Questions for those 30 and up...

[Solomon]

I was talking to my buddy who is a psych major, the other day.
I remember earlier this year, he called me up drunk, moaning about how women are so stuck up in Minnesota, I told him to wait till summer and it will be OK.

Fast forward to now, he's got 6 chicks he is juggling, and boning 3 of them regularly. The guy's game is just amazing, he doesn't try at all. He spots his target, then starts telling some crazy ass story. He has something a lot of guys lack which is a great story telling ability, and also life experience (he has lived in 4 states, played semi-pro hockey)

He told me that when he turned 26/27 it came together for him, and his game was just automatic to a point were **** would just happen even when he didn't try and contributes the fact to gaining maturity and the fact that younger women love older men

my question is, is he reaching with this claim or does it make sense?
that your game reaches a new apex in your 30's, 40's hell even 50's?

thanks

-Solo

 

[Colossus]

I'm not 30, so I cant corroborate his claims, but I can attest to the power of storytelling ability. This is never really talked about here, and it works wonders.

Women love--they need---to be entertained. Ask any girl what she wants in a guy, and you will likely hear some variation of 'good sense of humor', 'funny', 'exciting', or 'entertaining'. I truly believe women will cheat out of boredom and lack of attention. They meet a guy who will tell them some bullsh!t crazy stories all night and sometimes that's all it takes.

I personally don't have this talent. I really believe it is something you are born with. Ive had some weird experiences; some hilarious ones, but I have just never been able to make it compelling, no matter how awesome it was at the time.

My roommate from Germany is 29, and he always has girls enamored when we're chatting them up at a bar or whatever. I tend to attract them based on my looks, whereas he steals the show with his long-winded stories (which are usually bullsh!t), even they are more into me physically. And he isn't trying to "out-alpha" me; he just does this naturally, even to me at home. Some guys just have a way of making ordinary situations seem hilarious. And who can argue, they are usually hilarious guys to be around.

I have another good friend who is average in looks, but the guy is one of the funniest dudes you could hang out with. Everything is funny with him--even stuff you wouldn't normally crack a smile at, and he has banged all kinds of girls.

Anyways, I don't feel like my game has reached an apex. Maybe it will come, who knows. It's one of those paradoxes in life that you are usually better at when you aren't trying.

 

[Mr. Me]

I would call that "being charismatic".

 

[lookyoung]

I know that I am going to get slammed for this being on the mature man forum. I am going to make a few points here Most of the guys here will say age has no impact on game. I strongly disagree, and I will tell you why. In my personal experience the best gaming years to get girls are between the ages of 21-28.

I am not saying that you can't game woman. My game was VERY STRONG from the ages of 18-32. I was fvcking girls 7-11 years younger than me from the ages of 28-32. Over the last 4 months my game has tapered off a little however.

Ok now let me explain to you the reasons of why gaming at an older age your at a disadvantage than a younger age.

1. When your younger you tend to be around younger people and this includes younger woman. It is no secret that the hottest age range of woman is between the ages of 18-26.

2. When you hit the age of 28 your friends will get married and get out of the club scene and the party scene. You will probably go out less because of this.
The less you go out the less social interactions your going to run into and thats bad for getting a alot of woman .

3. The style of each generation changes. If you go to the trendy clubs now people wear mohawks, and half hawks, and the messy spiky look. When your 35 and run your own business you cannot afford this look and many guys in there 30's can't pull it off anyway. 21 year old girls like this look. Some of the younger girls I have fvcked told me to sport this type of look, but that would be ridiculous and my work doesn't allow me to do that.

4. As people age they usually get uglier. Bald, fat, Wrinkles. beauty is associated with youth. Not as much for woman but it is a factor with us too. There are many things you could do to slow down the process... But a smart man told me once you can't fool mother nature and he was right.

5. If your 43 a smart 21 year old girl with a good family will probably not get serious with you. Sure you could fvck them but it will not go anywere. When your 43 your dating pool if your good looking is 28-34 and if your average than 37-43.

The bottom line is that younger woman are the prize in our society and when your 53 the prize will disappear before your eyes unless your a celebrity or something of that nature. You will be too old to game girls in the club. Your Too old to cold approach younger woman. Nobody wants to date there dad.

Most of the guys here that say my best gaming years were in my 30's and 40's say this because there game sucked sh1t in there 20's. If they knew what they knew now than there game in there 20's would be better than 30's.

I am 32 and have not noticed a decline in me gaming woman. Most 21 year old girls would rather date a guy 27-28 than 34. Not saying you can't pull it off. I would say the best gaming years for 90% of men are in there 20's.

