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[cordoncordon]

8-9

Pros: Body is great (only 5'10, 145 but have 6 pack, large chest, large arms, back muscles), decent face, athletic, confident, always find a way to have a good time, smart, adventurous, hardworking

Cons: can get quiet in some situations, relationship with my gf is ****ty right now

Dude if you are 5'10" and 145, you are anorexic. I mean lets be real here. My Asian gf, who is very petite, is 5'5" and 115, AND SHE LIFTS-no extra fat on her at all. So for you to only weigh 30 more pounds then her when you are 5 inches taller?? That is insanely skinny.

I am 6 feet tall, 198 pounds, and I lift 6 days a week. Deadlift 350 pounds for reps and dumbbell flat press 110 pounds for reps each arm. I am at the gym at least an hour and a half a day. And I would have what most would call a pretty ripped body. And I am 50 more pounds than you dude. 50 pounds!

I really think, and this is pretty common among society, that people way overestimate their looks and body appearance. What many here are calling a 7-8 is probably a 4-5 IRL.

For example expos I am not singling you out, but I remember the pic you posted this spring I believe. You are rail thin dude. Almost anorexic looking as well. Unless a girl has a certain taste for that kind of thing, most girls are not going to consider you a 7-8. Not trying to put you down, just telling it like it is. You need to lift, and lift some more, and eat eat eat, add 30-40 pounds, and then I would say that a 7-8 is what most girls would consider you to be.

Here is a pic of me (purposely blurry) of what 6 feet 190 looks like. This was taken a few years ago. I am actually around 198 now and I lift 25% more than when that pic was taken.

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/9036/krcc.jpg

 

[JoeMarron]

Dude if you are 5'10" and 145, you are anorexic. I mean lets be real here. My Asian gf, who is very petite, is 5'5" and 115, AND SHE LIFTS-no extra fat on her at all. So for you to only weigh 30 more pounds then her when you are 5 inches taller?? That is insanely skinny.

I am 6 feet tall, 198 pounds, and I lift 6 days a week. Deadlift 350 pounds for reps and dumbbell flat press 110 pounds for reps each arm. I am at the gym at least an hour and a half a day. And I would have what most would call a pretty ripped body. And I am 50 more pounds than you dude. 50 pounds!

I really think, and this is pretty common among society, that people way overestimate their looks and body appearance. What many here are calling a 7-8 is probably a 4-5 IRL.

For example expos I am not singling you out, but I remember the pic you posted this spring I believe. You are rail thin dude. Almost anorexic looking as well. Unless a girl has a certain taste of that, most girls are not going to consider you a 7-8. Not trying to put you down, just telling it like it is. You need to lift, and lift some more, and eat eat eat, add 30-40 pounds, and then I would say that a 7-8 is what most girls would consider you to be.

Here is a pic of me (purposely blurry) of what 6 feet 190 looks like. This was taken a few years ago. I am actually around 198 now and I lift 25% more than when that pic was taken.

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/9036/krcc.jpg

Lol if he's anorexic then I must be skeletal. I'm 6'1ish and around the same weight. I see skinny dudes with hot chicks all the time. Facial aesthetics matter a whole lot more than muscles. The skinny dude with a 10 face is always gonna be seen as more attractive than the ripped dude with a 5 face.

 

[cordoncordon]

Lol if he's anorexic then I must be skeletal. I'm 6'1ish and around the same weight. I see skinny dudes with hot chicks all the time. Facial aesthetics matter a whole lot more than muscles. The skinny dude with a 10 face is always gonna be seen as more attractive than the ripped dude with a 5 face.

Oh no doubt that there are certain women that go for the super skinny look. Especially if the guy is an artist or a band member or something like that. I guess you could say emo. But for the most part, women prefer a ripped, in shape body most of all. I am not say you are muscular to the point of excess, but an athletic, toned, ripped body is by far the most coveted.


IF you are 6'1" and 145 pounds. Bro....do you even lift? You really should start. That is just way too skinny. Add 30-40 pounds and I bet would you be shocked at the amount of play you get. You have the height, but you need the weight.

As far as the skinny/10 face or the 5/ripped body? 90% of the time the skinny guy is going to be gay in that case, and if he isn't gay, everyone will assume he is.

 

[Chamber36]

Over 9000!!!!:yes:

 

[expos]

For example expos I am not singling you out, but I remember the pic you posted this spring I believe. You are rail thin dude. Almost anorexic looking as well. Unless a girl has a certain taste for that kind of thing, most girls are not going to consider you a 7-8. Not trying to put you down, just telling it like it is. You need to lift, and lift some more, and eat eat eat, add 30-40 pounds, and then I would say that a 7-8 is what most girls would consider you to be.

