Ratio of men to women how important?

[jonwon]

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=431

UK statistics.

Something I have been thinking about for a while and would prefer some solid evidence and findings on this.

Now the statistics above are for the UK only.

Now the way I see things over here as a general norm: (and I get around the UK rather a bit)

What I normally find: mainly restricted to the clubbing scene and going out.

The ratio of men to women is about 1.5:1 or even 3:1 in most cases, what I mean by this; on normal or average night out, there are 3x as man guys as there are women. I also see this a lot; the ratio of men to women around my age group and lower are normally what I would see as being more male dominant. Now some can dismiss this as simply perception from a biased view point, this is why I am looking for clarification on this subject. Now it is easy to dismiss this theory on the bases of the above statement alone.

But.

I have dated foreign women as well as visited other European countries and what I see makes me wonder why the hell I live in a male top heavy culture, (or do i).
Now these foreign women tell me they have been single for years and I mean years, simply due to there being NO MEN where they live, I don’t mean this in the literal sense but these women are not the banshees we see over here that scream ‘there are no good men’ and don’t do a thing to look at themselves, no these women are normally attractive normal decent feminine women who simply state, there are no men. Also when I go abroad I see the most ugliest guys and I mean total pigs with women that the average western guy would chop a nut off for and I see these women check me out e.t.c. But this can not be put to a classic case of ‘there rich’ this is not what’s going on here from what I gather, since I hear constantly there are far more women then men in some countries and they simply have to settle with what there is, much like a GL guy in this country settling for a pig with two kids.

Now the point of this post, it seems women over here, not men have far too much choice, too many option, this is until they get older.
An example:
Online dating, the ratio of men to women is staggering, yes there are other factors at play, but when you talk to these women and get to know them. It is plain to see there are double expectations at play here. One women I have been speaking to, contacted me simply because she liked my look, I liked her initial picture, but she decided to send me an up to date pic, in this pic she did not smile, made no effort to look good. So I replied I would prefer a picture where you did not look like you had a promise from a liar, to cut along story short it turns out this women, expected me to want her for her ‘personality’ but she was not concerned about contacting me about my looks, double standards are ripe (most profiles online have this in there too. Now this is not a random case, I witness this stuff A LOT online as well as in the real world.
Women with a none rushed attitude or laid back ideal as if they KNOW they will be gamed and chatted up regardless of the outcome.

I also probe women that say they are single, it turns out there not single they are merely playing the façade, or not wanting a relationship, but they still have had countless offers from suitable guys, which to me is a far bigger ratio then what an average guy would get in the course of him being single for the same time, we are talking about average guys not uber males.

Now you could consider this AFC.

But one does wonder how this would be different if the ratio was 1.5:1 in the mans favour or 3:1 in the mans favour.

All I am saying it seems this country seems to have either:
A balanced ratio of men to women.
A ratio of more men to women
Or a ratio of more women to men.

But judging how other countries with a lopsided ratio of women to men, I don’t see the same traits from women that seem to plague our society.
In conclusion I am a believer that women over here and in the US and possibly Australia are fundamentally spoilt for choice.

Now it would be intresting to see just what the TRUE statistics where, to get some conclusive proof of the above.
At least that way you would know to rise over the masses of average males to become an uber male and improve your chances, but still it does not retract from the fact the average women is fundamentally spoilt.

You only have to talk to a 6 or 7 (scale) women and see most of them have the attitude of a ten in this country and from what I gather the US too.

Being familiar with target rich places I know your game gets easier and you can kiss good by to seduction and tips e.t.c.
The amount of pigs, nerds, geeks and poor quality males I see abroad with hot women makes one wonder if the real reason men have to compete for titles is the fact there are fundamentally too many of us.

Now I would love to be proven wrong, but having gone to a lot of major places in the UK, I always always see a bigger ratio of men to women.

I started frequenting the club scene again with a mate and even there the ratio of men is staggering, it is fundamentally 10 guys for every guy.

I am posting this in the mature section as I would prefer constructive replies and I feel I will get them here.

 

[Victory Unlimited]

Yo Jonwon,




Good Topic! A lot of views but NO responses? No way I'm gonna let you beat MY record, pal! lol

So here goes...

I TOO, have made note of the differences in the mindsets of women from various countries. I took notice of these things during my secret missions-----missions SO "secret" that if I told you about them, the U.S. Government would attempt to disavow them, then seek to slander my war record----Publicly! LOL But I digress....

Around here, in the numerous military training bases of Sosuave, there are many different schools of thought. And one of the biggest schools teaches that completing the mission of getting or "banging" women successfully IS a numbers game.

Now those that subscribe to that philosophy teach that in order to better your chances of getting women, you should approach/TARGET maybe 100 women and if you get 1 or 2 percent of them----that's a good thing. And I understand this, AND agree with it to a certain extent. But there's ALWAYS a negative aspect to this mindset that rarely to NEVER gets addressed around here. And that is the almost TOTAL lack of consideration given to the SCREENING process that goes on during the Battle of the Sexes as men and women try to connect with each other.

