questions about tonality

[much2learn]

Ok, I am pretty ignorant still about SS so forgive me for cluttering up the forum with a basic question, but:

what exactly does it mean to speak from your diaphram???????????????????? how can I tell if I'm doing this, and how can I learn to if I'm not?

 

[SexPDX]

Put your finger on your nose. Say something. Put your finger on your mouth. Say something. Put your throat. Say something. Now put your hand in the middle of your chest and say, "this is where I have to talk from to get women's panties wet." See how different that sounded? Now just learn to control your voice without having to use your finger as your focal point of where your voice is coming from.

It takes a while to get this down. In fact there are certain patterns I use from time to time that women like as conversations but I don't really get that they are turned on and that's probably because there is some tonal delivery necessary that I have not figured out yet.

I kind of wish we could all talk in person, these vocal things would be so much easier to demonstrate.

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"Dare to aim high." ~ DeepBlue

"Embrace the unknown." ~ Mystery

"Every human being has so much to offer, it's whether they are willing to give it that makes or breaks their relationship with me." ~ Gunwitch

"All you can do is make sure that YOUR game is tight and your skills are intact. Be prepared for anything and play YOUR game at all times, right down the line." ~ MrSex4uNYC

"Capture and lead her imagination and she will not resist you." ~ Ross Jeffries

[This message has been edited by SexPDX (edited 11-21-2002).]

 

[much2learn]

Originally posted by SexPDX:
Put your finger on your nose. Say something. Put your finger on your mouth. Say something. Put your throat. Say something. Now put your hand in the middle of your chest and say, "this is where I have to talk from to get women's panties wet." See how different that sounded?

Uh, no.

I didn't really detect any difference. The only thing I noticed is that when my hand is on my chest or on my throat, I can sense a vibration when I speak. The strongest vibration is from my throat, which makes sense because that's where everyone's vocal chords are.

Now just learn to control your voice without having to use your finger as your focal point of where your voice is coming from.

It takes a while to get this down. In fact there are certain patterns I use from time to time that women like as conversations but I don't really get that they are turned on and that's probably because there is some tonal delivery necessary that I have not figured out yet.

I kind of wish we could all talk in person, these vocal things would be so much easier to demonstrate.

How exactly do I use my finger to focus on projecting my voice from that region?

I have always had sinus issues since being a kid. The membranes in my nose often become irritated for no apparent reason. I believe this makes tonality my achilles' heel in this game.

I really would like to get this down in the next few weeks because I anticipate having a perfect opportunity to try all this out over Christmas!

 

[SexPDX]

much2learn wrote:
How exactly do I use my finger to focus on projecting my voice from that region?

I just kind of...DO. lol. Seriously, I think this is probably just something about my personal kinesthetic nature that makes it such that when I put my finger these places I automatically project my voice from there.

Let's have you try something different. Take a random word such as "taco shell". Think of a time where you where in utter excitement, like when your team just one the super bowl and say "taco shell". Now think of a time when you were relax and at peace like walking through a fild of wildflowers with a mountain view in the background and say it again. Then think of time when you saw a really hot chick in a tight shirt and say it again. What differences do you see there?

I have always had sinus issues since being a kid. The membranes in my nose often become irritated for no apparent reason. I believe
this makes tonality my achilles' heel in this game.

Dude, I have more upper respirtory problems than you can shake a stick at (plus I smoke) and I can speak beautifully. You can find a way to control this. Not only CAN you, you HAVE to. I really have to belabor this point because without control over your tonality you will have NO SS GAME.

I really would like to get this down in the next few weeks because I anticipate having a perfect opportunity to try all this out over Christmas!

Christmas is not the only time you talk, is it?

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"Dare to aim high." ~ DeepBlue

"Embrace the unknown." ~ Mystery

"Every human being has so much to offer, it's whether they are willing to give it that makes or breaks their relationship with me." ~ Gunwitch

"All you can do is make sure that YOUR game is tight and your skills are intact. Be prepared for anything and play YOUR game at all times, right down the line." ~ MrSex4uNYC

"Capture and lead her imagination and she will not resist you." ~ Ross Jeffries

[This message has been edited by SexPDX (edited 11-22-2002).]

 

[Awkward]

Try the thing PDX told you again.

Put your finger on your nose...
Say "This is my nose" and try to get the focal point as high in your mouth as possible so you get a squeky voice.

Place your finger on yout mouth and say "this is my mouth" trying to get to focal point in the middle of your mouth. This often sound like you are aloft or a little shy.

Place your finger on your lower throat and try to focus the words "This is my throat from there." This is usually the normal place to speak from.

