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Racists hate certain ethnicity, propose that their ethnicity is superior. Thus why they call them racist and not ethnicists? After all we are all one race, the human race, and thus its impossible to be a racist in this context.

I propose calling things their names, from now on all racists shall be known as ethnicists.

Furthermore, let's call all greenies and environmentalists racist, since they hate human race because human race according to those low lives deserves to die.
 

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Races do exist. Yes the differences are minor and mostly in appearance only. But it is true that black people have lower IQs than white and asians have it higher than whites in general. But it does not mean that there aren't plenty of blacks smarter than me. And this the racists tend to forget.

I prefer human from other race and ethnicity over my own "kind" when we share common values. But it does not mean I am a racist to some degree since it is natural to be suspicious of strangers and certain stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason.

You are right, you can be a ethnicist if you hate (you are afraid) of person of your own race but another ethnicum.

I think you are then called XENOPHOBE - hate of strangers of all kinds, I guess.
 

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Drdeee said:
Furthermore, let's call all greenies and environmentalists racist, since they hate human race because human race according to those low lives deserves to die.
If you ever have the good fortunate of taking a college level Ecology class, I can tell you what day 1 will cover; The single greatest threat to planet earth.

Whether you hate people or not who are educated about this fact is really besides the point isn't it? Reality doesn't give a damn about your feelings. There are environmentalists, and there are ignorant people. There is no third group.
 

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DanelMadr said:
Races do exist.
Not in the human race they don't...it's only a social construct, not a scientific one. Do some research on it.
 

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Not in the human race they don't...it's only a social construct, not a scientific one. Do some research on it.


What I believe you are referring too is the genetic variation ( or lack thereof) between all humans. Groups of chimps/ apes have more genetic variation than any human on this planet. Further elaboration here is welcome since this isn't really my field..

What gets me is that in America, companies claim to be 'equal opportunity', but they aren't. Every application asks for your skin color and ethnic background. All they want to do is fill in the minorities just to make them look good. I am equally qualified for a position at a company in the north east as my friend, but because my friend is a women and a minority, she got a job much quicker. (Within engineering, you do the math) She was well qualified and smart though, so that doesn't take away from it. Still, she could have been a lot less qualified and still gotten the job over me.

If we want the race card out of how we live life, we should start by hiring on merit alone. No need for affirmative action, just look at qualifications. Is this really so hard ? While i crack jokes from time to time, I am not stupid enough to believe there is a real difference between me, a black person, or a Chinese person aside from the melanin in our skin and our cultural upbringing.

In short, real racism is a direct result of stupidity. But we have no shortage of that in the world...
 

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“Environmental Greenies Are Very Dangerous People”


My wife drives a Nissan Altima that gets 32 miles a gallon and I motor around in a Maxima that faithfully achieves 28. My spouse and I habitually recycle our paper, glass and metal county trash and keep it all separate from our town-collected “other garbage.” We conscientiously maintain our property in a neat manner and keep our shrubs and bushes trimmed and our lawn well manicured. Like the plurality of Americans, we respect the environment and try our best to protect it.

A fairly funny joke goes something like this: “Yesterday it was so cold outside that I actually saw a liberal with his hand in his own pocket!”

I happen to believe that hardcore “Environmental Greenies” are very dangerous people. The fanatics invent crazy modern mythological terminology like “carbon footprint,” “alternative energy” and “global warming” and the overzealous charlatans expect to make the rest of civilization (including our easily impressionable and indoctrinated school children) feel guilty if we aren’t voluntarily and gullibly deceived by their creative frivolous terminology.

But it’s my sincere contention that the on-a-mission Greenie extremists (along with their suspect unproven theories) constitute a major threat to American civilization because their radical militant movement is counter-productive to our already fragile U.S. economy and their perverted liberty-threatening agenda is a direct detriment to U.S. national security.