Yes Troops, it's STILL true, people look for reasons NOT to date you-----women are especially prone to do this because THEY, as a rule, "turn off" more easily than we do. So taking this into consideration, I believe that the Ratio between men and women is NOT our biggest foe, but the PERCEPTIONS between men and women ARE.

Perception affects reality. And over time, perception BECOMES reality. What do I mean by this? As was mentioned, you've noticed a dfference in the caliber of men that women from other, more NON-European cultures are in relationships with. This COULD be due to the fact the women in THESE cultures have NOT been raised, indoctrinated, and trained that THEY are princesses from birth. And that ANY man should just shut up and FEEL lucky to have them.

Over here, AND in most other Western Countries, women are raised to have a sense of ENTITLEMENT. They are raised that they SHOULD be put on a pedestal like a Barbie Doll. And that they DESERVE the princess treatment REGARDLESS of their character, personality, or even LOOKS.

How often I've noticed in my own community (African-American), that a woman of deficient intelligence, compassion, morality, etc. will STILL have that "I am the SHIIT!" attitude simply because she is in possession of just ONE characteristic that men find desireable----and it's usually physical.

Whether it's a nice rack, butt, lips, or whatever, men who CANNOT resist a woman physically perpetuate this problem for the rest of us due to THEIR addiction to QUICK sexual gratification. And I can't know for sure, and maybe the other soldiers here can chime in, but I SUSPECT that this is the case with the majority of women of the WEST----no matter their particular race.

In contrast, women in OTHER cultures MAY be less picky and less biitchy, while the MEN can AFFORD to be just the opposite. Overseas, in many cultures, women are DEVALUED. And as a result, they are NOT put on a pedestal and the man is more easily thought of as the PRIZE. And furthermore, he doesn't have to BE the Uber Male to get the Hottest Women like he is DRIVEN to be over here in the west.

The women are probably more Help-Meets than Hate-Meets over in those places.

Help-Meets are women you meet that help add value to your life.

Hate-Meets are women who DRAIN the value out of your life to such an extent where you actually HATE you MET their Asses. lol

And as far as how the club scene ratio-thing plays out in Western cultures: To me it ssems that the reason why men SO outnumber the women in venues like that is because of a variety of things. WOMEN "here" are convinced that THEY are the prize, and NOT us. And speaking only in terms of SEX and NOT LTR/Marriage, women, even UNATTRACTIVE women can always get laid quicker and easier than almost ANY average guy.

Maybe it's due to programming, their true natures, or some spiritual circuit breaker that is STILL operating covertly, but most non-slutty WOMEN still don't chase after men OVERTLY. For them, sex is always a whim. But for men in THIS culture especially, sex is always WORK.

No matter how goodlooking the guy is, sometimes he can go to a bar and NOT leave with anyone. But a woman, even an UNATTRACTIVE woman, if she flirts enough and dresses provocatively enough, WILL go home with SOMEONE every time------guarranteed.

And I believe it's all due to the Desperation Factor. When women see so MANY guys in a club (3 guys to 1 girl), the female mind considers this as solid proof of desperation. And because of that, we as men, train these women by our SHOWING of desperation (see----foaming at the mouth like horny/hungry wolves whenever we see them) that they DON'T have to value us, or WORK for us in any way. Add to this, how HARD it is for most guys to do COLD APPROACHES (my SPECIALTY, by the way), and you can see why guys run in herds to the nearest, socially sanctioned "meet market".

As long as women's Princess Entitlement and men's low self esteem fueled by FEAR permeates Western Culture remain locked in place, women can stay passive aggressive while we men CONTINUE to show our desperation by being OVERLY aggressive in the club scene/obvious meet market scenarios.

But in SOME other cultures like you've mentioned, MAYBE all this is REVERSED. Or maybe the ratio COULD be as such where it's all a numbers game, but I DOUBT it.

I tend to think that, at best, the real answer is that THOSE women have a more realistic view of themselves AND the men have a NATURALLY higher sense of self-respect,

AND... IF these men are scarce in physical number TOO-----then that only INCREASES their value to the women who are looking for them.



Peace...one day.

 

[jonwon]

Yo Jonwon,




Good Topic! A lot of views but NO responses? No way I'm gonna let you beat MY record, pal! lol

So here goes...

I TOO, have made note of the differences in the mindsets of women from various countries. I took notice of these things during my secret missions-----missions SO "secret" that if I told you about them, the U.S. Government would attempt to disavow them, then seek to slander my war record----Publicly! LOL But I digress....

Around here, in the numerous military training bases of Sosuave, there are many different schools of thought. And one of the biggest schools teaches that completing the mission of getting or "banging" women successfully IS a numbers game.

