Question about child support

[Call_Me_Daddy]

Please, just quit this site already...you're a rude, obnoxious, ignorant feminist of low intelligence. Please go post on a feminist board where you'd fit right in.

No. You got it all wrong. She is not ignorant. She knows exactly what she's doing.

 

[Wyldfire]

Note, paternity is not defined as genetic determination, but "legal" determination.

Legal determination may or may not include DNA testing. And after a very short deadline, DNA testing cannot even reverse what has already been "legally" determined!

Please, just quit this site already...you're a rude, obnoxious, ignorant feminist of low intelligence. Please go post on a feminist board where you'd fit right in.

wayword...there is always some little piss ants like you who devotes his time to trying to chase me off this site by flaming me and making personal attacks. They have never succeeded. I've been here around 6 years and am not going anywhere. Much better flamers than you have tried and failed...sometimes up to 20 at a time thinking ganging up would work. It didn't...it just caused me to have an incredibly high post count. If you can't deal with me being here then YOU leave...no one is forcing you to post here. Besides...since all you ever want to do is cry about feminism and how evil women are you clearly belong on an anti-feminism site.

The ONLY time "legal" paternity doesn't involve a DNA test is when the child was conceived, born and raised within marriage or a common-law situation. In cases like that it is assumed who is the father...and even then all the guy has to do is write a letter to the court and state that he suspects he may not be the father and would like a DNA test ordered.

A guy who is only dating or had a ONS with the woman who gets pregnant is NEVER assumed to be the father. A DNA test is ordered and paid for BY THE STATE and an appointment is made to collect the DNA sample. There is due process of law that MUST be followed. The ONLY way a guy like the OP's friend would end up being named the father when he wasn't is if he doesn't file an answer, doesn't show up to court, doesn't show up for the DNA sample extraction. All of the guys who piss and moan online about having to pay child support without a DNA test ended up in that position because they did NOT do the things they had to do to get justice. They thought that if they didn't show up and ran away/avoided it all that they would not have to pay. If a guy tries to avoid in this way, then yes, a judgement will be made against him because his lack of response and lack of respect for the court's time makes it look like he IS the father and doesn't care about the outcome of his own fate.

You can call me a feminist all you want...but it's not going to change the fact that I'm not. Whatever floats your boat, Cho-boy.

 

[Deep Dish]

The laws differ from state to state but here in Florida, where I am, DNA tests are grounds to overrule any legal determinations and on a separate issue, if upon a divorce, you're allowed one year to contest the paternity of your children.

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[Call_Me_Daddy]

I've been here around 6 years and am not going anywhere.

That's the spirit!

Its best you stay here anyway. At least most of us know you're a fraud and have an agenda when posting. If you go elsewhere, the other members on other sites won't know your history.

 

[Wyldfire]

The laws differ from state to state but here in Florida, where I am, DNA tests are grounds to overrule any legal determinations and on a separate issue, if upon a divorce, you're allowed one year to contest the paternity of your children.

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It's pretty much the same in all states. There are protections for men so they don't end up being financially responsible for a child that isn't their's. The only way a guy ends up paying for a kid that isn't his is if he chooses to either voluntarily or by not doing the things he's given the opportunity to do to protect himself from false paternity claims. It's those ones that never show up to court or bother to defend themselves who piss and moan after the fact how the child support laws and court is so unfair. It's not unfair at all...they just didn't get off their asses and do the things they were supposed to do.

My ex husband didn't think court was fair. Yet he went in with an attitude while I was perfectly calm. He was rude, obnoxious and disrespectful to the court. I was calm, polite and respectful. He went off on a tirade about how I "kidnapped" his kids and left the state of Florida and went to Vermont against his will. He informed the judge that he was taking his kids back to Florida and was not paying child support. I waited for my turn to talk (my ex interrupted the judge to screech). When it was my turn I explained to the judge that my ex husband had been physically abusive for 10 years, provided documentation of a past domestic assault conviction, and explained that on the day I fled with my kids he had assaulted me again and destroyed the entire house. The judge asked what led up to that. I told him that he took the money I had set aside from my paycheck to get Easter Baskets for our 3 young children out of my purse and took off. He returned with a bag of Andes candies and 6 plastic eggs that you put things in...and two cases of beer. I told the judge that I told him that was it, I was done putting up with my kids suffering because of his drinking. He flipped out, assaulted me and smashed virtually everything in the house. He took off in the car with his beer and I collected what I could carry and the children and went to the neighbors who took me to a shelter. My father paid for me to go to Vermont from there.

