Red Flags fom POF??

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I have a date lined up for next week with one I met through POF. We've been on one date previously. She's not bad. Nothing great but she's easy to be with and fun, not pretentious. Which is fine for me. Anyway, at the end of our first date she gives me a big hug and kiss. OK. No flies on that. But she suggests that she'll make me dinner on our next date. Plus she was giving me these weirdo stares.

Like I said. I have the dinner date lined up for next week. Does all of this seem like a red flag? Most women that I've dated made me work at it a little before going to their house/apartment.

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jimjam said:
I have a date lined up for next week with one I met through POF. We've been on one date previously. She's not bad. Nothing great but she's easy to be with and fun, not pretentious. Which is fine for me. Anyway, at the end of our first date she gives me a big hug and kiss. OK. No flies on that. But she suggests that she'll make me dinner on our next date. Plus she was giving me these weirdo stares.

Like I said. I have the dinner date lined up for next week. Does all of this seem like a red flag? Most women that I've dated made me work at it a little before going to their house/apartment.

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Bro, you are overthinking this one big time. I've had 1st meetup smashes off of plenty of fish. I even got some 2ns meetup head...AT HER HOUSE...she swallowed & all because she was on her period.

Relax, bring some rubbers & remove your woman filter. Enjoy the ease of finding some easy pvss. Thinking she is giving you weirdo stares & stuff like that is how women filter men. Relax & go plow through that bro.

She's just horny...Now the question is, are you going to man up?
 

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Haha! I suppose you're right.

Onward......
 

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Yes if she's making you dinner @ her place! Don't get too excited, it's a POF chick. Search POF threads if you don't get it. Online chicks that invite you to their house...no brainer. Be smart & wrap it up.
 

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Red flags from POF. And? What's your question?
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Chick wants the D, man, she's giving you eyeball sex as a prequel. Don't over-think it, and go with the flow. Have a nice dinner, chill with her, get a few drinks in there, and take her on a field trip to Poundtown.
 

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Gentlemen,

reporting back as requested.

All, in all, it was good. Just making out and fooling around on the couch is as far as it went. Which is fine for me. I didn't get the vibe off of her that she wanted to do anything that far. maybe I'm wrong. I think we were both tying to feel one another out before anything else. Pardon the pun. In any event, I have another date with her cooking for next week. Onward....

Also, had another date last Tuesday with a different girl. This was kind of similar except we mad out in a parking lot leaning against my car. Have another date with this one on Monday---at her apartment.

Things are moving......And perhaps I am taking things a bit slowly. OK. That's fine for me. There's always next time and I'm learning more and more.
Learned a lot from this site and reading the different posts. Glad I found it.
 

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Dear Jim Jam,
Birds in these On Line Dating sights,box way above their weight,you will do far better with the Parking Lot Girl...But mate I can honestly say after a lifetime of Dating I have never got my foot in the door of a Birds house without Shvagging her or dropping her there and then...You have passed so much vetting to get that far that the rest is like rolling off a log...Chose your moment,when you have finished the Washing up,keep standing,check out where the light switches are,the general direction of the couches, when she has wiped her hands,just walk over thank her for the meal,remove her glasses if she has any and hug her close,then give her an open mouth kiss she will respond straight away,if she pulls back then make an early night of it, if she enjoys it just start sliding your hands up and down her ribs,by now she is breathing heavily,holding her hand walk over to the switches and turn the lights off...go back to kissing then having worked out her clothing and bra arrangements,undo her and lifing her quickly into your arms take her over to and lay her on the couch,easy as that!
 

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Scaramouche,
Thank you for the sound advice. Ive been away from all of this for a long time. I suppose I'm testing my own waters. But it's been fun none the less.

Last time I heard women referred to as birds was when I was in my twenties and hanging around with a bunch of Man United supporters and other assorted hooligans.

Thanks again for the pointer. Ill keep you posted.
 

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Scaramouche,
Thank you for the sound advice. Ive been away from all of this for a long time. I suppose I'm testing my own waters. But it's been fun none the less.

Last time I heard women referred to as birds was when I was in my twenties and hanging around with a bunch of Man United supporters and other assorted hooligans.

Thanks again for the pointer. Ill keep you posted.
Yeah bro. Scaramouche gave you some solid advice. To add to this:

1) Start with kissing - Tongue = move to next.
2) Move to her neck & ear. Be sure to breathe heavily behind her ear & rub your lips & tongue lightly on her neck & ear.
3) rub her back - no resistance
4) rub her t1ts - no resistance
5) rub her 4ss - no resistance
6) hand up shirt - no resistance
7) kiss the top of her t1ts through her shirt - no resistance
8) take off shirt

From here you keep moving down until you in the pvss. I'm a process guy, so I run the same game on every chick. It makes it a no brainer to get to the pvss & I can see exactly where the resistance is.

If she resists at any point, don't give up, just back up. And if she continues to resist, like Scaramouche said, end the night early..."I have some stuff to take care of".

But, when she invites you to her place, you need to go as far as she will let you. Women don't do this unless they want some d1ck.

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You are right, of course. And I may have blown it. Then again, she has been texting me ever since and we do have tentative plans for this coming week. And if it doesn't work out, so what? I'll live and be happy and at least I've learned from it.

