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Drum & Bass:

Clinical studies[1][84][85][86]indicate that the ingested ratio of ω−6 to ω−3 (especially Linoleic vs Alpha Linolenic) fatty acids is important to maintaining cardiovascular health.

Both ω−3 and ω−6 fatty acids are essential, i.e. humans must consume them in the diet. ω−3 and ω−6 compete for the same metabolic enzymes, thus the ω−6:ω−3 ratio will significantly influence the ratio of the ensuing eicosanoids (hormones), (e.g. prostaglandins, leukotrienes, thromboxanes etc.), and will alter the body's metabolic function.[87]Generally, grass-fed animals accumulate more ω−3 than do grain-fed animals which accumulate relatively more ω−6. Metabolites of ω−6 are significantly more inflammatory (esp. arachidonic acid) than those of ω−3. This necessitates that ω−3 and ω−6 be consumed in a balanced proportion; healthy ratios of ω−6:ω−3 range from 1:1 to 4:1.[88][89] Studies suggest that the evolutionary human diet, rich in seafood and other sources of ω−3, may have provided such a ratio.[84][90] recommend daily intakes of three ω−3 forms: 650 mg of EPA and DHA, and 2.22 grams of ALA, and one ω−6 form: 4.44 grams of LA. This translates to a 3:2 ω−6 to ω−3 ratio. (i.e. 1.5:1)

Typical Western diets provide ratios of between 10:1 and 30:1 - i.e., dramatically skewed toward ω−6.[91] Here are the ratios of ω−6 to ω−3 fatty acids in some common oils: canola 2:1, soybean 7:1, olive 3–13:1, sunflower (no ω−3), flax 1:3[92] cottonseed (almost no ω−3), peanut (no ω−3), grapeseed oil (almost no ω−3) and corn oil 46 to 1 ratio of ω−6 to ω−3.[93] It should be noted that olive, peanut and canola oils consist of approximately 80% monounsaturated fatty acids, (i.e. neither ω−6 nor ω−3) meaning that they contain relatively small amounts of ω−3 and ω−6 fatty acids. Consequently, the ω−6 to ω−3 ratios for these oils (i.e. olive, canola and peanut oils) are not as significant as they are for corn, soybean and sunflower oils.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-3_fatty_acid

Took 2 seconds, right from WIKI. Didn't even need to both to post links to the several comphrensive review articles or the primary paper.

Both Omen and Throttle were suggesting this answer.


Quote by Drum&Bass "thats fine if you've always had a good immune system but taking in a lot of fish oil reduces how effective it is. I don't wanna say weaken, but its pretty much the same effect. Lots of fish oil has the same effect of weakening the immune system."

What exactly does that mean? Suggestion that you read the chapter on immune function in Campbell General Undegraduate BiologyTextbook or similar. Focus in on cytokines...


Googled: omega3 and cytokines. first entry:

Omega-3 fatty acids in inflammation and autoimmune diseases.Simopoulos AP.
The Center for Genetics, Nutrition and Health, Washington, DC 20009, USA. cgnh@bellatlantic.net


Among the fatty acids, it is the omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA) which possess the most potent immunomodulatory activities, and among the omega-3 PUFA, those from fish oil-eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA)--are more biologically potent than alpha-linolenic acid (ALA). Some of the effects of omega-3 PUFA are brought about by modulation of the amount and types of eicosanoids made, and other effects are elicited by eicosanoid-independent mechanisms, including actions upon intracellular signaling pathways, transcription factor activity and gene expression. Animal experiments and clinical intervention studies indicate that omega-3 fatty acids have anti-inflammatory properties and, therefore, might be useful in the management of inflammatory and autoimmune diseases. Coronary heart disease, major depression, aging and cancer are characterized by an increased level of interleukin 1 (IL-1), a proinflammatory cytokine. Similarly, arthritis, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis and lupus erythematosis are autoimmune diseases characterized by a high level of IL-1 and the proinflammatory leukotriene LTB(4) produced by omega-6 fatty acids. There have been a number of clinical trials assessing the benefits of dietary supplementation with fish oils in several inflammatory and autoimmune diseases in humans, including rheumatoid arthritis, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, psoriasis, lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis and migraine headaches. Many of the placebo-controlled trials of fish oil in chronic inflammatory diseases reveal significant benefit, including decreased disease activity and a lowered use of anti-inflammatory drugs. J Am Coll Nutr. 2002 Dec;21(6):495-505

