Question from new guy: PA? Proximity Alert, How to Handle

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This is my first post. I have a question, and want to start getting active meeting girls. I am 25 but I am a virgin. I have read a ton of material including DJ Bible. Right now, I do have some serious approach anxiety. I get the feeling that I would be "bothering" the girl if I did so.

For example, I was at the bookstore yesterday. I am seated in a circle of chairs. I see a tall brunette seat herself opposite me. She sits down and we make eye contact. Abruptly, she gets up and seats herself two chairs away from me and repeatedly looks in my direction without making eye contact. After a few minutes, she turns her back and engrosses herself in her textbook. I kept wondering the entire time if she chose the closer seat to give me an opportunity to chat with her, make it easier for me after we make eye contact.

How do more experienced guys get over approach anxiety? Newbies like myself and keyboard jockeys, please do not reply, only experienced pua's. Thank you.

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"I get the feeling that I would be "bothering" the girl if I did so."

Girls are there to be bothered anyway. If she doesn't want to chat with you once you have opened her then just drop it. No harm done.

To make it clear; I don't approach girls, I open girls. That is, when the situation allows me, I say something, anything which is relevant to the current situation. I'm not a PUA, no bullshyt routines to do something as simple as opening.

In your example I could have opened the girl this way:

HB: *changes her chair*
DJ: Haha, these chairs are really pain (Voilà, and it's open)
HB: :)
DJ: Not to mention that I've been reading here only for 15 mins and my ass is already numb.
HB: Yea
DJ: Lucky I found interesting book, it's about ********..

The conversation grows from here. Notice that you had perfect situation to open her, she was close to you and not disturbed by anything. There's zero anxiety when you just do it naturally. It is social thing to do to start some small talk. It's more bothering if there are two people and total silence.

You have read all the material so you theoretically have all the ammo. But in practise your head may become empty. When I was new this happened to me too. Girls can sense even the slightest nervousness you emit. Well, I had too much game related stuff in my head and not enough stuff for normal conversations.

The key is to start having just normal conversations with girls. Good starter is to say whether u like or dislike something. Once the convo gets going you can throw in some of your game. But for starters just be normal. Don't try to pick 'em up. The focus must be kept on having fun, if you have fun then the girls allow themselves to relax around you. After a while you have done this enough and you will find that all that anxiety was for nothing.

And to be honest, it took me some time to hone my "normal conversation" skills. Basically it is now when I know that I can keep the conversation going for any lenght of time about any subject, that I feel comfortable everywhere. And good knowledge of game helps too. After you have all the knowledge start to be social not PUA. Open girls (and guys) everywhere the situation allows. Once you have some tight game (like alpha BL+good dressing) you will notice that girls actually GIVE you chance to open them (like perhaps in your situation), you don't have to approach them (nothing bad with approaching..).

Just something to think about.
 

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TotalAFC said:
I kept wondering the entire time if she chose the closer seat to give me an opportunity to chat with her, make it easier for me after we make eye contact.
I'm no great PUA yet but...

You should have quickly opened her to find out.

Instead, you broke the 3-second rule and now will never know.

Personally, I break the 3-second rule all the time still but still do open. But, within a reasonable amount of time...just after picking my shot and the most opportune time. The better I get though, the quicker I should be able to do this.

Overcoming approach anxiety is the first, but often biggest, step. It requires a lot of confidence in yourself and your life. I think this is your sticking point you need to work on. Just give it some time because without some minimal true high value, you're going to have to fake everything...which won't work very well.
 

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To make it clear; I don't approach girls, I open girls. That is, when the situation allows me, I say something, anything which is relevant to the current situation. I'm not a PUA, no bullshyt routines to do something as simple as opening.
****ing KEY KEY KEY. I can sign every word he writes here.

Two posts for you to read:

http://realitymethod.wordpress.com/2007/01/30/the-approach-vs-opening/
"To open successfully is to be open. An “open” attitude that is constantly ready to exchange a few words (or an entire conversation) with anyone who might happen across your path.

To see an example of this, walk through the densest downtown of any major urban center at the height of pedestrian traffic (right before or after work, for instance). Try to keep track of people who are carrying either the “open” or “closed” attitude. It won’t be difficult, because:

# The Open people are walking more slowly, head up, eyes out, seeking eye contact with people around them, curious and nonthreatening, with open body language, unengaged (but ready to engage).

# The Closed people are walking quickly, with heads down and eyes turned inward, with tight body language (hugging purses or bags close), disconnected often physically with an iPod or Walkman, or texting or talking on their phone, or trying to read a paper while they walk."

Example: Just yesterday I stopped by the store for some things. Went to buy some deodorant -- saw a cute girl standing nearby looking at barrettes and hair clips.

As I walk out of the aisle I say to her, "You know, I would recommend you get THIS one. I use it all the time" (while pointing). (I have very short hair). With a big sh1t-eating grin.

