Question for the Older Players - Have Women Changed?

[Greasy Pig]

I only unplugged a few years ago (and recently needed another dose of red pill after a silly situation) but my game was sh!t back in the 90s.
Any girl I banged was basically so drunk, all I had to do was introduce myself and it was on. They were just dirty bar hoes.

But one thing I notice nowadays is that girls seem more `game aware' in that while I'm trying to run game, they're running game as well!
As someone posted a while back: When both parties are running game, you're at an impasse and no progress can be made.
So while we're all lapping up the gems of awesomeness that this site offers, chicks are reading books like `The Rules' and `He's Not That Into You' and running game of their own.

And young chicks nowadays just give that cooch away like so much cheap wine (to guys their own age). By the time they're 20 they've probably already had 20 partners who've fvcked them over.

The young guys have got so much pvssy on offer that they can afford to just hit it and quit it and treat women like crap which, I think makes it harder for the next guy who comes along and tries to run some C&F game. The girls have seen this sort of behaviour nearly every weekend since they were 15.

These chicks have been used and abused (no-one's fault but their own) a LOT at a very young age and they seem to assume every male is gaming them until proven otherwise.
Still, I think solid, tight game can trump all this bullsht. Mine's nowhere near an optimum level but I'm working on it.

 

[Burroughs]

The young guys have got so much pvssy on offer that they can afford to just hit it and quit it and treat women like crap which, I think makes it harder for the next guy who comes along and tries to run some C&F game. The girls have seen this sort of behaviour nearly every weekend since they were 15.

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This.

I'm young to answer this question. I remember being in a hot band in college I was able to pull like tommy lee and I thought it would never end. I thought it was me and not the little bit of fame we had lol! Cue four years in the workforce and I know what reality looks like.

Bottom line power and status matters more and more with every passing year (it always mattered but now it matters more). You have to have your paper game on point plus age 30.

One thing most guys mid twenties have pretty sh!tty jobs. So older dudes who have their lives and looks together should be able to pull younger. But a lot of young girls have very warped sense of age...I know girls who are 20 who won't look at guys older than 23...then again a good friend of mine is 22 dating a 43 yr old due, but he runs an internet company.

Overall girls are entitled as sh!t. They want to be loved without loving in return.

 

[The Duke]

This.

I'm young to answer this question. I remember being in a hot band in college I was able to pull like tommy lee and I thought it would never end. I thought it was me and not the little bit of fame we had lol! Bottom line power and status matters more and more with every passing year (it always mattered but now it matters more).

One thing most guys mid twenties have pretty sh!tty jobs. So older dudes who have their lives and looks together should be able to pull younger. But a lot of young girls have very warped sense of age...a good friend of mine is 22 dating a 43 yr old due, but he runs an internet company.

Overall girls are entitled as sh!t.

I once heard Vince Neil say how he never knew if these girls liked him for the person he was or because of the Motley Crue Rockstar he was on stage.
It was always difficult to determine.

 

[origin138]

I think women have changed immensely in that their expectations and senses of entitlement have bloated to levels unimaginable. The women of my mother's/grandmother's generations are polar opposites of what we see today.

I think one explanation for why women have changed is the huge uptrend in divorce rates. Many women are taught at an early age that "dad is bad". His absence then forms the foundation for her man-hating when she hits her early 20's.

Hypergamic tendencies in modern women are in overdrive because men, by and large, are not men anymore, they are enablers who pedestal unqualified, low quality broads with bad attitudes and over-inflated egos. Most men have become slaves to the pvssy and will go to amazing lengths for it instead of realizing that pvssies are actually a dime a dozen. They worship women like they're some higher power instead of their equals.

 

[Nutz]

I think women have changed immensely in that their expectations and senses of entitlement have bloated to levels unimaginable. The women of my mother's/grandmother's generations are polar opposites of what we see today.

I think one explanation for why women have changed is the huge uptrend in divorce rates. Many women are taught at an early age that "dad is bad". His absence then forms the foundation for her man-hating when she hits her early 20's.