If your a good looking guy you could extend your gaming years to about 37-38, but this game is just like sports and everyones game will decline.

 

[jophil28]

my question is, is he reaching with this claim or does it make sense?
that your game reaches a new apex in your 30's, 40's hell even 50's?

thanks

-Solo

AS a Silver Fox I can speak from experience.

As A Collosus said, woman like humor, excitement, and fun times with a new guy. Telling OTT BS stories creates all these things in spades. Her imagination is one of your greatest weapons or allies in this strategy and I have long suspected that woman could care less whether your stories are founded in fact or history.

Secondly, at my age there is rarely a stunt that a woman pulls which is foreign to me. I have seen it all, heard it all, and been played by all their BS games, I rarely get blindsided these days..

Thirdly, as you get older you refine your life "game" I know now what works and what will bring me undone. I think that women sense this "completeness"...

Just my 2 dollares worth ( that used to be 2 cents before the financial crisis)

 

[Mr. Me]

when your 53 the prize will disappear before your eyes

Yikes!!! How can that be if I'M the prize!!!

All kidding aside, I know what you mean. I certainly can't compete with taller, younger studly guys for the 21 year olds. Then again, when I hear the typical 21 y.o. female open her mouth, I'm really not wishing to spend any time with her. They can have her and put up with her shyt. It's all brand spanking new to them, old hat to me.

But then, there are the exceptions. And in the last 12 ten months alone, I was approached by several younger women. One I know for sure was 25, because I was involved in a project with her, the others I have no exact idea. But here's the typical scenario:

They don't know my age. I don't tell. It's no one's business. I'm at a bar or at a friend's party or through some social networking event. Maybe they've had a drink. Maybe the lights are lowered as they tend to be in bars. I also don't look my age nor carry myself as an "old man" nor dress frumpy or out of style. I workout, eat right, I'm in shape, have a head full of hair, not much gray, sport a goatee, wear nice clothes. To think of myself as being "old" actually makes me laugh. Pierce Brosnan is my frickin' age for cryin' out loud, and up until recently he was James Bond!

And then also, there are some "older" women, 30s and 40s, that are actually kind of hot. And they're freer about their sexuality, especially it seems when they get to 40. And because most men as they age DO become out of shape and unappealing - and boring - or die... guys like me become more desirable.

a smart man told me once you can't fool mother nature

But you can slow her down.

IMO, best years for a guy are his early 40s. You can pull a wide spectrum of age range and your appeal is that you've gone somewhere in your life, you know what you like, you have achieved and you've gained experience.

 

[STR8UP]

In my personal experience the best gaming years to get girls are between the ages of 21-28.

So what you are saying is that even though I haven't changed my core personality, that the fact that I get more attention from women at 37 than at 21 is imagined??

1. When your younger you tend to be around younger people and this includes younger woman. It is no secret that the hottest age range of woman is between the ages of 18-26.

I have a couple of social circles that are in this age range, and I'm not ashamed of it in the least. If you choose to only hang with old fogies...it's all you....

2. When you hit the age of 28 your friends will get married and get out of the club scene and the party scene. You will probably go out less because of this.
The less you go out the less social interactions your going to run into and thats bad for getting a alot of woman.

my social life is better than it's ever been. I have friends in marriages and relationships that have "disappeared", but for every one of them there are two who AREN'T held back and are looking to get out and enjoy life.

3. The style of each generation changes. If you go to the trendy clubs now people wear mohawks, and half hawks, and the messy spiky look. When your 35 and run your own business you cannot afford this look and many guys in there 30's can't pull it off anyway.

Who says? What kind of business are you in? In my business(es) I can sport whatever hairstyle I choose.

I met a 47 year old woman at a concert tonight. I was with another woman, so I didn't get into a deep convo with her, but she was asking my age and was surprised to find out that I will be 37 in a few weeks. She thought I was about 30. She complimented me on the fact that i don't look my age. Maybe the spiky hair had something to do with it??? Hmmmm.....

21 year old girls like this look. Some of the younger girls I have fvcked told me to sport this type of look, but that would be ridiculous and my work doesn't allow me to do that.

Too bad for you. I'm my own boss and I am involved in two different businesses where I am "allowed" to look however I want. I feel sorry for people who have to sacrifice their individuality for their paycheck. i guess that's part of the reason why I do my own thing.

4. As people age they usually get uglier. Bald, fat, Wrinkles. beauty is associated with youth. Not as much for woman but it is a factor with us too. There are many things you could do to slow down the process... But a smart man told me once you can't fool mother nature and he was right.