For the purpose of clarity, let me explain my seemingly bizarre position on this contemporary issue. In truth, the more radical militant Greenies want to restrict your (and my) automotive mobility and limit your (and my) “fossil fuel freedom” in order to make you and me become more dependent on electric-powered vehicles and state-sponsored mass transportation.

Generally speaking, radical Greenies are “extreme liberals” who don’t like American dependence on either foreign or domestic oil in order to operate our automobiles. The crazed lunatics insist that we use “alternative energy” to replace the scourge of petroleum products and carbon emissions presently polluting the atmosphere.

Let’s get real here! When is the last time you’ve seen an automobile passing you on the highway with a solar panel and a windmill on its roof responsible for propelling it? Not even the most devout environmental Greenie has one of these “alternative energy” babies!

“Alternative Energy” does not exist on any practical functional level! It’s successful implementation effectively replacing standard auto’ engines and fossil fuels is still decades away! The unique terminology “Alternative Energy” is really an anachronism, a misguided misnomer designed to goad the rest of us into feeling ashamed of driving around in gas-guzzling SUVs, Altimas and Maximas.

The so-called totally electric cars that are out there are abundantly overpriced modes of transportation. One popular version sells for 44 thousand dollars, that is, after the government gives you a rebate of 10,000 bucks.

Guess who pays for the ten thousand dollar rebate? You and I do! This Greenie-originated “rebate canard” represents a deliberate-but-strategic egregious redistribution of wealth designed to force and compel you and me to purchase plug-in cars that have to be re-energized every few hours and that have trouble accelerating over fifty miles an hour.

Here’s another misuse of typical “Greenie” jargon, a disingenuous scoundrel idea called “Cap and Trade.” Allow me to emphasize that wind and solar power are not examples of “Alternative Energy” as the shrewd Greenies ardently argue. Wind and solar are what can best be described as “Supplemental Energy” that will not replace coal-generated electricity anytime in the immediate future.

Now here’s the problem with the recently proposed Cap and Trade legislation. The wind and solar industries cannot economically or efficiently compete with coal as a source of competitive electric energy. And so, the existing power companies must pay fines for polluting the atmosphere, the penalty money going to subsidize newly created (but financially unprofitable) wind and solar companies. Again, beneath the Greenie ruse we have the deceptive hidden agenda of redistributing wealth from the practical “have corporations” to the impractical “have-not wind and solar companies.”

Yes, according to the demands of Cap and Trade, good legitimate capitalistic money will be earmarked to slyly go from profitable electric companies to uncompetitive wind and solar corporations so folks, don’t be surprised when your electric bill goes up an additional twelve hundred dollars a year to finance this extravagant government-oriented money grab that’s custom-designed to assist the Greenies in accomplishing their warped goals!

Let's try a little theoretical one-month experiment! We'll use wind and solar "alternative energy" to replace oil, gasoline and coal for four full weeks. After those 30 days pass, how many U.S. cars would still be on the highways? How many U.S. houses would still have electricity, heat or air conditioning? So much for the pathetic lie known as "alternative energy!' Wind, solar and electric cars represent only 2-3% of total U.S. energy production, so logically and realistically, how could 3% "alternative energy" ever pretend to replace 97% oil, gas and coal?

And permit me to assert that the real villains in this progressive travesty of economic justice are the Greenies who are desperately attempting to paint the electric companies as the evil capitalistic culprits that are contributing to increasing the size of our “carbon footprints.” I don’t know about your singular attitude, but I’m perfectly satisfied with the size of my carbon footprint and I don’t wish to see it diminished in any way.

When the boisterous Greenies eventually convince Russia, China and India to stop polluting the environment and the atmosphere (which just happens to travel around the globe to the USA), then that’s the appropriate time for America to join the idealistic quixotic crusade to save the planet.