Hypergamic tendencies in modern women are in overdrive because men, by and large, are not men anymore, they are enablers who pedestal unqualified, low quality broads with bad attitudes and over-inflated egos. Most men have become slaves to the pvssy and will go to amazing lengths for it instead of realizing that pvssies are actually a dime a dozen. They worship women like they're some higher power instead of their equals.

Dalrock touched on this recently. Basically as marriage rates climbed it gave women breathing room, so to speak, to not have to focus on getting married so much. The natural result is the unleashing of women's natural hypergamy. Instead of looking for dads immediately out of high school they can bang cads until they get older and their options narrow like they would have in generations past when they were still much younger.

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/03/30/rules-of-the-road-for-fornication/

 

[backbreaker]

i was thinking about this today and this entire thread reminds me of one very specific girl i dated or better stated, a plate i spun about a year before i settled down.

Anyone who knows me, knows i like 2 things; pretty feet and redheads. both make me weak in the knees.

Well I was in starbucks one day, just doing my thing and a girl believe it or not, approached ME. I hadn't noticed her at all until she had the galls to sit down at my table and ask me about the book I was reading which was the god delusion by Dawkins. She basically did an opener on me stating it caught her attention becuase she was an atheist as well. Her name was Andrea. Despite having a somewhat blackish name she was very white, red headed in fact with some of the prettiest feet i have ever seen. She had me at hello lol.

We really clicked and about 45 mins later we go grab some slushes at sonic then go down by and go for a walk some half ass romantic **** and so no more than 2 hours after i met her we are makign out non stop. I am quite sure i could have gotten some that night but i had somethig important to do the next day, what i forgot and i was already out later than i had planned so i called it a day.


The reason that this thread reminds me of her, beucase Andrea, besides having red hair, natural red hair at that, and yes red down there as well, and having some of the softest prettiest feet and toes I have ever seen.. brought, abosutly, nothing whatsoever to the table. She was the equivalent of a woman PUA. Despite being petite and still having a verynice ass she was horrible in bed. she didn't give good head. she wasn't a particuarly good kisser. She had no degree. She had transfered to 5 colleges in 10 years. she was 29 at hte time and in her last semister in school depisite going to college 10 years eralier.

she could not cook. she could not drive. turns out she liked to pop Xanax's like they were Flintstones vitamins. She was not funny.

When I say nothing lol. i mean NOTHING. when i saw her she had on some flip flops (she knows guys dig her feet) and a sweat shirt and some warm up pants. When i first saw her i was like well maybe she just ran in here to get a book or something and didn't wan tot get all dolled up i run places sometimes under dressed that's life sometimes. though at the time i was particularly well dressed. my opint is, I thought she just underdressed then. that's like her entire wardrobe. sweat pants, flip flops and sweaters and the woman has a legit body but had no clue as to how to show it off.

she really liked me a lot. i was in the plate spinning prime and i played it correctly, but it soon became apparant to me that spending time with her was like spending time with a black hole.

She really was like a PUA. you do your first take at her, she sounds half ass intelligent and she opened me talking about richard dawkings i figured she had some game bu tit turns out that's like the only thing she can talk about and not even that really good. I remember explaining to her the difference between LIFO and FILO as she was going to be an accountant and she had to do pros and cons for both and I'm like dude i did not even go to college and i know this **** (Granted I was the CFO of a company for 3 years I lived and breathed this ****) and you have been in college for a freaking decade lol. she had nothing.

here is a 29 year old and mind you, she had oribeters around her as well.. that brought nothing to the table. I mean most girls can do something. like my wife, i mean she isn't just Ayn Rand or anything but she can hold an intelligent conversation. Like Kat the girl who brought me here and who really could not do anything she could the **** out of some mexican food. something. antyh8ing. do something.

I remember thinking you have nothing going for you and there are guys lined up to date you. decent guys too.

after about a month i just faded her out and she found someone who would take her seriously as i sure as hell wasn't going to .