Absolutely false.

I'm bald. But I sport a rockstar quality hairpiece. Even when i was in my early 30's shaving my head I had a hot 21 yr old /gf. Moot point.

I don't have many wrinkles, and as you can see from the above comment I am usually mistaken for being younger. I understand that genetics come into play here, but if you take care of yourself you can age VERY gracefully.

I don't see myself as uglier. I see myself as MORE attractive now than ever. And in case you haven't figured it out yet.....women are attracted by much more than just "looks" and "youth".

5. If your 43 a smart 21 year old girl with a good family will probably not get serious with you. Sure you could fvck them but it will not go anywere. When your 43 your dating pool if your good looking is 28-34 and if your average than 37-43.

When you are 43 you shouldn't be looking at a 21 yr old as LTR potential.

Hell, when you are 23 you shouldn't be looking at a 21 yr old as LTR potential. So what is your point?

When I am 43 I would be perfectly happy with women in the 28-34 range. I don't see the problem.

The bottom line is that younger woman are the prize in our society and when your 53 the prize will disappear before your eyes unless your a celebrity or something of that nature. You will be too old to game girls in the club. Your Too old to cold approach younger woman. Nobody wants to date there dad.

All the more reason to strive to be "the man". Or you can give up and sit at home and rot away in your recliner......

Most of the guys here that say my best gaming years were in my 30's and 40's say this because there game sucked sh1t in there 20's. If they knew what they knew now than there game in there 20's would be better than 30's.

I had plenty of attractive women when I was in my 20's. And the "If you knew then what you know now" example is ridiculous because this stuff only comes with WISDOM that is acquired over the years.

I am 32 and have not noticed a decline in me gaming woman. Most 21 year old girls would rather date a guy 27-28 than 34.

I agree. That's what they SAY anyway. Doesn't mean sh!t though, cause women's words are pretty much worthless.

Not saying you can't pull it off. I would say the best gaming years for 90% of men are in there 20's.

Absolutely false. I get more attention from women ranging in age from 21-40 than I EVER did in my 20's. Good luck going into your 30's and 40's with that attitude. I would have never imagined it to be like this, but who am I to complian???

If your a good looking guy you could extend your gaming years to about 37-38, but this game is just like sports and everyones game will decline.

Oh man.....I only have a YEAR left? That sucks.

I'm glad I don't share your POV.

 

[Solomon]

Good posts from all of you (especially str8up)


I have a follow up question regarding something colossus said

Do most of you feel your best gaming years where in your 20s? I mean I figure just like any sport doesn't your game improve as you get older?
I mean I'm only 24, but compared to 5 years ago, I'm far from the afc, I use to be, hell even compared to 2 years ago

 

[STR8UP]

Do most of you feel your best gaming years where in your 20s? I mean I figure just like any sport doesn't your game improve as you get older?
I mean I'm only 24, but compared to 5 years ago, I'm far from the afc, I use to be, hell even compared to 2 years ago

Your game depends solely on YOU, so your game might not necessarily improve, but it doesn't have to because your stock goes up. Your success rate should improve regardless of whether or not you step up your "game". Make sense?

It has also been mentioned before that not only does your value as a man increase throughout your 30, 40's and even 50's (assuming you are improving yourself as a man), but also the pond you can fish in gets bigger. When I was 22 I was hooking up with women age 18-24. Now that I'm in my 30's I have had women from age 20-30 something, and I could go much older if desired.

 

[MacAvoy]

One important thing to remember is that when you are 30+, you have 10+ years of experience than when you were 20. That experience is extremely valuable and can overcome any increase in looks.

A second very important factor is the wealth that you will also have accumulated over the 10+ years. It will also impact your game immensely.

All that being said, I don't really notice a huge difference in my game from then and now. I get roughly the same amount of women except I have alot more awareness and knowledge why I'm getting them now.

Colossus made a good point about story telling as well. I never really thought of this but its a huge part of my game. Its also why I excel in my social circle and why I'm not great in the club scene. Its a great skill to have, I've got to learn to incorporate it into my club game.

 

[reset]

The older you get the more confidence you get just from having made it that far. Even if you don't have too much experience with women, the successes you get from surviving the world we live in and life in general gives you the aura of a guy who's been around and has fought some battles.

I had plenty of chances when I was younger to hook up, parties, clubs, you name it, I was surrounded by tons of women my age. But I was too much of a wuss to take advantage of it. I was way too self-conscious. I didn't have a sense of self. I didn't have any life experience under my belt. I do now.