Now those that subscribe to that philosophy teach that in order to better your chances of getting women, you should approach/TARGET maybe 100 women and if you get 1 or 2 percent of them----that's a good thing. And I understand this, AND agree with it to a certain extent. But there's ALWAYS a negative aspect to this mindset that rarely to NEVER gets addressed around here. And that is the almost TOTAL lack of consideration given to the SCREENING process that goes on during the Battle of the Sexes as men and women try to connect with each other.

Yes Troops, it's STILL true, people look for reasons NOT to date you-----women are especially prone to do this because THEY, as a rule, "turn off" more easily than we do. So taking this into consideration, I believe that the Ratio between men and women is NOT our biggest foe, but the PERCEPTIONS between men and women ARE.

Perception affects reality. And over time, perception BECOMES reality. What do I mean by this? As was mentioned, you've noticed a dfference in the caliber of men that women from other, more NON-European cultures are in relationships with. This COULD be due to the fact the women in THESE cultures have NOT been raised, indoctrinated, and trained that THEY are princesses from birth. And that ANY man should just shut up and FEEL lucky to have them.

Over here, AND in most other Western Countries, women are raised to have a sense of ENTITLEMENT. They are raised that they SHOULD be put on a pedestal like a Barbie Doll. And that they DESERVE the princess treatment REGARDLESS of their character, personality, or even LOOKS.

How often I've noticed in my own community (African-American), that a woman of deficient intelligence, compassion, morality, etc. will STILL have that "I am the SHIIT!" attitude simply because she is in possession of just ONE characteristic that men find desireable----and it's usually physical.

Whether it's a nice rack, butt, lips, or whatever, men who CANNOT resist a woman physically perpetuate this problem for the rest of us due to THEIR addiction to QUICK sexual gratification. And I can't know for sure, and maybe the other soldiers here can chime in, but I SUSPECT that this is the case with the majority of women of the WEST----no matter their particular race.

In contrast, women in OTHER cultures MAY be less picky and less biitchy, while the MEN can AFFORD to be just the opposite. Overseas, in many cultures, women are DEVALUED. And as a result, they are NOT put on a pedestal and the man is more easily thought of as the PRIZE. And furthermore, he doesn't have to BE the Uber Male to get the Hottest Women like he is DRIVEN to be over here in the west.

The women are probably more Help-Meets than Hate-Meets over in those places.

Help-Meets are women you meet that help add value to your life.

Hate-Meets are women who DRAIN the value out of your life to such an extent where you actually HATE you MET their Asses. lol

And as far as how the club scene ratio-thing plays out in Western cultures: To me it ssems that the reason why men SO outnumber the women in venues like that is because of a variety of things. WOMEN "here" are convinced that THEY are the prize, and NOT us. And speaking only in terms of SEX and NOT LTR/Marriage, women, even UNATTRACTIVE women can always get laid quicker and easier than almost ANY average guy.

Maybe it's due to programming, their true natures, or some spiritual circuit breaker that is STILL operating covertly, but most non-slutty WOMEN still don't chase after men OVERTLY. For them, sex is always a whim. But for men in THIS culture especially, sex is always WORK.

No matter how goodlooking the guy is, sometimes he can go to a bar and NOT leave with anyone. But a woman, even an UNATTRACTIVE woman, if she flirts enough and dresses provocatively enough, WILL go home with SOMEONE every time------guarranteed.

And I believe it's all due to the Desperation Factor. When women see so MANY guys in a club (3 guys to 1 girl), the female mind considers this as solid proof of desperation. And because of that, we as men, train these women by our SHOWING of desperation (see----foaming at the mouth like horny/hungry wolves whenever we see them) that they DON'T have to value us, or WORK for us in any way. Add to this, how HARD it is for most guys to do COLD APPROACHES (my SPECIALTY, by the way), and you can see why guys run in herds to the nearest, socially sanctioned "meet market".

As long as women's Princess Entitlement and men's low self esteem fueled by FEAR permeates Western Culture remain locked in place, women can stay passive aggressive while we men CONTINUE to show our desperation by being OVERLY aggressive in the club scene/obvious meet market scenarios.

But in SOME other cultures like you've mentioned, MAYBE all this is REVERSED. Or maybe the ratio COULD be as such where it's all a numbers game, but I DOUBT it.

I tend to think that, at best, the real answer is that THOSE women have a more realistic view of themselves AND the men have a NATURALLY higher sense of self-respect,

AND... IF these men are scarce in physical number TOO-----then that only INCREASES their value to the women who are looking for them.



Peace...one day.

Quality post again victory, thanks for the input you have made a new angle on the thread and covered alot.

There are some very good points.

But i cant help thinking of some interactions i have had with hot women from other contry's coming here.

I mean talking to some of the women you can tell the roll is reversed, the women in general are really hot.

This is what one women i was dating said, she was a size 10 6foot blonde, she turned heads where ever we went.

She told me she hated going back home since the women are all ATTRACTIVE stunning all of them she said, she said she loves it here in the UK since the average women is about a size 12+ and she feels super attractive, she also tells me there is a lack of men where she comes from.

But i see this so many times, so many times.