 

[Robert28]

i was thinking about this today and this entire thread reminds me of one very specific girl i dated or better stated, a plate i spun about a year before i settled down.

Anyone who knows me, knows i like 2 things; pretty feet and redheads. both make me weak in the knees.

Well I was in starbucks one day, just doing my thing and a girl believe it or not, approached ME. I hadn't noticed her at all until she had the galls to sit down at my table and ask me about the book I was reading which was the god delusion by Dawkins. She basically did an opener on me stating it caught her attention becuase she was an atheist as well. Her name was Andrea. Despite having a somewhat blackish name she was very white, red headed in fact with some of the prettiest feet i have ever seen. She had me at hello lol.

We really clicked and about 45 mins later we go grab some slushes at sonic then go down by and go for a walk some half ass romantic **** and so no more than 2 hours after i met her we are makign out non stop. I am quite sure i could have gotten some that night but i had somethig important to do the next day, what i forgot and i was already out later than i had planned so i called it a day.


The reason that this thread reminds me of her, beucase Andrea, besides having red hair, natural red hair at that, and yes red down there as well, and having some of the softest prettiest feet and toes I have ever seen.. brought, abosutly, nothing whatsoever to the table. She was the equivalent of a woman PUA. Despite being petite and still having a verynice ass she was horrible in bed. she didn't give good head. she wasn't a particuarly good kisser. She had no degree. She had transfered to 5 colleges in 10 years. she was 29 at hte time and in her last semister in school depisite going to college 10 years eralier.

she could not cook. she could not drive. turns out she liked to pop Xanax's like they were Flintstones vitamins. She was not funny.

When I say nothing lol. i mean NOTHING. when i saw her she had on some flip flops (she knows guys dig her feet) and a sweat shirt and some warm up pants. When i first saw her i was like well maybe she just ran in here to get a book or something and didn't wan tot get all dolled up i run places sometimes under dressed that's life sometimes. though at the time i was particularly well dressed. my opint is, I thought she just underdressed then. that's like her entire wardrobe. sweat pants, flip flops and sweaters and the woman has a legit body but had no clue as to how to show it off.

she really liked me a lot. i was in the plate spinning prime and i played it correctly, but it soon became apparant to me that spending time with her was like spending time with a black hole.

She really was like a PUA. you do your first take at her, she sounds half ass intelligent and she opened me talking about richard dawkings i figured she had some game bu tit turns out that's like the only thing she can talk about and not even that really good. I remember explaining to her the difference between LIFO and FILO as she was going to be an accountant and she had to do pros and cons for both and I'm like dude i did not even go to college and i know this **** (Granted I was the CFO of a company for 3 years I lived and breathed this ****) and you have been in college for a freaking decade lol. she had nothing.

here is a 29 year old and mind you, she had oribeters around her as well.. that brought nothing to the table. I mean most girls can do something. like my wife, i mean she isn't just Ayn Rand or anything but she can hold an intelligent conversation. Like Kat the girl who brought me here and who really could not do anything she could the **** out of some mexican food. something. antyh8ing. do something.

I remember thinking you have nothing going for you and there are guys lined up to date you. decent guys too.

after about a month i just faded her out and she found someone who would take her seriously as i sure as hell wasn't going to .

why do women do this yet the openly despise guys with foot or shoe fetishes? they spend hundreds of dollars on manicures, shoes, etc and yet if you so much as compliment them on it or make a comment, you all of a sudden have some weird creepy foot fetish. they view you as some sort of child porn lover or some stupid sh!t all of a sudden. what gives? it would be like a guy having abs and a girl commenting on it and he blows up at her about having an ab fetish and runs away screaming "eeeeek crazy ab fetish girl! run! save yourselves!" if feet aren't that important to a girl then why spend all that money on them? why is the foot/shoe fetish condemned so much with women when it's the most popular fetish out there? i mean honestly you could have a fetish of fvcking goats and you STILL wouldn't be treated any worse by women for liking to bang goats then you would if you're a guy with a foot/shoe fetish. i'm not going to lie, I buy $80 polo shirts and stuff because I want to look good. why? I want women to notice me. I can say I don't and that I like to wear them, but at the end of the day it's all about getting noticed by women. hell, if I could pull it off by wearing cut-off jean shorts, have a mullet, and smell like 50 *******s in a row i'd do it if that's what women liked. so again i ask, why spend money on shoes and painting your toenails and sh!t if you're going to beat up a guy for noticing it or even liking it?