Place your fingers on just above solar plexus and say what PDX told you to say. It should vibrate if you are doing right.

Practice saying these from the solar plexus:

AAAaaAHHHHAHHHHH
EEEEEHEHHHEHHHHE
OOOHHOHOOHHOHHHH
IIIIIHIHIHIHIHH
UUUHUUHUUUHUHUUU

This is not screams, sit back in a chair and relax, then say these in a strong voice. The first sound a little like when you get an orgasm... Aaaaahhh!

Hope it helped.

--- Awkward

 

[Shiftkey]

Download a few patterns off Kazaa or something. That'll give you an idea of what to sound like. You might also want to record yourself practising the patterns and reviewing so you can match the tonality and pacing.

 

[much2learn]

Hey guys, thanks for the responses.

I'm beginning to wonder if my problem isn't so much in performing these exercises as it is understanding the correct definition of the word "tonality".

Otherwords, I had assumed that good tonality meant not speaking in a nasally, whiney voice. But I d/l'ed the IC pattern (with RJ as the speaker) and listened to it. I can now see that his definition of tonality seems to include more than just not having a whiney voice -- it also includes knowing when to pause for greatest effect, knowing what words to emphasize.

I'm at work right now so unfortunately I can't try those voice exercises right now.

But I can give them a shot this evening.

One final question though for PDX, Awkward, and whoever else wants to answer: did you find that the actual TONE of your voice was previously incorrect when talking up girls? Otherwords have you found that you cannot use your natural tone of voice when out sarging? It seems like it would be kind of awkward to remember to speak in a different tone all night long.

 

[Awkward]

Hey, I was talking a little too highpitched... so I lowered the voice slightly... I had a good tonality (emotions in words, and alternated pitch of the voice, lowering the pitch of commands and challenges), but lacked the pausing parts... I think... It worked with the girls however but men looked at me strange cause they talked in a one pithed voice themselves... Actually it is hard to tell cause there is not a sudden change but gradual.

Good you are smart enough for not starting to sound... ahhhhahhahhah, iihhhhihihh in the office, it will definitly make people wonder about your sexuality and what kind of animals you have in the office.

The only purpose (which I am aware of) of these exercises is to be able to use the lower part of your chest to talk with. It is not common to be naturally able to I think. + you feel more relaxed after the exercises.

Sorry about my english.

--- Awkward

 

[Awkward]

Ohh about the awkward part about speaking all night in a tone which is not my own... (Anyone wanna make a donation so I can take a english class!?)

It really feels awkward in the begining, but later on you will integrate of using this tone in your personality, just like when you do babytalk to babies and stuff... you know. The nervetracks (?) in the brain must be altered many different times to change behavior cause after 10 I think, we do most of the stuff we do on habit. So adpot this way of speaking, then it will be a habit.

--- Awkward

 

[SexPDX]

Originally posted by much2learn:

One final question though for PDX, Awkward, and whoever else wants to answer: did you find that the actual TONE of your voice was previously incorrect when talking up girls? Otherwords have you found that you cannot use your natural tone of voice when out sarging? It seems like it would be kind of awkward to remember to speak in a different tone all night long.

much2learn, I don't know how much experience you have with women in general (independently of SS) but I am assuming you at least have some. Do you remember times when you spoke in a lower tone of voice that was kind of breathy? Like just leading up to sex?

I used a wide range of tones and infliections without even really thinking about it even before SS, because these things come directly from the state you are in at the time. I would not walk up to a girl on the street and immediately start getting in her face talking like the DJ on the evening jazz radio show. Not unless I had some strong intuition that she was horny right away.

You are right, to consciously be aware of your tonality ALL THE TIME would be tiresome and that's not what I am reccomending. The only times you should be consciously thinking about your tonality should be when you are doing exercises like those we are suggesting. You just need to develop your state for doing whatever it is you are doing and have certain habits that go along with that state. Keep in mind that the most important thing in SS is to understand the connection betwen your internal state and your communication.

Recall some of your past experiences (I am making some assumptions here I realize). You know the type of smooth talk you did as a normal guy who was not a seductionist? SS is meant to make that part of the game much more effective in terms of content and delivery.

Speaking of tonality while I was posting this, I listened to a message some chick left on my phone from the department of revenue and she had the sexiest goddamn voice I have heard in a while. I think I am going to call her back and tell her her voice is so sweet it makes me forgey she's calling me to take my money.