One only has to go to greece and see women from other parts of Europe, stunning behond words walking around with very plain average even huge fat guys, where over here a GL guy is seen walking around with a fat plain or average women.

I do believe in roll reversal, i understand the point about values and something i did not consider, but also i am uncertain if there is more and this is why i am hoping guys will respond and put there take on it and in that we can at least come to some conclusion with wtf is REALLY going on in this picture.

Thanks for more input and some more stuff to think about.

lets get more respones in here please and come to some solid conclusion since this is an area i have yet to fully embrace or understand.

 

[Latinoman]

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=431

UK statistics.

You are reading those statistics wrong. Take a closer look at the numbers that truly matter: 20 to 35.

And you will see that both are about DEAD even! In fact, you might find a slighter higher amount of women than male in the 25-28 group.

Forget about anything below 20 and anything above 35 (unless you are in your mid 40s+).

 

[Victory Unlimited]

Yo,



I'm not sure what the U.S. men/women ratio stats are. And I'm also not sure WHICH stats would be actually be considered valid.

But do you think that the number of women we personally SEE could be so OFF to US because the "good ones" are taken, and the "unattractive ones" are virtually INVISIBLE to the average man????

Wow...

When it comes to data and statitistcs, where the heck is BOB COSTAS when we NEED him!!!!????? LOL

 

[jonwon]

Look i know it sounds far out.

But this is not something that as been simply dragged up out of thin air, i undersatnd the points posted and trust me i have evaluated and measured them against my experiance.

Now i could run a list of name's, off about good looking, career focused, solid guys, guys that want to get married, want to find the one and settle down, man i can think off so many it is unreal.

There not the typical AFC type these guys are attractive normal guys! All single and have been for a very long time, they get ZERO attention and when they do its normally some fat chick.

Now i have read studies about the effects of ratio to sex's in other cultures, there is a very negative effect happening in Africa, there as been a drive to breed males over there and it is starting to have an effect of 15% more men then women. The social structure is showing signs and people predict it is going to get worse as more men over there find themself partner-less and women-less as there are only so many to go around, which is having a knock on effect in the form of crime e.t.c.

Now on a scale of our society it is hard to make a positive evaluation on either scale, but there is evidence to back up my theory then there is evidence against it. Now there is also a study to look at the effects of female top heavy society's and it has illustrated women are aggressive in the dating game and men can usually have multiple partners . It as also been debated WHY women and men are normally at a lvl ratio wise when it is fundimentally better to have MORE women then men, since men can produce sperm almost on tap where as women can produce 1 egg per cycle! Worth thinking about.

Now waigh that up with our social foundation, well it seems to me the average women or a women of value i.e above a 9 is dam rare in this country they are elevated to levels that simply would not exist in other cultures, simply due to:

The women are in general more: attractive, feminine and desirable, plus lets not even talk about girth or width.
Women over here are normally 12+ stone bigger with an attitude of a 10.

Now i dont find this when i go abroad and meet or see chicks from other countries, places where i hear the ratio is alot in the mans favour.

Also another incident i was in a bar on holiday, two blonde attractive women gave me the eye, so i sat next to them and they where no word of a lie fighting for my attention, it turned out these two women where dutch and they where saying again 'there are no men where they live' and i got off with one and walked them back to there room, arms around them both and the other was saying 'why cant i meet guys like you, i have been single for 3 years' 3 years this chick was single 3 fuc*ing years. She puts most women over here to shame.

I have never had that over here, instead you get some fat as* chick thinking you owe her some sort of favour! I may be blowing it out of porportion but it really hits you when you cross the waters, if you are not sure what i mean or where i am coming from then i suggest you go look for yourselves.

Ratio plays a roll in this!

As well as other things.

Also i dont fully trust those statistics either.

Do you see Eurpean Guys on these forums?
Do you see European Guys asking for PUA tips and routines?

Also take this site dress it in pink and have it so women are talking about HOW TO PICK UP MEN by being more of a WOMEN since to me that is WHATS going on in some countries.

 

[treefingers]

I agree with your sentiment jon. I too have noticed similar things. But I am not sure what exactly the cause is and what are the correlations that can be confused for causes. There are, after all, so many variables.




Note,


Sex ratio male/female :

Greece 15-64 years: 1 male(s)/female (2005)
Holland 15-64 years: 1.03 male(s)/female (2005)
UK 15-64 years: 1.02 male(s)/female (2005)
US 15-64 years: 1 male(s)/female (2005)


Those figures are from the CIA world factbook


So you mentioned those two pretty dutch girls that hadn't found a man in 3 years. Well holland actually might have a worse sex ratio than britain as you can see. So it is hard to say what is going on here.



By the way, we DO have several members here that are europeans. We also have some russians here also, and russia has a pretty dramatic sex ratio that favors men.

 

[treefingers]

Now there is also a study to look at the effects of female top heavy society's .

Can you point me to this study? I would be interested in reading it.

 

[jonwon]

Can you point me to this study? I would be interested in reading it.

