Fallacies in Red Pill (Part I) - The Biological Determinism Fallacy (Based on Science) - (reddit.com/r/exredpill/comments/5wq6x5/fallacies_in_red_pill_part_i_the_biological/)
TLDR - The red pill claims all women act in a biologically deterministic way yet science says there is a fairly even mix of nature and nurture when it comes to inter gender dynamics.
I actually agree that the red pill is often used incorrectly in a deterministic fashion. This is something I do see a lot from the red pill community and it's something Rollo is slightly guilty of, despite the fact he does regularly defend his material stating he is not making deterministic claims. I have read his books and they come off as deterministic to me, despite me knowing he does not hold that view.
In any event, this is true. People are very complex and can sometimes be very predictable and other times be very chaotic. I think the idea that women can not have agency (a self view above their biological drives) is a terrible misunderstanding of reality. But that said, there are many biological factors that influence behavior far more than the 50/50 split referenced in this post. They do acknowledge that the ratio is dependent on the behavior in question, which I think just muddies the important part which is how much of inter gender dynamics is driven by nature?
I don't have a scientific answer but in my experience and reflecting on my own biological drives over the years I'd say a lot. I'd say it's up there with eating. We have an obesity crisis in the west in the same way that women are hypergamous and the same way men will chase hot women. We have agency over it, but how good are we at controlling it? I know for me personally it wasn't great at certain points in my life. It's better now.
So the conclusion "What we find attractive is not just dependent on instinct, it's also dependent on pure envrionment like socialization, contigencies, values or education." is true. Yet, it does little to outline how much the other variables impact the types of behavior red pill is interested in. And I think one thing that the red pill gets right is that in the west, with an open sexual marketplace and the fact women now need to operate hypergamously in a work environment where they are successful as men, women are less restricted by environmental factors and therefore are more likely to act biologically. We see the same phenomenon in heavily feminist Scandinavian countries. When men and women are the most free socially, when they are raised outside of "oppressive gender norms", their biological drives maximize and you see a larger gap between men and women in traditionally gendered fields like STEM. The opposite is true in poor countries where you see more women in technology based industries because it feeds their family. They don't have the choice to pursue their desires. So what does that say about a woman's sexual agency in the west? Well, there are virtually no environmental pressures at all. She's encouraged to sleep around and experience her sexuality, she's encouraged not to settle down, she's encouraged to get a career which will make it difficult for her to find a man equal to her, she's free to do as she pleases. Which is not a bad thing at all. But it does mean that women are no longer raised to value family and monogamy from a societal view. She must have that view from her own life. This is why a woman's family life is very important in screening for an LTR. If she grew up in a nuclear family and wants that for herself, she's far more likely to have sexual behaviors that aim at that goal. On the other hand, if she's a tattoo'd up party girl, she's probably going to have open sexual behaviors and is likely unfit for an LTR. So know what your goals with women are and aim well.
So my conclusion? It's a reasonable point. Do not fall for deterministic thinking. People are chaotic. AWALT is a warning that every woman has the potential to act contrary to how we believe they do as blue pill conditioned men. In a world of imperfect understanding, there's nothing wrong with being aware of the possibilities and to know how to spot women who are more likely to act that way and avoid them. However, AWALT is not a message that women are printed from the same press and will all act identically. We know that's absurd based on observation in our lives. It's a common criticism of red pill ideas and it's a criticism that has merit given the misunderstand of many people who are red pill.