It got a big smile in return and, although she was way too shy to talk much, it was fun.

That's the "Open" attitude. Don't think about approaches. That's bull****.

http://realitymethod.wordpress.com/2007/01/30/how-to-talk-to-complete-strangers-without-anxiety/
"The executive functions, located in our most recently developed prefrontal cortex, gift us with the ability to plan, reason, sequence complex multi-step tasks, and keep track of our place in those sequences. However, walking up to a woman and saying “Hi,” is not complex OR multi-step.

I tell guys trying to learn this to “get out of your head” — but what I really mean is “get out of your prefrontal cortex and INTO your limbic system or hypothalamus”. Basically what I want is for them to regress to the most primitive, automatic parts of their brains, for best results.

These “primitive” or older parts of the brain are what give us the motor coordination to hit the tennis ball, or catch the football, or hit the baseball without thinking about it. They are hard-wired motor coordination skills. They have nothing to do with our internal self-talk.

By taking the “approach” function out of the Executive Function forebrain and putting it back online in the autonomic nervous system, we are making it reflexive, spontaneous, and involuntary.

There is simply no time for the self-talk to intrude."

Opening sucessfully is really a process of DOING, not THINKING. Just DO it. Don't even let yourself START to think about it. It has to be INSTANTANEOUS and automatic....just commit to it immediately, open your mouth and start speaking, even speaking crap, and then you're committed and your higher functions start coming online and bringing all the "seduction" stuff you've internalized online.

Good luck. Report back and let us know how its going.
 

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Thanks for the good tips.

To be honest, I think I am afraid of getting shot down at this point. To rephrase my question, who has been in a similar situation and how did you capitalize? I want to model a successful pickup.

What happened:

1. girl and I make eye contact from across the room. She holds eye contact.
2. The girl sits down. Then makes eye contact with me. Then she gets up and sits two chairs from me rather than sitting at farthest seat from me.
3. girl sits and begins looking repeatedly in my direction (without making direct eye contact).
4. After a couple of minutes, she turns her body away from me. Then begins playing with her hair incessantly.
5. Begins chatting up some girl seated next to her.
6. Older woman friend/relative sees her, she leaves.

Also, would it have been all right to shift from one chair away to the chair right next to hers. After all, she got up from halfway across the room to move for no reason, so it'd be ok for me to move too, right?

Maybe she was trying not to look TOO obvious, by say sitting right next to me and then staring at me in the eye? So, sitting one chair away, looking in my direction, playing with her hair, then chatting up other people were clues for me?
 

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^ Dude, obviously she was trying to get you to hit on her.

What more could she do?

She moved as close as she could, without sitting RIGHT next to you (that would be far too obvious, forward and risky). She gave you loads of EC. Did everything short of opening you.

You did nothing.

So, she gave up and gave you her back.


Look, when she sat down 2 seats from you, you had 3 SECONDS to break the ice. To show you're a confident cat with Game. To do, not think. The ball was in YOUR COURT and she was waiting patiently for you to hit it back.

"HEY....don't come any closer, or I'll bite!"
Whatever, etc.

But after missing that soft serve, you left her no choice but to turn away - because to stay open to you after that point with no advance on your part would only make her look like a desperate loser.
 

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Here's your solution: When she sits down two chairs over from you and looks in your directions, look up from what you're doing and say "You know, if you're trying to pick me up you really should have sat closer, it's too hard to play footsy when you're all the way over there. You're new to this aren't you."

If she's interested, this will work. If she wasn't, she will be floored by your confidence and your chances will increase dramatically.

If you have anxiety about "bothering" girls... think of how womankind has bothered you your whole life by giving you mixed signals, playing games, and making you do all the work in approaching her. It's immoral not to bother them back and not try to get what you want from them, and it makes you weak and unattractive if you don't give it your best shot. Finally, understand that you are going to have to approach and flirt with many girls before it all works out with one. If you look at her as one of 20 girls you are going to approach this week, then you don't have much emotion riding on the outcome, which also increases your odds as it keeps you from appearing needy.
 

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I think there were some other obvious tip-offs. First, we were checking each other out late Friday afternoon. This is typical wind down time for most people, and a good time to flirt. Also, she was much too animated than normal. She was talking up perfect strangers, fidgeting in her chair, playing with her hair incessantly. She was very nervous.

Missed signals:

1. prolonged eye contact (mutual).
2. proximity (she moves to me).
3. looks in my direction (three more times, maybe more).
4. fidgeting
5. playing with her hair
6. talking to strangers

Hmm, 6 signs of interest in a couple minutes.

Quite a pretty girl too. Tall thin Amerasian girl. 18? 19? 20 years old?
 