I will see if i can dig some aritcles out.

The thing about having other nationaility's over here was never really thought about until.

I read some guys blog about experiences he has seen as well as his mates about meeting women abroad and marrying them then bringing them over to there country.
Mainly America, well he says these guys notice a change in the women behaviour, they get in-doctrine into the norms and before they know it there partner is simply another chick that they where trying to avoid, hence the guy faces a divorce and the women is eligible for the assets.

Ok looks like we are getting a new spin on this, law in different countries and what effect it as in relation to women and men, this is not law v’s 3rd world this is how different it is culturally? There seems to be many variables.

So far we have what I proposed a high % of males, or a higher % of males stepping out of there front door.
Perceptions on reality in relation to social norms differencing between cultures, with women over here less feminine, due to there ideal of princess theory and pedestal ideal, where as European women are more feminine and don’t worry about embracing there natural feminine ideals as well as not trying to compete with males.
Now we have LAW and how it effects the structure, where women seem to be at an advantage, but how different is this from other countries that seem to produce on average better quality women.
Culture: It is clear women over here are ingrained to the materialistic, money ideal and culture, the ‘must earn money or at least have money’, does this rule still apply in other countries. I once met a girl who I dated briefly I cant remember form where, I told her I wanted to be rich, she told me why would you want to do that, it does not buy you happiness, why would you peruse that and not peruse happiness (this was a foreign women again), do you hear this from the average Western women?

Now the thread is taking a new twist and this is what I was after, more ideas to try to lock down:
Why are women from other countries of a HIGHER quality on average then women over HERE or in Westernized civilisations.

Now the people who an answer this better to me are not scientists or researchers it is guys like you and me that have played this stuff for years, live and breath this stuff and watch the degradation of the female feminine species around us as men seem to be suffering more and more, which when compared to other women really illustrates the level of degradation of the average women over here to the average women over there.

Lithuania, a women I met from there was one I described above, she lived with two girls, both working! The amount of men that where around these girls where unreal, all attractive all feminine grace and what they told me was virtually all women are like them over there and they love coming here since they feel super attractive and men flock to them. This girl got chatted up a lot, she said she was average where she came from. Its like flipping the coin, it’s the only way I can describe it.

All I know is guys in other countries don’t worry about cheap tricks, how to be ALPHA how to have this, how to have that, the women are better, more feminine, more attractive.

i would like ideas on why women over in other countries on average are of a better female quality then the average women over here.

 

[jonwon]

ok this seems rather intresting.

http://uk.askmen.com/fashion/travel_top_ten_100/106_travel_top_ten.html
i will add more, i found a few yesterday and in the past but read them and not saved the links.

Studies e.t.c

Bulgaria:
The ratio of women per 1,000 men was 1,114 and the rate of population ageing was 100.3. The birth rate per 1000 people was 7.9 and steadily declining in the last 15 years, the death rate reaching 12.2 and growing. The population was declining by 4.3 per cent. However, considerable immigration to the capital from poorer regions of the country, as well as urbanization, are the reason Sofia's population is in practice increasing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sofia

 

[jonwon]

Now this is fascinating reading

http://www.harpers.org/AForeignAffair.html
Ukrain women.

Ratio 84:100 (men 84, women 100).

These are not American women,” our guide was telling us. “They do not care about your age, looks, or money. And you are not going to have to talk to them for half an hour and then have your testicles handed back to you! Let me tell you: over here, you're the commodity; you're the piece of meat. I've lived in St. Petersburg for two years, and I wouldn't date an American woman right now if you paid me!”


Makes one wonder why we try so fuc*ing hard>?

quote
He warned us that he had seen it many times: men whose confidence had been so trampled upon by American women that they could no longer comprehend that they were worthy of stunning, intelligent, and much younger women. As if that were not enough, skipping the events would also be taken by Ukranian women as a sign of weakness"

Quote:
the population has grown so out of balance thanks to war and a short life expectancy for males that there simply aren't enough of them to go around; how men, in fact, are so scarce that more and more Ukrainian women are turning to lesbianism, so starved are they for sexual satisfaction."

Quote:
one includes the man who was engaged to three different women. "


Now this is ONE place ONE place and what do we get?

Some fat chick with her head up her back crac* or some average 7 with an attitude like she is a queen? sorry but the amount of rubbish it seems the average male as to put up with in the western world is hard to understand, especcially considering whats available from a few hours journey.

 

[WaterTiger]

Put 9 men and 9 women on an island, a year later you have 9 children.

Put ONE man and 9 women on an island, a year later you STILL have 9 children.

 

[jonwon]

Put 9 men and 9 women on an island, a year later you have 9 children.

Put ONE man and 9 women on an island, a year later you STILL have 9 children.

Put nine men and 1 women on an island and you have a WAR!

or seduction tips, AFC moves, bulking up, e.t.c or they can just kill each other.

No way are 9 men going to fuc* one women! I think they will resort to warfare tactics first.