Indeed, our own national security is currently being jeopardized in the form of self-destructive unilateral economic disarmament. By listening to and legislating the Greenies’ deleterious environmental program, industrial jobs are gradually going overseas to the new manufacturing countries of Russia, India and China, giving those three foreign nations (that obviously don’t care too much about the environment) an international competitive advantage over the self-victimized United States, where it is estimated that two oil and coal industry jobs are lost for every “alternative energy” job that is created through wily socialistic wealth (and energy) redistribution.

Yes indeed, the radical Greenies are very possessed quixotic liberals that want to save the planet while naively and inadvertently destroying American civilization through ignorantly crippling the formerly virile U.S. economy. The one-track-mind Greenies truly desire middle class citizens to engage in an irresponsible class warfare game with the rich as John Doe’s targeted combatants. Yes, tax the wealthy more so that we can more readily redistribute and share the common wealth!

By raising taxes on the rich to help support saving the environment, here’s what’s really occurring. The middle-class is in the act of spiting itself! The so-called rich control all goods and services produced in America so therefore, the cost of items the middle-class buys will conversely go up.

By redistributing the wealth through higher taxes on the rich (with some of the money going to the Greenie causes), we all can expect to pay more for soap, soup and meat at the supermarket and more for clothes, tools and paint at Wal*Mart. A tax on the wealthy is really a hefty burden on you and me, the American consumer!

Just objectively examine the economic statistics to further understand my point! In 2010, the U.S. trade deficit has averaged 41 billion dollars a month while Red China’s trade surplus in October was in excess of 27 billion dollars. The ongoing and very dangerous Greenies’ philosophy will make the United States export less and import even more by sending more industrial jobs overseas to countries that don’t have the same reverence for a pristine environment as America does.

Is there any wonder that Red China holds 800 billion dollars in U.S. bond debt? Is there any Greenie out there that doesn’t see this astonishing and growing ugly debt scenario as either a potential or direct threat to U.S. national security?
 

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And around three billion people live in China, India and Russia. How could 310 million Americans (practicing intense conservation) ever offset three billion other not-so-concerned earth inhabitants randomly polluting the planet while the U.S. continues to give still other New World nations around the world economic advantages when it comes to our ecology-minded manufacturing and industry? Ten to one are bad odds at any race track or casino.

Just examine what the maniacal Greenies and their political influence have done to California's San Joaquin Valley, which was once the most productive agricultural region in the USA. Canal water is being dammed and diverted south of San Francisco in order to protect endangered fish species such as the delta smelt and the silvery minnow.

As a result of over 150 billion gallons of water being re-channeled annually, thousands of acres of cantaloupe, grapes, tomatoes, lettuce and onion crops have been sacrificed (along with over 40,000 agricultural jobs) while simultaneously generating much higher chain store fruit and produce prices.

Finally, the crazed Greenies insist that the Earth is in jeopardy because of an impending phenomenon known as “Global Warming.” This is another hypothetical trick designed to scare the rest of us into believing the gross distortions of the asylum-oriented environmental gospel.

Ever since the Cambrian geologic age that had occurred on Planet Earth over 700 million years ago, scientists estimate that there have been over 300 Ice Ages. In fact, the last Great Ice Age ended only around ten thousand years ago when the Great Lakes had been scoured-out by the northern retreat of the tremendously thick layer of glacial ice.

Americans don’t have to fear the Greenies’ doomsday version of Global Warming nearly as much as they have to be wary of the prospect of Global Cooling.

Just imagine this rather frightening catastrophic rendition of events! A mile-high sheet of glacial ice again descends from the Arctic Circle onto the United States and soon every skyscraper in Seattle, Chicago and New York City is violently crushed and devastated during a 21st century three hundred and first cataclysmic ice invasion.

Don’t listen to these dangerous Greenie environmentalists that want to control our everyday lives at our own expense, thus endangering our own individual independence and national prosperity! Global Cooling is a much more formidable potential disaster than Global Warming (coastal flooding) will ever be!