None taken....I looked AWFUL. I was like 5 there, seriously. I was in middle of a terrible depression and could not eat. I took a photo of that day to remember how low I sunk in my life. I was 154 lbs there. I'm 169-172 right now and look so much better....

 

[cordoncordon]

None taken....I looked AWFUL. I was like 5 there, seriously. I was in middle of a terrible depression and could not eat. I took a photo of that day to remember how low I sunk in my life. I was 154 lbs there. I'm 169-172 right now and look so much better....

That is great to hear!

 

[Married Buried]

Oh no doubt that there are certain women that go for the super skinny look. Especially if the guy is an artist or a band member or something like that. I guess you could say emo. But for the most part, women prefer a ripped, in shape body most of all. I am not say you are muscular to the point of excess, but an athletic, toned, ripped body is by far the most coveted.


IF you are 6'1" and 145 pounds. Bro....do you even lift? You really should start. That is just way too skinny. Add 30-40 pounds and I bet would you be shocked at the amount of play you get. You have the height, but you need the weight.

As far as the skinny/10 face or the 5/ripped body? 90% of the time the skinny guy is going to be gay in that case, and if he isn't gay, everyone will assume he is.

Cordon, WTF are you babbling about? Look at this guy. He is 6 feet 145. Stop talking out of your ass. It seems if you don't look exactly like Cordon, you are a skinny freak. Get over yourself dude.

http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/2011/06/maybe-you-should-stop-trying-to-be.html

There are many other things that also influence body weight, such as the length of arms and legs, bone density, organ mass, as well as the amount of glycogen and water stored throughout the body. As a result, you can weigh a lot less than you think you should weigh, and look very good. The photo below (from MMAjunkie.com) is of Donald Cerrone, weighing in at 145 lbs. He is 6 ft (183 cm) tall.


Mr. Cerrone is a professional mixed martial arts (MMA) fighter from Texas; one of the best in professional MMA at the moment. Yes, he is a bit dehydrated on the photo above. But also keep in mind that his bone density is probably well above that of the average person, like that of most MMA fighters, which pushes his weight up.

A man can be 6 ft tall, weigh 145 lbs, and be very healthy and look very good. That may well be his ideal weight. A woman may be 5’5”, weigh 145 lbs, and also be very healthy and look very good. Figuring out the optimal is not easy, but trying to be someone you are not will probably be a losing battle.

Donald Cerrone could most likely whip your ass.

 

[floydb25]

Ha! I used to be 5'10, 145 lbs. Had more success with women than ever, 'cause all they care about is "hot". And it IS all in the face. But I wasn't skin and bones... had a pretty decent build, actually. Not buff or athletic, but chicks didn't care. They liked the face, broad shoulders, and nice ass. Plus a great appearance.

The problem with Con's theory - and yes, I'm turning it around on you, sir - is that, like a lot of guys out there, he thinks he KNOWS what women want and find attractive. Guys used to say all sorts of **** about me, because I was skinny, passive, and non-threatening. And colored in a predominantly white area. They'd say I wasn't good looking; I'm beneath them; blah blah. But chicks went nuts. Received more compliments, attention, and sexual advances than they could ever get in their lives... without having to do anything, or approach anyone.

These guys - and it was mostly German Americans up there - were all bigger, tougher, meaner, more assertive and aggressive... but they didn't have great looks, no personality or wit, couldn't relate well to others... nothing women found attractive... all they could do was talk ****, compete, and bully.

Personally, I never rated myself, compared to other guys, or let them judge and rate me. Whenever they did - and it was damn near all the time, on their own accord - they were dead wrong, AND couldn't attract any women themselves. They didn't know **** about who was in my "league", and so forth. ****, EVERYTHING they said was a complete 180 from what women would say - at the exact same time. Though I highly suspect there was a lot of ego, competition, down-sizing, and jealousy involved. People don't attack, compare, belittle, and compete for no reason, eh?

 

[TheStig]

obviously I'm a 10

pros: everything

cons: nothing

lol

 

[zinc4]

10 out of 10...and..if a chick can't see my greatness that is her problem...

 

[synergy1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overconfidence_effect

 

[TheException]

Cordon, WTF are you babbling about? Look at this guy. He is 6 feet 145. Stop talking out of your ass. It seems if you don't look exactly like Cordon, you are a skinny freak. Get over yourself dude.

http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com...ing-to-be.html

Cordon has it right. You guys arguing against him have got to kidding me right?

First of all Malice...your example is flawed. Thats a damn MMA fighter. There weights are extreme and they yo yo diet like crazy to get to as close to 0% bodyfat as possible. Not one person on this board has as much muscle while maintaining below 10% body fat. Its an outlier. Being a normal person, being 6'1 145lbs is pretty bad. From height alone you should be near 170lbs. Get in the gym and lift. There are only positives to doing so.

And it IS all in the face.