 

[backbreaker]

lol dude she used to trip me out she would show up at my house in sweets and a tee shirt or sweater lol freaking kept her toes french pedicured at all times. her freakin pedicure cost more than her entire outfit usually

 

[Jitterbug]

Yes they definitely have changed even just in the last few years, which I blame cheap smart phones and the rise of social media in parts. Sense of entitlement is going through the roof while obesity, mental health issues and general lack of appreciation for life are making them rapidly less desirable.

My area is full of 18~25 y.o (near some big universities, so plenty of students and young professionals). On the fat front, it's scary to see how fast they are getting out of shape even at a young age. A couple of years into uni and the party life style and you see the whales coming out already. It used to take longer than that, into their late 20s or early 30s, now it hits while they're still in their early 20s! Then we have these BBW or Beautiful At Any Size bullsh1t and those whales think they're hot stuff and the slim Plain Janes think they're rare beauties.

They also have so many distractions these days that they are never fully with you nor emotionally available. This doesn't necessarily make them harder to bang (it's about the same IME) but it makes the experience & being around them less enjoyable. Some of this come from attention wh0ring on social media, it makes them delusional and appreciate life less.

Anyway I'm already planning & on my way to become an international man of mystery so I will have access to women who are still feminine and appreciate men, instead of this androgynous feminist-ridden lot.

 

[Rubirosa]

To piggyback what Jitterbug is saying, a difference I have noticed over time is how overweight chicks think they are so hot. Their fatness results in a large chest, so they will parade around in revealing tops without giving a second thought to their massive stomachs. I think that a lot of this started in the early 2000s with Jennifer Lopez's big butt becomming famous.
However, I can't totally blame these girls for their self perceptions, mainly because there's always a bunch of guys orbitting them because they (the guys) desperatly want to get laid.

 

[vatoloco]

The ones my age are old now.

I only like young ones now.

 

[020204]

Once the sale of hosery declined so too did female dress standards and a need to convey femininety. They may still be worn by some women but not to the extent there were in the 90s. A lot of women have opted to dress like men and the amount of women who think it is fashionable to be barelegged is pathetic. When I see a women in stockings I really look. I have heard it being referred to as a fetish, if it is then there are a hell of a lot of guys who think the same but are too afraid of the backlash if they express it. Once women start wearing hosery again, then we will see a return to feminety.

 

[backbreaker]

Once the sale of hosery declined so too did female dress standards and a need to convey femininety. They may still be worn by some women but not to the extent there were in the 90s. A lot of women have opted to dress like men and the amount of women who think it is fashionable to be barelegged is pathetic. When I see a women in stockings I really look. I have heard it being referred to as a fetish, if it is then there are a hell of a lot of guys who think the same but are too afraid of the backlash if they express it. Once women start wearing hosery again, then we will see a return to feminety.

i don't think anything in earth pisses me off more than a woman with very nice legs in stockings. like dude why? rotfl


to me stockings are for stubby and fat people or if you are like in a really professional environment, or maybe like a funeral or something. but just going out and wearing stockings i don't get it? i want to see leg dammit. not only that you are covering up the feet. just a double whammy.

you know how pissed off if i turned to fox news and they had megyn kelly on there with some fvcking stockings?

 

[sstype]

I can cosign all of this.

The simple fact the majority of women look and act like men these days makes me want nothing to do with them. I'm seeing more and more plain looking/fat/ugly women acting like their sh*t don't stink. The more deluded ones will make pathetic attempts to flirt with me and I just give them a weird look, outright ignore them, or respond with short one-word answers. I don't feel bad harshly rejecting women since they do it mercilessly all the time to us. I've recently quit letting down women easy because quite honestly, that is exactly the reason why so many of them have out-of-control egos these days.

I'm a good looking guy with my sh*t together but I do my small part to keep these deluded women "in their league."

They wanted equality with men but then still expect us to treat them like fragile dishes. Fvck that.....if they want to play with the big boys, then expect big boy treatment.

 

[020204]

I really like women who wear hosery, the right type as I feel it acentuate s a women's figure. Sure it really gives women not so blessed an edge too. Yeah I agree, there are women out there who want Brad Pitt, but are only dishing up Rosanne Bar.

 

[Robert28]

to combat women's crazy high standards these days i'm going to start demanding nothing less then Adrianna Lima.

 

[AW1983]

i mean she isn't just Ayn Rand or anything

Ha! But then again what woman ever was or will be quite at that level...

The more deluded ones will make pathetic attempts to flirt with me

Doesn't that sh!t just blow your mind man? I'm a pretty damn good looking dude in good shape who dresses well and owns his own business and pretty goddamn charming on top of all that, and I've met girls before through friends or in social scenarios who even if they lost 50 lbs would still only be HB6's and they're trying to flirt it up with me and act like they are a catch. It's baffling. Sometimes I'm so flabbergasted and perplexed that I let them go on a little while to try to decipher what the f they could be thinking. Then I eject from the conversation without explanation haha. Never banged a fatty, never will.

 

[sstype]

Doesn't that sh!t just blow your mind man? I'm a pretty damn good looking dude in good shape who dresses well and owns his own business and pretty goddamn charming on top of all that, and I've met girls before through friends or in social scenarios who even if they lost 50 lbs would still only be HB6's and they're trying to flirt it up with me and act like they are a catch. It's baffling. Sometimes I'm so flabbergasted and perplexed that I let them go on a little while to try to decipher what the f they could be thinking. Then I eject from the conversation without explanation haha. Never banged a fatty, never will.

The problem is tons of guys in our position (good-looking, financially well-off, decent personalities) are so starved for female attention that they'll lap up ANY sort of ego-boost even if its from some fattie. So if these girls believe they have a shot with you its only because its WORKED for them in the past with similar guys.

My philosophy is if you're at least a 6 in overall value, to chase hard 9s and 10s (with confident persistence), flirt and push/pull the 8s, and completely ignore the rest. Guys give up too easily on the women they truly desire and prefer to take the path of least resistance. If you fail, then jerk off to some good porn and be proud of yourself for not dumpster diving. Throw women's ridiculous standards right back at them.
We've been browbeaten constantly by women for being "shallow pigs" and shamed into not having standards. But at least back when men embraced that label, most women, despite their clucking, made an effort to look as good as possible otherwise they would be left out in the cold since even otherwise very average men wouldn't want anything to do with them.

Quit dating and f*cking chicks below your league. Sheesh you would think porn would have raised the bar by now.....

 

[Warrior74]

Quit dating and f*cking chicks below your league. Sheesh you would think porn would have raised the bar by now.....

Porn is like watching Top Gear. You might never own that car, but it sure is fun to watch that other guy drive it! Very few guys say, I want that car and I will have it!

 

[AW1983]

Quit dating and f*cking chicks below your league. Sheesh you would think porn would have raised the bar by now.....

This really is an interesting concept because I think probably a lot of loser (sorry guys) guys find sosuave and start using game and are just totally floored to bang *anyone*. My thing is I'd rather do other things in my life if nothing quality is around then settle for a sub par woman. There is also the indirect benefit to society where I don't inflate sub par girl's egos by giving them attention or sleeping with them.

I can honestly say that even way, way before I discovered game, I never slept with a girl who was below a 7. Maybe the very lowest on one occasion was a 6.5. (And that's by my somewhat high standards).

And hell yes, I'm proud of that. Superficial? Sure. Are women any different though in their ridiculous standards?