones have 'bad attitudes' is still appropriate. He correctly identifies what women really respond to.

The only thing I disagree with with him is that sex is a lot more important today than it was when this book was first written. Back then you could get away with not sleeping with a woman for a while in the courtship. Now a days, if you haven't fvcked her by the third date, she will think you are gay.

He advises against sex early on because it breeds too much familiarity, fact is that women today expect that you want to fvck them, and if you don't act like this and go after it she will move on to someone that will.

Another thing, his book is really written for the lowest common denominator. If you are good at reading women's body language and can gauge interest, then rather than just asking for her phone number and waiting to call, you should just go ahead and ask her out on the spot.

He also teaches that you should not touch until she touches you first.... again this all depends on the body language she is giving you. Touching is okay as long as you do it properly.
 

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DocLove is still one of the best. I read The System years ago.

Regarding not having sex early on. I tried this in my last relationship. There was no doubt the chemistry (and body language) was much stronger the next two times I saw her. Whereas the first time we spent the night together (only our second date) I felt like I would have to force her to fool around, the next 2 times (dates 3 and 4) I just snapped my fingers and she was on my lap. We didn't kiss nearly so passionately until after I made her wait. To be honest, I didn't even develop feelings until after. There is no doubt it was much better to be with her after. That said, when we wait, we tend to like them more, and they tend to like us less. And it can lead to blue balls so don't do it unless you have a backup.
 

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@ Rainman4707 If you go to Doc Love's actual website, it's mostly marketing. To read a bunch of his articles (over 24 pages worth, 30 articles a page), go to http://www.askmen.com/dating/doclove/. As for his book? Pure gold, and definitely helped me change the way I was dating to where I was able to get many more successes.
 
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