And I probably could have nailed it last time. But I think that my hesitation is symptomatic of a lifetime of AFC conditioning that I've only recently been able to recognize and initiate steps to overcome. By that I mean that even though I recognize this in myself, its still a part of me. As I said somewhere before, things were easy in my twenties. I had girlfriends, friends, things just came naturally, it seemed. I really didn't need to put much thought or effort into it. Not that I was some natural alpha, just that things were less complicated---no one really seemed to care one way or the other. Added to which I was either drunk or high most of the time and so were all of the people I associated with. Any interaction I may have had, and all that went with it, was about booze or dope when it came right down to it.

Then I had a horrible marriage for eight years and met my son's mother right after the divorce. The marriage didn't leave me empty but my son's mother breaking up with me had to be the worst thing I've endured. I couldn't understand it then and I still can't.

Anyway, I think I'm letting all of this hold me back from moving ahead with these things. At bottom, I'm the one who wants to go slowly because.....I don't really know why. I suppose that I'm afraid to show any shred of vulnerability because woman will just capitalize on that and ruin you. I see women as Medusas or sirens out of Homer's Odyssey. And I do realize that this is doing no one any good. And I am trying to work through it. This site, and reading through the forum posts have helped me greatly. I can tell just in the way that women relate to me since I've been working on this stuff. They all seem more open and more friendly. Plus I'm more confident, and more self aware. It's kind of like the reverse of a depressive funk. You have no whatever, so you're depressed. And you're depression feeds into your inability to fix whatever it is that's lacking. Now it's the opposite. I feel great, so I talk to women. Talking to women makes me feel great, etc, etc. Feeling great trickles into other areas of my life.

longish post. But thanks for the advice I've been given.
I do appreciate it. We'll see how it goes on Monday at this other chick's apartment. I'm the one who suggested watching a movie over there and she readily agreed.

Incidentally, its been a long time for me. And 'I think part of it has to do with nerves. I know I shouldn't let this bother me but it does. Guess I just have to say fvck it and press on.....

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IF she suggests a"movie at your place" that means she's down to f*ck. I'd bet it is the same at her place... they just need plausible deniability. instead of saying come over and bang, she said 'movie" so she can tell her friends. He came over for a movie, and I don't know....it just happened...
 

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jimjam said:
But I think that my hesitation is symptomatic of a lifetime of AFC conditioning that I've only recently been able to recognize and initiate steps to overcome. By that I mean that even though I recognize this in myself, its still a part of me.
The fact that you can admit this, means half the battle is over. Just keep going forward & keep posting here. We will help you shed the AFC buried deep within.

jimjam said:
I suppose that I'm afraid to show any shred of vulnerability because woman will just capitalize on that and ruin you. I see women as Medusas or sirens out of Homer's Odyssey. And I do realize that this is doing no one any good. And I am trying to work through it.
Yeah bro. You will definitely need to work through this. This can be a major stumbling block. It's called baggage & again, the fact that you are aware of it AND can admit it puts you ahead of half the class.

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Incidentally, its been a long time for me. And 'I think part of it has to do with nerves. I know I shouldn't let this bother me but it does. Guess I just have to say fvck it and press on....
Don't worry about that. Everyone on here who has come fresh out of LTR has dealt with the same thing. Just keep doing what you're doing & you will be fine bro.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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I can't understand it. The one I had a date with on Thursday has been texting me ever since. Fact, this morning she send me a text, "good morning." I answer her but tell her I'll call her later tonight as I'll be busy with my son all day. I texted her and I got these non-responsive answers. I suggested we meet this week but her response was totally non-committal. WTF???

And the one who is supposed to meet me tomorrow won't get back to me. I told her on Friday that I'd call on Sunday. I did. No response. Again, WF???

Anyway, I'm not chasing these women around. Fvck em if they don't get back to me. But, any ideas as to what may have happened, given the above detailed synopsis?

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I can't understand it. The one I had a date with on Thursday has been texting me ever since. Fact, this morning she send me a text, "good morning." I answer her but tell her I'll call her later tonight as I'll be busy with my son all day. I texted her and I got these non-responsive answers. I suggested we meet this week but her response was totally non-committal. WTF???

And the one who is supposed to meet me tomorrow won't get back to me. I told her on Friday that I'd call on Sunday. I did. No response. Again, WF???

Anyway, I'm not chasing these women around. Fvck em if they don't get back to me. But, any ideas as to what may have happened, given the above detailed synopsis?

Thanks
You're too much of a nice guy...point blank period. You should've fvcked the one who you were at her place. She invited you over for d1ck. I've talked to women who said it's a turn off if you don't make a move on them.

And, I'm sure the nice guy stuff comes off in your texts, phone conversations. It's a long road from being a nice guy to something else. A bad boy is the entire opposite end of the spectrum. I'm in between...I have bad boy tendacies, but I still treat them respectfully.

The way you had 2 women that you were trying to fvck this go round...do that with 10 next time...you will not have much time for many of them & they will chase you...but you have to stop being a nice guy...you know the saying.
 

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Haha! I suppose you're right. But im probably not as nice as you think. Have one coming over tonight and the one from last Thursday coming over this Thursday. So, yeah..... my goal is to have five in circulation at one time. The nice guy is still there. Im working on it......
 

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