But at least on this small scale you can see the ratio.

 

[Latinoman]

Very fascinating reading...especially about the Eastern Europe women.

Something to consider for the future when I'm gray and old or tired of the BS.

 

[Victory Unlimited]

Yo Jon,


Some interesting stuff you just DUG UP. Lol

Yeah, and some of that stuff is what I was trying to get at in my first post on this thread. Maybe women in western civilization are just as HARD and UNYIELDING as the politics of INDUSTRY that drive our particular cultures.

And another thing about WATERTIGER'S post about what would happen if you put 9 men and 9 women on an Island, I think if these castaways were from WESTERN culture, that there WOULD be 9 pregnancies a year later.

But the only thing is...they'd mostly all be fathered by ONLY one or two of the guys. Why? Because here in the west, people are brainwashed from birth to accept a particular kind of "value" system. And that value system is transmitted to us daily by the media, and it is ALWAYS a compelling, perpetual message calling for us to pursue ONLY our SELF INTEREST.

Buy THIS product and you'll be the shiit. Wear THESE clothes and you'll be the shiit! ACT like THESE people act and you'll be the shiit. There's a reason why they call it televison "PROGRAMMING"...

Here, on THIS side of the world where CAPITALISM rules, there ARE no citizens-----just CONSUMERS. The media, and our friends and family who are INDOCTRINATED by the media, are ON A MISSION to break us down and build us back up----THEIR WAY.

There are 3 gateways into the human SOUL (the soul defined as our MIND, our WILL, and our EMOTIONS). And through these three entrance points, THE WORLD seeks to enter and exert it's influence. The entrance points are THE EYES, THE EARS, and our own MOUTHS.

Who we are, and the choices we make are greatly dependent on what we SEE, what we HEAR, and what concepts we embrace by PARROTING with our mouths (thus ACTIVELY programming OURSELVES).

In a lot of ways,we live in an ORWELLIAN nightmare come to life. THEY tell what to do. THEY tell us how to feel. THEY tell us what's IMPORTANT. And THEY tell us what's NOT.

Now, how THIS applies to the topic:

The reason why most of those 9 women would all have the same "baby's daddy" is because they have been SOLD a busted bag of goods. As fellow CONSUMERS, women have had the fires of their Basest natures stoked and fanned to such an extent where they have been programmed to ONLY want what they've been TOLD by their society they want. I believe that a lot of things have an artificially inflated VALUE rather than a naturally occurring one.

My GUESStimation is that they would go for the guy that they've been indoctrinated to believe is the most DESIREABLE by the WESTERN culture: The guy who EVERYBODY else wants----whatever THAT culture has TOLD them that is. And I’m sure some will simply chalk it ALL up to genetics, and I can agree with that, but only PARTIALLY. But to mark it ALL up to something genetic, then the effects of the differences between cultural mindsets of women would have to be thrown out ENTIRELY.

Why? Because a lot of women in the west are not looking for true fulfillment, or to GIVE. But rather, they are looking for immediate emotional stimulation, immediate financial gratification, and most importantly IMMEDIATE ENTERTAINMENT---they are ONLY looking to TAKE.

Think about it. Over here, even in High School, all the chicks gravitated to a particular (see---POPULAR) guy. Everybody ELSE wanted him, so their programming made THEM want him too. And we KNOW that this artificially programmed response is NOT just a female thing either. There’s a reason why SOME guys hold Angelina Jolie’s lips and Beyonce’s Ass up as the desirable standard-----it’s because “THEY” told us that they were!. So many of those girls would would rather TAKE scraps from the POPULAR guy than GIVE any love to an UNPOPULAR guy. Because our culture has bred a society built on a subliminal form of Narcissism. It’s hard as hell to connect with a woman without true merit who STILL thinks of herself as a TEN.

That's the REAL reason why men over here have to learn "tricks" to manipulate a woman emotionally. And why they have to AT LEAST have the appearance of MONEY or STATUS. And that’s also why they must keep coming up with NEW tricks to keep the woman from being BORED. And the consequence of fighting SO hard against this law of diminishing returns is that men create a BRAND NEW MATRIX for themselves----A MATRIX that blinds men from the reality that their lives would be much more fulfilled by cultivating THEMSELVES, rather than JUST women.

SO aside from the OBVIOUS physical statistics, maybe the man/woman ratio is also impacted by the simple fact that Western Women are stereotypically cultivated to be TAKERS, while some other cultures produce women who are GIVERS.

Isn’t it some sort of economic measuring stick that says that ONE characteristic of a thing of value is that it’s NOT so readily available---SCARCE? I wonder, HOW MANY of those Ukrainian women would stand up on a podium and proudly shout “I don’t NEED a man”, like some of our beloved Western Women do so often?

 

[jonwon]

Yo Jon,


Some interesting stuff you just DUG UP. Lol

Yeah, and some of that stuff is what I was trying to get at in my first post on this thread. Maybe women in western civilization are just as HARD and UNYIELDING as the politics of INDUSTRY that drive our particular cultures.