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"Dare to aim high." ~ DeepBlue

"Embrace the unknown." ~ Mystery

"Every human being has so much to offer, it's whether they are willing to give it that makes or breaks their relationship with me." ~ Gunwitch

"All you can do is make sure that YOUR game is tight and your skills are intact. Be prepared for anything and play YOUR game at all times, right down the line." ~ MrSex4uNYC

"Capture and lead her imagination and she will not resist you." ~ Ross Jeffries

 

[much2learn]

Originally posted by SexPDX:
much2learn, I don't know how much experience you have with women in general (independently of SS) but I am assuming you at least have some. Do you remember times when you spoke in a lower tone of voice that was kind of breathy? Like just leading up to sex?

Dude, my experience with women is terribly lacking. A few months ago if you had looked up AFC in the dictionary, you would have found my name and picture as the definition. But I'm pretty sure I understand what you mean by a low, breathy voice.

I used a wide range of tones and infliections without even really thinking about it even before SS,

This is all starting to gel now. I remember you used to say that SS personally gives you structure to the way you naturally talked. I believe in this regard we are quite similar, because I am quite expressive when I speak.

You are right, to consciously be aware of your tonality ALL THE TIME would be tiresome and that's not what I am reccomending. The only times you should be consciously thinking about your tonality should be when you are doing exercises like those we are suggesting. You just need to develop your state for doing whatever it is you are doing and have certain habits that go along with that state. Keep in mind that the most important thing in SS is to understand the connection betwen your internal state and your communication.

Could you elaborate a little more on those last two sentences in the above quote? I know nothing about states, habits, connecting them, etc.

I'm not trying to suck the entire BHSC out of you,

I just want to understand enough of the basics to decide if I really want to spend that kind of money on it.

Much thanks to you and Awkward for the help.

 

[SexPDX]

Originally posted by much2learn:
Could you elaborate a little more on those last two sentences in the above quote? I know nothing about states, habits, connecting them, etc.

I hate to say it, but you have some research to do. Designing and controlling your internal state is fundamental to SS. Do some searches on ASF posts in google. I know a lot has been written on this but specific posts escape me at the moment. I may later on decide post a guide to the archives for you guys.

Originally posted by much2learn:

I'm not trying to suck the entire BHSC out of you,

I just want to understand enough of the basics to decide if I really want to spend that kind of money on it.

If you can get away with it, don't. I am sure some guys on here can direct you to some places where the stuff is available. In addition to the BHSC, Ross's unstoppable confidence tapes may help you understand internal represtations.

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"Dare to aim high." ~ DeepBlue

"Embrace the unknown." ~ Mystery

"Every human being has so much to offer, it's whether they are willing to give it that makes or breaks their relationship with me." ~ Gunwitch

"All you can do is make sure that YOUR game is tight and your skills are intact. Be prepared for anything and play YOUR game at all times, right down the line." ~ MrSex4uNYC

"Capture and lead her imagination and she will not resist you." ~ Ross Jeffries

 

[much2learn]

Originally posted by SexPDX:
I hate to say it, but you have some research to do. Designing and controlling your internal state is fundamental to SS. Do some searches on ASF posts in google. I know a lot has been written on this but specific posts escape me at the moment. I may later on decide post a guide to the archives for you guys.

Ok, thanks for the pointer. ASF can be information overload sometimes but I'll certainly look around.

I'm looking forward to trying this stuff in the field soon.

 

[SexPDX]

Originally posted by much2learn:
ASF can be information overload sometimes

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I'm looking forward to trying this stuff in the field soon.

Make sure you're talking to chicks. Even if you don't use the material directly, do it. It's a very dangerous and paralyzing thing for newer guys to get into the mindset that they have to have whatever method they are using (MM, SS, etc.) crystalized completely in their head before they act in the field. It's bad for ME to read as much crap as I do, I just do it because I enjoy thinking about this stuff and it's a well worn routine for me to do so particularly as an alternative to stressful things I have going on. For you, I would have to say that it's even worse than for me because you don't have as much experience. Read the stuff, but PLEASE much sure you are doing something. I would hate to see you get so caught up in your thirst for information that you don't trust your own observations and experiences.

Pook is certainly right about one thing, getting laid doesn't require much reading. Making the game more complicated and developing these skills is something we are doing for FUN.


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"Dare to aim high." ~ DeepBlue

"Embrace the unknown." ~ Mystery

"Every human being has so much to offer, it's whether they are willing to give it that makes or breaks their relationship with me." ~ Gunwitch

"All you can do is make sure that YOUR game is tight and your skills are intact. Be prepared for anything and play YOUR game at all times, right down the line." ~ MrSex4uNYC

"Capture and lead her imagination and she will not resist you." ~ Ross Jeffries