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12480795

http://atvb.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/14/11/1829

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=17300740

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Dude !! I've read all that same information you have read !
Animal experiments and clinical intervention studies indicate that omega-3 fatty acids have anti-inflammatory properties and, therefore, might be useful in the management of inflammatory and autoimmune diseases. Coronary heart disease, major depression, aging and cancer are characterized by an increased level of interleukin 1 (IL-1), a proinflammatory cytokine. Similarly, arthritis, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis and lupus erythematosis are autoimmune diseases characterized by a high level of IL-1 and the proinflammatory leukotriene LTB(4) produced by omega-6 fatty acids. There have been a number of clinical trials assessing the benefits of dietary supplementation with fish oils in several inflammatory and autoimmune diseases in humans, including rheumatoid arthritis, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, psoriasis, lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis and migraine headaches.
Those illnesses are inflammation of soft tissue and joints. Its like getting a bruise and using and ice pack to reduce swelling..so in these specific cases the anti-inflammation response might be helpful, but when ever you get the a viral infection you want the areas of infection to become inflamed to a certain extent because the inflammation is what signals you anti bodies to surround the problem area..

All these articles are saying is, anti inflammation from fish oil reduces swelling on direct soft tissues and joints but they don't mention that swelling for other infections is necessary for a larger response for your anti-bodies.
 

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store in a cool dry place for optimum potency and depending on if has expiration date. so if it expired throw it away.
 

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Update: ok I've been on them for about 3 weeks now. The first week I noticed an acidic stomach after taking them and I'm not sure if its me taking karmasutra's advice (don't keep them in the fridge) but they don't seem to bother my stomach now :up: *knock on wood*. I also make sure to take them AFTER a meal.. not on an empty stomach.
 

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Try taking them after your last meal, which should be some time (1 hour maybe) before you go to bed. Has worked wonders for me if I take them right before bed.
 

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The Bat said:
Try taking them after your last meal, which should be some time (1 hour maybe) before you go to bed. Has worked wonders for me if I take them right before bed.
Now I thought your not supposed to eat fats right before bed..
 

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JohnnyIrish said:
Update: ok I've been on them for about 3 weeks now. The first week I noticed an acidic stomach after taking them and I'm not sure if its me taking karmasutra's advice (don't keep them in the fridge) but they don't seem to bother my stomach now :up: *knock on wood*. I also make sure to take them AFTER a meal.. not on an empty stomach.
like drinking protein by the quart, or eating whole wheat crackers by the box, any significant quantity of a potent food takes some getting used to.
 

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JohnnyIrish said:
Now I thought your not supposed to eat fats right before bed..
no, fat + protein is good before bed. if anything, avoid big doses of carbs.
 

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Throttle said:
no, fat + protein is good before bed. if anything, avoid big doses of carbs.
Well I thought typically one didn't want to eat fatty foods before bed since they have a lot of calories typically. Right?

In any event I just noticed efforts starter diet also advocates takeing the fish oil at bed so I wont' dispute that fact.

I would then surmise that fish oil is the exception to the rule then?
 

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Fish oil looks like some damn good stuff.

A couple days ago, I joined the chat the forum was having (I forgot which name I used, not this one). The conversation was about carbs, in which I shared my diet (got some criticism on the amount of fruits I am eating, which I understand now). I mentioned how I ate 4500-5000 calories/day for two months and didn't gain weight, which is true (5'11" at 155 lbs). Here's what I ate:

5:30 AM Chicken/fish/steak, two large fruits (apple, banana, orange, etc), 2 cups milk
12:30 PM Chicken/fish/steak, two large fruits (apple, banana, orange, etc), 2 cups milk
3:30 PM Chicken/fish/steak, two large fruits (apple, banana, orange, etc), 2 cups milk
6:30 PM Chicken/fish/steak, two large fruits (apple, banana, orange, etc), 2 cups milk
9:30 PM Chicken/fish/steak, two large fruits (apple, banana, orange, etc), 2 cups milk

total calories was 4500+, but didn't gain weight. I got tired of eating so much and cut down the calories, maybe eating only one fruit instead of two, and less milk. Now I'm at 3000-3500.