Jay Dubya (author's initials and pen name)
 

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I might be racist, but at least I'm not Black.


Kidding. On a serious note, I find it ridiculous that the OP takes issue that "racism" may be a misnomer and not the fact that so called "racists" are ignorant idiots.

Seriously, when I call someone an A$$Face or SH!T for Brains, it's not because their face is actually an a$$ or that their brains are literally ****, it's because I want to insult them and give them a negative label.
 

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bish0p said:
Not in the human race they don't...it's only a social construct, not a scientific one. Do some research on it.
Never heard of that. Seems to me like a social construct. Please give me some arguments. Because what I heard about was genetic based diseases or immunity system specific to some "race" or whatever you want to call it. So distinctions clearly exist on genetic level.

I wrote that the differences are not vast but they do exist and are obvious.
 

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DanelMadr said:
Never heard of that. Seems to me like a social construct. Please give me some arguments. Because what I heard about was genetic based diseases or immunity system specific to some "race" or whatever you want to call it. So distinctions clearly exist on genetic level.

I wrote that the differences are not vast but they do exist and are obvious.
I concur.
 

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Never heard of that. Seems to me like a social construct. Please give me some arguments. Because what I heard about was genetic based diseases or immunity system specific to some "race" or whatever you want to call it. So distinctions clearly exist on genetic level.

I wrote that the differences are not vast but they do exist and are obvious.
While genetic differences do exist, they are small differences and not what you're making it out to be as far as intelligence is concerned...at one point, these differences were considered to be "junk DNA," although this has been changed.

Still, these genetic differences, have nothing to do, or at least haven't been proven to be associated with, intelligence. Furthermore, you'd have to do your own research, looking at both sides rather than the arguments that just support your own ideas. Either way, it's an ongoing scientific research and nothing has been proven as fact yet.
 

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Greenies are especially dangerous in these times, as their every effort goes into killing jobs and suppressing productivity. I don't know about you, but I've never seen a greenie try to create or start anything; all they are about is self-righteously attacking the producer class so that everyone can be as poor and dependent on the government as they are.

Any greenie who lives in a house, drives a car, or uses a computer is a maximum hypocrite. We are not so evolved that we can push a button to achieve our lifestyle; we still have to dig up the earth to grow the food and to obtain the minerals that make our lives possible. Any greenie who is not living off the land Jeremiah Johnson-style in a remote shack is a total fraud, and who the hell are these people to tell others they cannot have the lives they want?

Look at the fight over the Pebble mine up in Alaska. Perfect example. Northern Dynasty has not even submitted a feasibility study/mining plan yet, and a consortium of so-called "greenies" has them in court defending all kinds of vicious and ridiculous rhetoric. The Pebble mine is going to be the biggest mine in the world; it will create thousands of jobs in a severely depressed local economy in Alaska. The legal efforts of these environMENTALS are being financed by a small group of billionaires who hunt elk on the Pebble lands. Among them is Gordon Moore, a co-founder of Intel who made his billions manufacturing computer hardware, a technology that is dependent on digging gold, copper, and REEs out of the ground.

When I see an environmental group include a proposal for all the jobs (and lives) they wish to destroy in their efforts, then they might be worth listening to.
 

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Julius_Seizeher said:
Greenies are especially dangerous in these times, as their every effort goes into killing jobs and suppressing productivity.
Jobs are killed because of outsourcing and because people at the top hoard money and won't let it flow. What happens is we have a rapidly expanding population of poor people with no money (China and India).

The economy and jobs work as long as money flows.

Look at the fight over the Pebble mine up in Alaska. Perfect example. Northern Dynasty has not even submitted a feasibility study/mining plan yet, and a consortium of so-called "greenies" has them in court defending all kinds of vicious and ridiculous rhetoric.
Like what?

bish0p said:
Not in the human race they don't...it's only a social construct, not a scientific one. Do some research on it.
There are genetic differences in between races which make for differences in medical treatments. However you cannot tell what race a person is by the color of their skin, only by the content of their DNA.
 