The problem with Con's theory - and yes, I'm turning it around on you, sir - is that, like a lot of guys out there, he thinks he KNOWS what women want and find attractive. Guys used to say all sorts of **** about me, because I was skinny, passive, and non-threatening.

Its all in the face? Lol....

You throw accusations at cordon for "not knowing what attracts women" while you yourself, claim "its all in the face". A pretty face has minimal effect on whether a woman finds you attractive. Even if that were true....why not be a man with a pretty face + muscles/ripped physique? The main concept with the gym is the passion that ensues. If a woman can see how dedicated you are, and how much it means to you, to get in the gym, workout and stay healthy....thats what makes her wet.

Dedication to gym = Dedication to career

Both make women wet.

 

[Married Buried]

Cordon, WTF are you babbling about? Look at this guy. He is 6 feet 145. Stop talking out of your ass. It seems if you don't look exactly like Cordon, you are a skinny freak. Get over yourself dude.

http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com...ing-to-be.html

Cordon has it right. You guys arguing against him have got to kidding me right?

I really don't give a ****. I am 6 feet, 190. I was just making the point that those skinny guys could possibly be in good shape.

 

[JoeMarron]

Oh no doubt that there are certain women that go for the super skinny look. Especially if the guy is an artist or a band member or something like that. I guess you could say emo. But for the most part, women prefer a ripped, in shape body most of all. I am not say you are muscular to the point of excess, but an athletic, toned, ripped body is by far the most coveted.


IF you are 6'1" and 145 pounds. Bro....do you even lift? You really should start. That is just way too skinny. Add 30-40 pounds and I bet would you be shocked at the amount of play you get. You have the height, but you need the weight.

As far as the skinny/10 face or the 5/ripped body? 90% of the time the skinny guy is going to be gay in that case, and if he isn't gay, everyone will assume he is.

Yes all other things being equal the ripped dude is gonna beat out the skinny dude all the time. However, a woman is gonna choose the man with the attractive face over the ugly face, just like men would. I'm sure you would rather be with a chick with a beautiful face and a decent body over one with an ugly face and a hot body. My point was that you can't say someone isn't a 7-8 just because they're skinny. Being skinny isn't nearly as much of a hit on attractiveness as being obese. As a matter of fact I'd argue that it has a neutral effect. Like I said facial aesthetics carry a significant amount of weight. Posture, style, body language, mannerisms etc. are also important factors. Look on the bodybuilding.com forums and you'll see plenty of dudes whining about their muscles not helping them get any play. If they had good facial aesthetics they would have fewer issues.

Nah bro I don't even lift. I agree that its too skinny and I imagine I'll be slaying pvssy left and right should I choose to bulk up. That'll take me from a 10/10 to a 20/10

 

[floydb25]

Cordon, WTF are you babbling about? Look at this guy. He is 6 feet 145. Stop talking out of your ass. It seems if you don't look exactly like Cordon, you are a skinny freak. Get over yourself dude.

http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com...ing-to-be.html

Cordon has it right. You guys arguing against him have got to kidding me right?

First of all Malice...your example is flawed. Thats a damn MMA fighter. There weights are extreme and they yo yo diet like crazy to get to as close to 0% bodyfat as possible. Not one person on this board has as much muscle while maintaining below 10% body fat. Its an outlier. Being a normal person, being 6'1 145lbs is pretty bad. From height alone you should be near 170lbs. Get in the gym and lift. There are only positives to doing so.

And it IS all in the face.

The problem with Con's theory - and yes, I'm turning it around on you, sir - is that, like a lot of guys out there, he thinks he KNOWS what women want and find attractive. Guys used to say all sorts of **** about me, because I was skinny, passive, and non-threatening.

Its all in the face? Lol....

You throw accusations at cordon for "not knowing what attracts women" while you yourself, claim "its all in the face". A pretty face has minimal effect on whether a woman finds you attractive. Even if that were true....why not be a man with a pretty face + muscles/ripped physique? The main concept with the gym is the passion that ensues. If a woman can see how dedicated you are, and how much it means to you, to get in the gym, workout and stay healthy....thats what makes her wet.

Dedication to gym = Dedication to career

Both make women wet.

Ah, ha! But you see, the difference is, I've experienced it first-hand. Women who approached even told me so. At least for me personally - and I was way more successful, with far less effort, than those tough guy chumps. Honestly, didn't have to do ****. It was always the face - that's what they focused on, stared at, and why they were all giggly and excited. The same crush / infatuation feeling we get. 90% of the comments were directed towards the face, instantly. And they came on hella strong.

But, to be fair, not everyone can be labeled as a pretty boy, or have that innate advantage. A lot of those status fags certainly THOUGHT they were - and bishes would even tell me about their exes who always tried to look pretty and thought they were hot **** - but they weren't. The same girls who said I was.