After reading some of the stuff in this thread, I'm going to try eat a lot again, but add some fish oil at the end of the day, maybe 2 g or something. From what I read, it should help.
 

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Can anyone explain why its better to take fishoil at night?

Is there some study somewhere that determined this the most optimum time or some such?
 

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From what I have seen, the greatest benefit would be had from spreading it over the day. So 2g five times a day if you are aiming for 10g.

This is from an insulin managment standpoint, and fish oils effect on fat genes. As can be seen:

http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14062


"If you are trying to drop bodyfat and are not including high dose fish oil in your stack you are doing yourself a disservice.

IA"
 

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JohnnyIrish said:
Can anyone explain why its better to take fishoil at night?

Is there some study somewhere that determined this the most optimum time or some such?
no. there are no studies I am aware of that show a particular benefit to a particular schedule. there aren't even studies firmly establishing a proper dose, just a lot of hand-waving. you'll have to read around, weigh the arguments for different doses and timings, and decide accordingly.
 

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JohnnyIrish said:
Well I thought typically one didn't want to eat fatty foods before bed since they have a lot of calories typically. Right?

In any event I just noticed efforts starter diet also advocates takeing the fish oil at bed so I wont' dispute that fact.

I would then surmise that fish oil is the exception to the rule then?
No, you are supposed to use carbs in the morning and around training, with fats used in sedentary periods and before bed as 1) You are sedentary 2) It slows down protein absorption by the body therefore the protein available will last you for a lot longer. It has nothing to do with calorie numbers, each macro has a given purpose and shouldn't be neglected.

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If you dont have those things before bed, and you sleep for say 8hrs like I do... what do you think your body is going to use for fuel if you dont have some fat, and even some slow digesting carbs and protein? MUSCLE. You dont want to get in a catabolic state when you are asleep. You need to constantly fuel the body unless you are obese. A blend of protein, some fat and small amount of carbs is perfect.

You could belnd some oats, some egg/milk/whey/soy protein and then 2Tbsp of fish oil or canola oil, and you'd be set.

Truth be told, the reason I think some people dont grow, if they sleep a lot, is that they are fasting for 8hrs, and their last meal was dinner. Not a good thing to do if you want to grow. I used to even get up and eat. If you eat every 2hrs, think about it... that's 4 meals when you are awake.

In fact i'd love to use an IV and feed myself the whole night. I think i'd grow like a weed. :D
 

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Omen said:
If you dont have those things before bed, and you sleep for say 8hrs like I do... what do you think your body is going to use for fuel if you dont have some fat, and even some slow digesting carbs and protein? MUSCLE. You dont want to get in a catabolic state when you are asleep. You need to constantly fuel the body unless you are obese. A blend of protein, some fat and small amount of carbs is perfect.

You could belnd some oats, some egg/milk/whey/soy protein and then 2Tbsp of fish oil or canola oil, and you'd be set.

Truth be told, the reason I think some people dont grow, if they sleep a lot, is that they are fasting for 8hrs, and their last meal was dinner. Not a good thing to do if you want to grow. I used to even get up and eat. If you eat every 2hrs, think about it... that's 4 meals when you are awake.

In fact i'd love to use an IV and feed myself the whole night. I think i'd grow like a weed. :D
I wouldn't bother, sleep is far more important than getting extra cals in and 6 feeds per day should be more than an enough.

MM
 

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Omen said:
but seeing how I totally corrected one of his statements on Antioxidants, he is not a fan of mine when it comes to supplements.
I remember when you did this, lol. You brought up more details to a trend he recommended, you totally corrected nothing.
 

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Omen said:
If you dont have those things before bed, and you sleep for say 8hrs like I do... what do you think your body is going to use for fuel if you dont have some fat, and even some slow digesting carbs and protein?
Body fat.
 

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spesmilitis said:
I remember when you did this, lol. You brought up more details to a trend he recommended, you totally corrected nothing.
No, what he was talking about was not a trend. Re-read what he talks about. I did correct him.

"Basically, the darker and richer the color of the food, the healthier it is."

Poliquin's words in quotes. As I said before... NOT TRUE
 
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