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However you cannot tell what race a person is by the color of their skin, only by the content of their DNA.
About the only decent thing in this thread. You can't look at a person and know "what they are". You can't look "Latin", "Hispanic", "Arabic", or "Asian". Hell, Asians can be Indians, Russians, Chinese, Syrians, Jews, etc. Latins and Hispanics can be anything because of immigration patterns.

Here is a hard pill to swallow. Everyone basically discriminates against certain people. Just a fact. Not good - Not bad. Just a fact of life.
 

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I'm attracted to black girls more than I am attracted to the white ones.

Hi all. My name is Bradley, 25 years old, from Johannesburg in South Africa and I am new here. Hoping to learn and get some good advice from real and experienced men. I love girls and I find myself mostly attracted to black girls, but I am scared to make any moves because I think black girls do not like white men. Any advice would be highly appreciated.
 

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bish0p said:
While genetic differences do exist, they are small differences and not what you're making it out to be as far as intelligence is concerned...at one point, these differences were considered to be "junk DNA," although this has been changed.

Still, these genetic differences, have nothing to do, or at least haven't been proven to be associated with, intelligence. Furthermore, you'd have to do your own research, looking at both sides rather than the arguments that just support your own ideas. Either way, it's an ongoing scientific research and nothing has been proven as fact yet.
I believe you are wrong. There are significant differences between "races" in IQ levels. From evolutionary point of view it is quite clear why that happens. In Africa it doesn't help you to be super smart since the life there is mainly about physical survival - lots of dangerous diseases and turbulent society.
On the other hand in Eastern European Jewish community IQ helped you to survive since it is literate community forced to concentrate on non-manual labor. The same goes for nations with better nutrition and living in environment where higher IQ significantly improved your chances of survival.

Having said that I don't believe these facts can justify discrimination based on race. But being blind to these differences is not good either. Actually the anti-fascist hysteria after WW2 practically banned all research to these problems. And a dogma that all people are equal and only evil patriarchal/capitalist society forces them to behave some way with total disregard to genetic differences. For example differences between men and women are also disregarded albeit there are significant differences in a way we process information - for example analytical thinking is extremely difficult for women.

This is well documented in BBC documentary Double Helix - The DNA Years -BBC Science and History Documentary
 

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I believe you are wrong.
Well, you've forced me to do some more of my own research on it and I will have to concede defeat on this subject...although I'm still not %100 convinced that these are facts.

I didn't go to the site you posted, but instead searched my own and so far the majority of them support your beliefs.

DanelMadr said:
Having said that I don't believe these facts can justify discrimination based on race.
Yeah, not a lot of people will share this sentiment though. So, will just have to wait and see.
 

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If the genetics of race can affect height, weight, hormones, d1ck-size and even mental illnesses, then it certainly stands to reason that it impacts intelligence.

The problem, I think, are the exceptions to the rule. Asian men can be tall, white men can have big d1cks (although VERY rare....j/k of course), and black men can be intelligent.
 

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Danger said:
the Bell Curve.
I know about the bell curve :rolleyes:.

Still, those exceptions shouldn't be ignored due to that little thing called "potential."
 

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I was referring to potential as opposed to actual. Potential is exactly where Bell Curves should be considered.
How so? When you talk about the bell curve, things are set in stone. X amount of people fall into this category...and Y amount of people fall into another category.

That's what the bell curve does...it places groups of people into nice little categories regardless of potential, all the while ignoring the outliers.

My entire argument is based on those exceptions...that even though there are similarities between people (individuals); there are a lot of differences as well. Just because this particular person in this particular group is a certain way, doesn't mean that another person in that exact same group would be the same way.

That's why humans are so complex in the first place. There are other things to consider (other variables if you will) than just heredity. In other words, it's not nature vs. nurture...it's nature AND nurture.
 
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