And another thing about WATERTIGER'S post about what would happen if you put 9 men and 9 women on an Island, I think if these castaways were from WESTERN culture, that there WOULD be 9 pregnancies a year later.

But the only thing is...they'd mostly all be fathered by ONLY one or two of the guys. Why? Because here in the west, people are brainwashed from birth to accept a particular kind of "value" system. And that value system is transmitted to us daily by the media, and it is ALWAYS a compelling, perpetual message calling for us to pursue ONLY our SELF INTEREST.

Buy THIS product and you'll be the shiit. Wear THESE clothes and you'll be the shiit! ACT like THESE people act and you'll be the shiit. There's a reason why they call it televison "PROGRAMMING"...

Here, on THIS side of the world where CAPITALISM rules, there ARE no citizens-----just CONSUMERS. The media, and our friends and family who are INDOCTRINATED by the media, are ON A MISSION to break us down and build us back up----THEIR WAY.

There are 3 gateways into the human SOUL (the soul defined as our MIND, our WILL, and our EMOTIONS). And through these three entrance points, THE WORLD seeks to enter and exert it's influence. The entrance points are THE EYES, THE EARS, and our own MOUTHS.

Who we are, and the choices we make are greatly dependent on what we SEE, what we HEAR, and what concepts we embrace by PARROTING with our mouths (thus ACTIVELY programming OURSELVES).

In a lot of ways,we live in an ORWELLIAN nightmare come to life. THEY tell what to do. THEY tell us how to feel. THEY tell us what's IMPORTANT. And THEY tell us what's NOT.

Now, how THIS applies to the topic:

The reason why most of those 9 women would all have the same "baby's daddy" is because they have been SOLD a busted bag of goods. As fellow CONSUMERS, women have had the fires of their Basest natures stoked and fanned to such an extent where they have been programmed to ONLY want what they've been TOLD by their society they want. I believe that a lot of things have an artificially inflated VALUE rather than a naturally occurring one.

My GUESStimation is that they would go for the guy that they've been indoctrinated to believe is the most DESIREABLE by the WESTERN culture: The guy who EVERYBODY else wants----whatever THAT culture has TOLD them that is. And I’m sure some will simply chalk it ALL up to genetics, and I can agree with that, but only PARTIALLY. But to mark it ALL up to something genetic, then the effects of the differences between cultural mindsets of women would have to be thrown out ENTIRELY.

Why? Because a lot of women in the west are not looking for true fulfillment, or to GIVE. But rather, they are looking for immediate emotional stimulation, immediate financial gratification, and most importantly IMMEDIATE ENTERTAINMENT---they are ONLY looking to TAKE.

Think about it. Over here, even in High School, all the chicks gravitated to a particular (see---POPULAR) guy. Everybody ELSE wanted him, so their programming made THEM want him too. And we KNOW that this artificially programmed response is NOT just a female thing either. There’s a reason why SOME guys hold Angelina Jolie’s lips and Beyonce’s Ass up as the desirable standard-----it’s because “THEY” told us that they were!. So many of those girls would would rather TAKE scraps from the POPULAR guy than GIVE any love to an UNPOPULAR guy. Because our culture has bred a society built on a subliminal form of Narcissism. It’s hard as hell to connect with a woman without true merit who STILL thinks of herself as a TEN.

That's the REAL reason why men over here have to learn "tricks" to manipulate a woman emotionally. And why they have to AT LEAST have the appearance of MONEY or STATUS. And that’s also why they must keep coming up with NEW tricks to keep the woman from being BORED. And the consequence of fighting SO hard against this law of diminishing returns is that men create a BRAND NEW MATRIX for themselves----A MATRIX that blinds men from the reality that their lives would be much more fulfilled by cultivating THEMSELVES, rather than JUST women.

SO aside from the OBVIOUS physical statistics, maybe the man/woman ratio is also impacted by the simple fact that Western Women are stereotypically cultivated to be TAKERS, while some other cultures produce women who are GIVERS.

Isn’t it some sort of economic measuring stick that says that ONE characteristic of a thing of value is that it’s NOT so readily available---SCARCE? I wonder, HOW MANY of those Ukrainian women would stand up on a podium and proudly shout “I don’t NEED a man”, like some of our beloved Western Women do so often?

could not have said it better myself man, nice post.

So we see media control, materialistic ideal, money worship, gloryfying they rich and the famous, it is women that buy the mags about famous people, it is women who concern themselves with the latest fashion fad and who brad or britney are dating, men dont really give a shi* or if we do its to make conversation.
(seems to me society is controlled by how you can manipulate the female species then the men just simply slot in).


I hear you and i agree 100% with it.

Will more post there take on this?

Lets get it all out in the open, i see some have been posted before but is there a thread that tackles what is going on in the western culture to cover as many angles as possible? if there is post me a link, i want to read it.