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Ok whenever you hear people speak of all these techniques and all this stuff do yourself a big favour. Don't take this stuff to heart. The key to this site is to become a better man. Right now your focus'd on girls. By improving yourself girls will just become something you get. Its hard to understand this. But through your self improvement you will eventually start getting girls like mad. It does matter what you do to an extent but everything works if you do it right. And when you become a real man it wont matter what you do they will flock to you. What you need to realize is although your shy of girls they are more shy, they just hide it better. Now the thing about real men is they are a rarity. A women may meet one or two in a lifetime. This is why you will be the goods. Try making friends with guys who are good with girls or who have balls. Hang out with these people as much as possible because watching them approach women will make it more of a norm for you to do the same. When girls start describing you as extremely masculine thats when your untouchable. Being described as extremely masculine means your the catch, they will never find another like you.
 

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Anything about c&f pay attention to though because that is basically the way you talk to girls.
 

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IamtheAlphamale said:
And when you become a real man it wont matter what you do they will flock to you.
I agree with the sentiment IATAM is trying to get across here, but don't misunderstand him: I don't think he's trying to say:

"JUST BE A 'REAL MAN' AND RANDOM WOMEN WILL FALL ON THEIR KNEES TO SUCK YOUR ****"

And that sentence might come across that way to some guys.

Ultimately it DOES matter what you do. Because part of being a "real man" is WHAT YOU DO.

Talking to girls, for example, is a BIG part of being a "real man"....also getting over your fear and anxiety of the same.

Yes, working on inner game and self-improvement is important, but when women are throwing themselves at you with such alacrity, you have to be at least to the point where you can open your mouth and START TALKING.

In fact that's my final piece of advice in this thread.

Open your mouth and start talking!
 

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Wow, are you serious?! You really think she was throwing herself at me?

thirtyplus said:
Yes, working on inner game and self-improvement is important, but when women are throwing themselves at you with such alacrity, you have to be at least to the point where you can open your mouth and START TALKING.[/B]
 

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Actually, in retrospect, I think a girl opened me today. I was waiting for the elevator, along with some brunette girl who had walked in the room.

Her: "excuse me, but is there a staircase where I can walk up instead next time?"
Me: "yes, there's one right outside the door you walked in."

Isn't that strange?! This girl must have known there was a staircase. The staircase is immediately outside the door she walked through to get to the elevator! I guess this is how girls open guys then, just asking some random but obvious question.

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Ya know, kids start kinda early these days. 25 and still in search of the p*ssy, that's a travesty right there.

Go after a nice 19 or 20 year old that doesn't have a whole lot of experience either (you'll be on the same level). After that you'll see all you've been avoiding is a sick game that sometimes ends in triumph and others in defeat.

It's really not all it's built up to be.
 

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TotalAFC said:
Her: "excuse me, but is there a staircase where I can walk up instead next time?"
Why, is this building on fire? :eek:
Where are you trying to go, Heaven? ;)
"Stairs?" What are those? Is that what they used before Stairmasters?

Ok, some of those were cheesy...but point is, you need to C&F to ATTRACT. ANYTHING...but a straight answer!

Giving her a straight answer back is BORING, as it was just a ploy to get you to HIT ON HER to begin with!
 

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Another girl approached me today.

Another couple of girls approached me today....This time, like last time, it was, well, actually the last three times since last week, three college girls have approached me.

This time, it's some blonde girl hanging out with her brunette friend in a video store. I look around over my shoulder at random just to see who's around. I see a blonde girl staring at me intently over her shoulder. I catch her staring, thinking she was safely staring without detection. She is very wide eyed and alert while staring. She looks away abruptly when our eyes meet. She's talking loudly with her girlfriend, and swinging her keys on her keychain wildly around her finger, in a similar fashion to how the Amerasian girl from the first post was playing with her hair.

The two girls walk over directly behind me, and say:

girls: "Look! Sex Addict!" Hee he he heeee!"

They are commenting on the title of a movie in front of me on the shelf. They are talking VERY loudly. Not discrete at all. I guess they were trying to catch my attention. They linger for a moment then drift off.

These types of opportunities seem to be coming up frequently. I'm not really having to do anything to prompt this kind of behavior. Interesting.

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Oh, There's Another Girl

Oh, and before I forget. There's another girl who's been staring intently at me at my workplace. She's also a college girl. Very, very pretty. A Carmen Electra look-a-like. Seriously. But she dresses down and is not stuck up at all. She's kinda shy, actually. Like me. :)

Anyway, I notice her staring at me all the time. Sometimes, she'll just stare and stare. If I move, she moves. I'll see her out of the corner of my eye, just staring. Then, if I move, even a muscle, she moves too. Isn't that weird??

We've never spoken, but sometimes she'll stare and smile and hold eye contact as we walk past each other.

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So quit being a puss and invite them over to your place to "watch or movie" or something. You've had plenty of chances there.
 

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Are you saying this is a normal number of opportunities or an unusual number of opportunities?

ryannath said:
So quit being a puss and invite them over to your place to "watch or movie" or something. You've had plenty of chances there.
 
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