Once you get some success it starts giving you confidence and by the time you hit your 30s you've most likely been through some serious shyt in your life and have been tested by life.

What I'm doing is taking this confidence and applying it to women. I've survived things much worse than chicks.

 

[MoveYourAss...]

I'm 37 now and what I can tell you up to now: don't worry. Just invest in yourself and get better, educate yourself, free yourself of some **** you might carry around and stay fit and courageous.

For me personally the preferred age is something like 27-33, but I'm flexible about that. I got something now with a girl of the same age, started with a mid-twenty (high attraction & comfort, no sex yet), and even spent 2 nights this year with a mid-forty. The latter is an exception, though. But I was amazed with her body, a dancer.

All this with basically no effort at all from my side. Just go out from time to time and have a good time.

The younger ones are very often to immature, I'm afraid. No life-experience, completely different life-situation etc. Often just crap out of their mouth, and to many dreams still. And a hot ass alone doesn't do it for me. Flirting from their side is on like never, however, even from below 20's. I do not blame this on my age, though, but onto my self-development in recent years. As Mr. Me called it, charisma. That's key.

In so far I can support reset's post completely.

Some women 30 to my age get more complicated, playing a lot of stupid tests, feeling extra-smart. This turns me off however if I feel medium attraction, like "Hey, why not, I like the way she ... whatever". If I'm really hot for them it usually doesn't matter, nut-cases excluded. Others get much more relaxed about the whole thing, down to earth.

Money is a great asset, but not as important as you might think.

You just get more relaxed, knowing what you like, not willing to take so much crap.

About storytelling: Bores me to death to use canned material. In a good mood, I make up a lot of hilarious / "daring" /sexy stuff on the fly. They love it. And I have a good time, too. Perfect. It shows spontaneity, creativity, beeing comfortable with sexuality, charm....

 

[pua1989]

i was on the train once and i told this hot a$$ aussie chick that i was the guy on the cover of DirtRider (a dirtbiker magazine for those who dont know because i like to ride dirtbikes)..needless to say i got her number

i think im gonna start lying and telling crazy stories to girls now if im only looking for a ONS (i told her i was on the train to get up north to a famous freestyle track for a competition haha i wish i was that good)

 

[MacAvoy]

About storytelling: Bores me to death to use canned material. In a good mood, I make up a lot of hilarious / "daring" /sexy stuff on the fly. They love it. And I have a good time, too. Perfect. It shows spontaneity, creativity, beeing comfortable with sexuality, charm....

About storytelling. I've never used canned material. I've always used real stories from my real life. People love it man, it also builds my social proof because they see that I've lived an exciting life, they see about my creativity, spontaneity and they get to see my charm while I'm telling the story. They also see that I'm a fun guy and that everyone loves me.

It truly works wonders and I've never realized the value of it till reflecting in this thread. However you've got to be able to deliver the story.

 

[DonJuan11]

He told me that when he turned 26/27 it came together for him, and his game was just automatic to a point were **** would just happen even when he didn't try and contributes the fact to gaining maturity and the fact that younger women love older men

my question is, is he reaching with this claim or does it make sense?

The girls told me to go to hell at 27, then when I hit 28, they got weak knees.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

SOLOMON, I think where your buddy's at is that he's discovered what works for him and he's aware of it now. He's come into an understanding of what type of targets respond best to his strengths (story telling, etc.). Is this a maturity thing? Not necessarily. For myself, between the ages of 17 (when I first got laid) until about 22 I was an AFC and completely oblivious to the process. It was hit or miss and I felt I was 'lucky' when I happened to get laid. By 22 I was playing in the Hollywood metal scene of the late 80's - early 90's and everything clicked for me at that point. I could literally walk into a club and know which women I could bang that night. I wasn't aware of WHY they were likely to be potential ƒucks, I just subconsciously learned the type, expected the reactions and moved on from there. It's like watching TV; we don't know how the thing works, but we enjoy it anyway. Consequently, between the ages of 22 and 28 I knocked it out with over 40 women.

All that said, I do think that with maturity comes (or should come) a better understanding of the interplay in the game. Some guys accept this and use it to their advantage, some reject it thinking it unethical and want to change it, and still others never really either question or are ignorant of it. There are guys who are 'naturals', who look good or game good (usually both) who never really question why they have this magnetic ability to pull tail their whole lives and chalk it it up to "being lucky with the ladies".

 

[OTB]

Just my 2 dollares worth ( that used to be 2 cents before the financial crisis)

Wow bro... Beautiful! -----> That just made made "laugh out loud" :crackup: