Question about Women's Supposed "Power"

[Genghis Juan]

I have read the "Bible" and Doc Love's System and other things, and alot of guys say that although men are the aggressors to make the selection, ultimately the choice is for the woman to make. This point seems to be the root of a woman's power.

But don't you think that this power wears off after awhile; especially after the age of 25yo (women's age)? Men make the approach 99.9% of the time, women NEVER make the approach. Even if a woman is a HB9, standing in a room with 20 guys, she will have other female competition and SHE cannot lure every guy to approach her. There may be several guys who either don't have the rocks to approach her, or who are disinterested in her if she is not their "type". Alot of times, a girl is an HB9 for guy A is an HB7 for guy B. Girls are picky; prehaps out of the 20 guys in the room, she is only interested in 5. Of the 5; maybe only 3 actually approach her. Of the 3 that approach her, one makes a jackass out of himself, the other is a wimp, and the final one is a DJ. So she gives him the number. But if he is a DJ, chances are, her number is one of many.

I know of a few HOT single girls attending my B school who cannot find a guy! Most of these women are in the later 20's, and they want to settle down. Maybe this power of selection that a woman posses, falls off the cliff as they age, particularly after the age of 25yo. Practically all the guys in their late 20's and older in B school are married. I screwed up with an HB9 who was obviously hitting on me a year ago (before I knew of the ways of the DJ.)

Alot of people tell me that the number of available single men in their late 20's and older fall off the cliff, so if women are still single after the age of 25, it becomes SIGNIFICANTLY harder for them to excersize their power. Add in the Biological Clock factor, which makes a woman more eager to settle-down, and less eager to shop-around, that really weakens their position.

I really believe, that the pendulum swings in favor of men when dealing with women looking for LTR's who are of the age of 25yo and older. Think about all the men you know who are single in their early 30's; I think most of them go after the women in their early 20's. That means, that single women in their late 20's, looking for men their age or older, MUST compete with women younger than they are! Obviously, the younger age group of women have a larger population of single women than the older group, so the women in their late 20's are outnumbered! What do you guys think of this?

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

Your assessment is correct and right on. Women are desperate to marry after the age of 26 because there 'good looks' can fade at any moment and they would no longer have this attractiveness to their advantage. they are competing with younger women who men prefer!

Actually, the men have 100% of the deciding power because if 'we' never approach a woman, 'she' would 'never' get the opportunity to make a decision. It is solely who 'we pick' and whether 'they' acquiesce to our wooing advances!

 

[Sexy_Malibu]

Men make the approach 99.9% of the time, women NEVER make the approach. Even if a woman is a HB9, standing in a room with 20 guys, she will have other female competition and SHE cannot lure every guy to approach her. There may be several guys who either don't have the rocks to approach her, or who are disinterested in her if she is not their "type". Alot of times, a girl is an HB9 for guy A is an HB7 for guy B. Girls are picky; prehaps out of the 20 guys in the room, she is only interested in 5. Of the 5; maybe only 3 actually approach her. Of the 3 that approach her, one makes a jackass out of himself, the other is a wimp, and the final one is a DJ. So she gives him the number. But if he is a DJ, chances are, her number is one of many.

The only flaw in this thinking is that you assume that the woman will wait for the men to make the approach. Where is it actually documented that women never make it? (And btw, if men make it 99.9% of the time and women 0% of the time, what happens during that .1% of the time? Do the men and women just walk into each other?)

Your assessment is correct and right on. Women are desperate to marry after the age of 26 because there 'good looks' can fade at any moment and they would no longer have this attractiveness to their advantage. they are competing with younger women who men prefer!

Some women are desperate to marry at age 15. Some women are never desperate to marry at all. And let us not forget that men's looks fade with age as well, as do... other attributes and skills.

 

[Genghis Juan]

Malibu:

Some of your points are valid in reference to some women never ever desperate to get married while some are desperate to get married from day one.

However, my argument or mode of thinking is making the implicit assumption that the women I refer to are women who would like to settle down in marriage to have kids before the "clock" stops ticking.

Obviously women who have no intention of settling down will not undergo the phenomenon I described. But from personal experience and my circle of friends and acquaintences, MOST women do want to settle down and have kids, at some point, which would inevitably lead to a sense of urgency on their part.

As far as the approaching thing goes, I think we all know that expect for the rare "chance" encounters, men are the ones that have to make it happen. The other 0.01% of the time may be when a women, after good conversation with a man, in a context other than a "pick up", gives the man her phone number. But even in that case, the man has to make the call and make the plans.

 

[Genghis Juan]

One other thing Malibu:

While all peoples' looks fade with time, including men. The fact of the matter is that men age gracefully, while women already have lost their peak looks by the age of 28. For proof of this, look at all the older men with younger women. Not just the rich celebreties, Im talking about men in their late 30's with women in their early 20's. How many women in their late 30's, or older, are with younger men in their early 20's?

Finally, men in their 40's can still impregnate women, while women in their 40's still single will have to join the convent.

 

[Crank_It_Up]

Originally posted by Genghis Juan
...I really believe, that the pendulum swings in favor of men when dealing with women looking for LTR's who are of the age of 25yo and older. Think about all the men you know who are single in their early 30's; I think most of them go after the women in their early 20's...

I believe the real power of women is simply the power of their sex. Guys have a stronger sex drive than women... unfortunately, this puts women in control of the situation. Guys spend a lot of time plotting and planning different ways to get women into bed. This site is a good example. This power doesn't fade with the woman's age, but continues until the guy can no longer have sex.