Women dont seem to care about conspiracy, media control, they dont even see it, there are the true indocterined species of this planet from what i can see, this is an average, men usually question the world around them women simply follow the trend.

 

[Phyzzle]

Part of the explanation

Are the even ratio statistics in Anglo-America really just fabricated by a lazy researcher? It sure seems like it, when you go out into the real world and start counting the # of single guys vs single girls.

The only explanation I can think, is that morbidly obese people are pretty much out of the dating picture. Obeseity is more prevalent among females. 34% for females, compared to 28% for males.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv.fcgi?rid=healthus05.table.421

So, among people in the American "meet market", there really are 1.1 males per female. It's not all in your head.

Sometimes, I do notice the 3:1 ratio in pubs. But when you go to TORTUROUSLY LOUD clubs, you find a much better ratio, often more girls than guys. Unfortunately, 21 year old hotties adore these places, where most guys can't stand them. A lot of these young chicks just aren't available, because they aren't interested in LTR's at their age (I've heard college chicks complain about how they're sick of guys wanting to be their bf.) A lot of these girls are off the market, except for the occasional ONS. They go to class, go to clubs, nurse their hangovers, and that's it. Whereas all the guys their age are looking.

That's my explanation of the huge gap between statistical fact, and the real ratio we see. Any thoughts?

 

[S.S.N. 318]

...if thats the case I rather move to the Islands, Europe, or Japan....and never comming back 2 da U.S. Cuz these chick attitudes getting worse by the minute. Especailly in Monroe, La cuzz....fa realz....

 

[jonwon]

Are the even ratio statistics in Anglo-America really just fabricated by a lazy researcher? It sure seems like it, when you go out into the real world and start counting the # of single guys vs single girls.

The only explanation I can think, is that morbidly obese people are pretty much out of the dating picture. Obeseity is more prevalent among females. 34% for females, compared to 28% for males.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv.fcgi?rid=healthus05.table.421

So, among people in the American "meet market", there really are 1.1 males per female. It's not all in your head.

Sometimes, I do notice the 3:1 ratio in pubs. But when you go to TORTUROUSLY LOUD clubs, you find a much better ratio, often more girls than guys. Unfortunately, 21 year old hotties adore these places, where most guys can't stand them. A lot of these young chicks just aren't available, because they aren't interested in LTR's at their age (I've heard college chicks complain about how they're sick of guys wanting to be their bf.) A lot of these girls are off the market, except for the occasional ONS. They go to class, go to clubs, nurse their hangovers, and that's it. Whereas all the guys their age are looking.

That's my explanation of the huge gap between statistical fact, and the real ratio we see. Any thoughts?

Possibly, locations do play a major roll and maybe the places a lot of guys congregate are simply male pursuits, but we are talking about bars/clubs social venues as an average based on purely granted my experience (though granted a place in Yorkshire called York is usually full of loads of women).

I wondered if it was to do with women not liking the bar scene or women settling down and not ‘going out’ as much, was one theory a guy I know came up with, but I have no reason to see that as truth as, as far as I know Married women and GF go out just as much as BF or Husbands do! So still I cant understand why there are more males then females on average in most places where I have been. You can start to think some bizarre conclusions to why, women on there cycle mass cycle, women are married (again falling into the women don’t do that trap) or simply some other weird scenario.

All I know is on average when I go out there are more guys then girls and I find it an obstacle, I will admit I do, since going out to target rich places makes it so much easier its almost like a new world. But where I come from the average guy’s are usually confident and they DO approach women, its not the picture of men supping pints and burying there heads in there pints, I can go some nights observing some women opened up countless times. Now some players/DJ’s e.t.c would state don’t worry about the other men, you have a better understanding, yes I do have a higher understanding of the interaction and how to game her, but still this is like stating most women are of high value and sadly most are not, granted there are the exception but when you in a bar and a lot of the guys are players, playing it cool, the poor quality girls get weeded out, you can see a lot of the player relaxed dudes are now competing with what I call the Dregs, what some would call the quality.

It seems in Target poor environments the odds are heavily stacked against a guy, granted you can learn and practice skills, but this is only paramount to the level of quality your gaming and I have seen women being responsive to the most weirdest shi* imaginable, so in that its all well and good learning tips and tricks and routines but it means nothing when the chicks know they have the choice out of any man and they then can be passive aggressive in there pursuits.

Ok a phenomenon I have witness: if you want it easier then go to bars that resemble the Ukrain, target heavy, target against is like a coc8 fight and sometimes even the most dedicated DJ cant muster the be arse* factor to compete, I know I cant. But when it is target heavy, you just cant help yourself.

Also it seems women are outlasting men in schools, some say it the metriachal system catering to women so girls have a better advantage then boys, so university's are on average more female dominent, oh to be a student and knock a few years off.#

I never considered Fat, but considering the average women over here is about a 12 i can almost totally see the point.

 

[RogueWarrior]

When I was in college, the dorm I was living in had an 8 to 1 female to male ratio. I used to say that some guy must have sixteen of them.