Mind you, this was before I gained weight and became a shut-in. But definitely, if women think you're "hot" - your build doesn't matter, and isn't necessary.

As for being ripped: yea, probably. But not everyone is naturally strong and built, and I'm lazy as all hell. And it was never necessary. Just gotta dress sharp, look "pretty", be confident, have a solid personality with strong social skills, and it's all gravy.

Of course, I hate everyone and don't socialize or get "prettied" up anymore, so whatevs. That's how it was though... with other guys, as well. It was always the pretty guys who had the most success - ESPECIALLY with the pretty girls. They were all short and skinny, too... but were out-going and social, etc.

 

[Epimanes]

Well. I'm 6'2 and 195lbs. Probably gained almost 10lbs in muscle since my pic I posted in the pic thread. Not sure but maybe I'm a 7 or 8 possibly? Always improving for the most part.

Here is me.. I have cut off some fat and put on more muscle since. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=350syub&s=4

 

[cordoncordon]

The thing that a lot of you are missing is this. And The Exception you were dead on with your analysis btw. Lifting weights, working out, eating right? All those things will greatly increase your facial aesthetics as well. Yes, if you were born with a naturally good looking face like a B Pitt or a pretty boy face like a J Beiber, you are going to be able to get girls. But that is a very very small % of the male population. I am talking the average guy, the 75% of the population. Whether you are skinny or fat, lifting will remove fat from your face, improve your jaw line, give you a much more aesthetically pleasing face. Lifting isn't just for your body. Don't believe me? Go to bodybuilding.com and look at all the before and after pics of the guys who posted pics. Many went from having what could be called a very very average face to a way above average face, all by eating right and lifting.

It works.

 

[JoeMarron]

The thing that a lot of you are missing is this. And The Exception you were dead on with your analysis btw. Lifting weights, working out, eating right? All those things will greatly increase your facial aesthetics as well. Yes, if you were born with a naturally good looking face like a B Pitt or a pretty boy face like a J Beiber, you are going to be able to get girls. But that is a very very small % of the male population. I am talking the average guy, the 75% of the population. Whether you are skinny or fat, lifting will remove fat from your face, improve your jaw line, give you a much more aesthetically pleasing face. Lifting isn't just for your body. Don't believe me? Go to bodybuilding.com and look at all the before and after pics of the guys who posted pics. Many went from having what could be called a very very average face to a way above average face, all by eating right and lifting.

It works.

No one is discounting what working out can do for men. Men can improve their looks significantly by getting fit. A skinny dude who's already has an attractive face will become a damn deity to women if he gets ripped. I was disputing you implying that a dude is a 4-5 just because he's skinny. Even the average dude isn't gonna take that much of a hit from being skinny. I see average men with attractive women all the time. Skinniness simply does not matter that much to women if other aspects of a man are attractive such as his face.

 

[cordoncordon]

No one is discounting what working out can do for men. Men can improve their looks significantly by getting fit. A skinny dude who's already has an attractive face will become a damn deity to women if he gets ripped. I was disputing you implying that a dude is a 4-5 just because he's skinny. Skinniness simply does not matter that much to women if other aspects of a man are attractive such as his face.

Well I was talking about the guys like expos, who posted a pic of himself last spring where even he called himself a 4 or 5, all because he was so skinny. Also, there is out of shape skinny-as in no definition whatsoever, and in shape skinny-as in the pic malice posted of the MMA fighter. And then you have the worst of all.......skinny fat. These are guys with skinny legs, arms, shoulders and chest, but still have a gut. Amazing to me the amount of times I see this. 95% of most girls are not going to go with the skinny skinny or the skinny fat guys. Some will go with the inshape skinny guys. Almost ALL girls will go with the in shape, toned, ripped guys. Girls appreciate a good face, but all in all its the body that the girls really look at.

 

[expos]

Well I was talking about the guys like expos, who posted a pic of himself last spring where even he called himself a 4 or 5, all because he was so skinny.

That body is what you look like when you are running like 70 miles a week. I don't feel like digging up the photo again because it brings back some pretty bad memories, but I do have a decent face. Bradd80 has seen what I look like. I am not bad - voted "best looking" in my senior class - and I still get compliments from women of all ages. I had a married woman hanging all over me on Saturday night. :crackup:

I will add the being a skinny runner cardio machine caves in your face, makes your ears look big, and makes look older than you really are. Look at any competitive distance runner....they all have that sickly look.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7u43mTavy1qb1egco1_1280.jpg

This was a huge turn off to women. No woman would even look me in the eye...and no woman wants to be with guy who has skinnier arms and legs than they do, which I did until recently.

I will also agree that lifting weights does something to your face as well - it chisels it. Maybe some experienced lifters can chime in. Testosterone perhaps?