 

[j_kat_251]

as do... other attributes and skills.

Awwww, Malibu thinks that because she'll be horny as a dog at 40, and a guy might not be able to perform 1 time in 10 at that age... that she has limitless power. Not quite sweetheart.

 

[WaterTiger]

Originally posted by j_kat_251
Awwww, Malibu thinks that because she'll be horny as a dog at 40, and a guy might not be able to perform 1 time in 10 at that age... that she has limitless power. Not quite sweetheart.

....He says at the tender age of 18. If older men are SO potent then why are they all buying Viagra????

 

[Sexy_Malibu]

Awwww, Malibu thinks that because she'll be horny as a dog at 40, and a guy might not be able to perform 1 time in 10 at that age... that she has limitless power. Not quite sweetheart.

Actually sweetheart, I wasn't implying that I (or any women) would have "limitless power". I was saying that neither men nor women will really ever have limitless power (and whatever *power* they do have is to be determined). But 1 in 10? For your sake, let's hope those are your odds at that age (or even now).

 

[strong like bull]

women make the decision.

regardless of who you are, how strong your game is, how much money you have, what car you drive, how big your house is, women make the decision. you could spit game all night, its ultimately her choice to let you in.

just like in nature, females choose the best protector/provider. males put on the shows, tests of strength, alphaness, whatever. but females choose.

for the most part it is, their "power of sex." the average healthy male wants sex, the average healthy female understands that men wants sex, and uses that as her leverage. thats it. its her card to play. if men could freely choose to have sex with whatever woman he met, they would have no value. itd be like a stock market crash. the market of lust would be flipped upside down.


SLB.

 

[MysteryWoman]

I have to laugh at some of this information on this thread. True a women's looks does decline with age and of course she will never have the same power she had as she was in her twenties, but this does not mean that all older women are single and can't get laid.

As for men becoming more attractive as they get older, men have a lot of confidence in themselves and our obvioulsy deluded. Older men are more attractive= more money. And of course the man a woman marries isn't the man she always chooses to have her children (Read Baker and Bellis' study 1978 and the Red Queen). It's a bit of a trade of deal guys can look ugly if he has enough money to pay for it.

The majority of mature men DO NOT END up with women a LOT younger than themselves, have a look the next time you walk down the street.

But really makes me laugh is that some middle age men believe that women get sexually turned on by them (maybe if you are Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt in the looks department). Believe me when a young women closes her eyes and probably cringes whilst having sex with an older guy (she is probably thinking about some young handsome stud to get turned on).

And most young women who end up with rich older men, mess around with gigglos behind their backs.

Truth is if a man is ugly with no money he might as well cut of his d!ck... (Howard Stern)

 

[Genghis Juan]

Mystery Woman,

You make an excellent point.

So what are the options for an old, ugly and bitter bytch such as yourself? Oh...thats right...to spend her free time posting on a men's dating site whenever another guys she likes blows her off.

 

[backbreaker]

I can attast to that.

My stepmom, who I actually tried to talk to 6 years ago when I was in high school (saw her at a party) is 24, she is married to my dad, who will be 44 this year.

Looking at him, he is very athletic, around my height (5'10) and pretty well built and doesn't look anthing past 32 or so. Often gets mistaken for my older brother.

And I make more money than he does, which isn't bad becuase I do well, but I am not a millionare by any means.

 

[MysteryWoman]

Originally posted by Genghis Juan
Mystery Woman,

You make an excellent point.

So what are the options for an old, ugly and bitter bytch such as yourself? Oh...thats right...to spend her free time posting on a men's dating site whenever another guys she likes blows her off.

Oh dear you are 28 years old!, older than me
Better start getting out the anti wrinckle cream as you are almost 30!

 

[Island]

Women do not have that much control

Ok guys, don't buy into all that female power thing. Sexual power is important for gender, kay? It's important for self esteem, and I think that everybody should be proud of their own genders and not have to defer to superiority.

First of all, we're talking about free choice here, and nothing like rape or other coercion. We're talking about the mating and courtship dance.

You are the pursuer, the woman is the evaluater. You may construe this as the woman having more power, but reframed a different way:

You are the fisherman, and the woman is your catch.

Now you could go and get massive trawlers. But let's say you're an artist. The fisherman chooses his bait carefully, selects the hotspots, and enjoys the game because it fulfills him.

The fish in this instance does not really have that much power because the bait is irresistible to her. She has a primal need for it.

That's the relationship. We're the fisherman and our game in the entirety is the bait.

 

[AMF]

Re: Women do not have that much control

Originally posted by Island
Ok guys, don't buy into all that female power thing. Sexual power is important for gender, kay? It's important for self esteem, and I think that everybody should be proud of their own genders and not have to defer to superiority.

We're talking about the mating and courtship dance.

You are the fisherman, and the woman is your catch.

The fisherman chooses his bait carefully, selects the hotspots, and enjoys the game because it fulfills him.

Can I join your commune?

 

[Crank_It_Up]

not only do women control all the sex, they also control the money too

 

[Survivor]

The only power you should be concerned with is your own ability to embrace failure and rejection.

All that matters is the power of choice. You can either choose to apply the lessons learned from your experiences or choose not to.

You approach with funky breath. She rejects you. You can choose to let go of your ego and take some altoids, or complain for the rest of your life how "women have all the power".

You can choose to complain or choose to improve yourself.

It is the choices that a man makes throughout his life that determines how much confidence and power he has in with dealing with all people, not just women.