Needless to say...the judge gave me full custody of our children and only allowed my ex a 2 week visit in the summer and one weekend a month and forbid him from drinking or using drugs while the kids were in his care. He was unemployed at the time and was collecting unemployment. He was ordered to pay $50 a MONTH in child support in total...NOT per child. He went back to Florida for awhile. He did not pay that $50 a month even though he got a job paying over $800 a week. He bought a new car, new truck, a boat, etc...but couldn't even bring himself to pay that $50 a MONTH. He behaves this way every time he files some new court motion...and the judge never takes him seriously because he acts like an idiot.

My 7 year old daughter has a different father. He and I have never had any problems at all. He handled things perfectly (I coached him before hand on how to behave, what to say, what not to say, etc.) and as a result we never even had to go into a court room...everything was settled in a conference room and we have shared custody, take turns with all holidays except Christmas, and he is welcome to come visit anytime, even on holidays. We take turn claiming her as a dependent on taxes and he only pays $50 a week in child support. We've never had a single fight, argument or disagreement in 7 years.

Notice the difference in how things work out when a guy is not combative and miserable? It's considerable...

 

[stevera004]

I guess this topic hits close to home; what with the bastard children and the outlaw biker (since deceased? please update us I'm dying to know) 'father'. Please tell us more about your life. You are the centre of the universe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[wayword]

Notice the difference in how things work out when a guy is not combative and miserable? It's considerable...

Yea, I noticed the difference:

If you're an alcoholic ahole, women like you will have 3 of your kids and you will never end up having to pay any CS for them.
If you're a nicer guy, she'll have just one of your kids and you'll have to pay $200/mo CS for them.

Yup, that's the difference right thurr. :crackup:

^5 stevera004 & Call_Me_Daddy!

Anyhow, a quick check will reveal the very true mass injustice of paternity fraud these days - where very often DNA tests are deemed inconsequential.

An acid sense of betrayal has been gnawing at Damon Adams since a DNA test showed that he is not the father of a 10-year-old girl born during his former marriage.

"Something changes in your heart," says Adams, 51, a dentist in Traverse City, Mich. "When she walks through the door, you're seeing the product of an affair."

But Michigan courts have spurned the DNA results Adams offered in his motions to stop paying $23,000 a year in child support. Now, Adams is lobbying the state Legislature for relief and joining other men in a national movement against what they call "paternity fraud."

Many men who feel deceived by a woman are in no mood to accept a legal system that doesn't recognize DNA science in such cases. "It's like they are saying, 'Let your wife cheat on you, have children by other men, divorce you, and now you have to pay for it all,' " says Air Force Master Sgt. Raymond Jackson, 43. California judges won't consider tests he says prove that the three children of his former 10-year marriage were fathered by other men.

Many unwed fathers paying child support have never admitted paternity. A 1996 federal welfare law requires a woman to name a father — no questions asked — when she applies for public assistance. A court summons can be mailed to the man's last known address. Many men don't get the notice. The result: The paychecks of 527,224 men in California, for example, are being docked under "default" judgments of paternity that can't be contested after six months.

Colorado, Illinois and Louisiana grant relief only to ex-husbands, allowing them to offer genetic proof. Texas allows ex-husbands four years from a birth to disprove paternity and gives unwed fathers unlimited time.

California Gov. Gray Davis vetoed a bill in September that was opposed by women's organizations. It would have given men two years after discovering they weren't the father to produce the DNA evidence to prove it. Florida paternity fraud bills died this year. A package of bills passed the Michigan House 102-0 but is stalled in the Senate.

Jenny Skoble, an attorney at the Harriet Buhai Center for Family Law in Los Angeles. "If it comes down to whether the only (available) father is going to be on the hook to pay money or this kid is going to be in the situation of having no father, I'd say we have to put the child first."

Trouble could be minimized if all children were DNA-tested at birth or at the time of divorce, says Geraldine Jensen, president of the Association for Children for Enforcement of Support. She says maternity wards should distribute pamphlets telling men, "Get tested now if you have any questions, because doing it later will disrupt this child's life."

Father Shopping is No Way to Establish Paternity. Did you know that in over 30% of tested paternity cases the wrong man is identified as the father? Once the Court has established paternity that man is responsible for paying child support for the next 18 years (or more) -- even if the man is later proven not to be the biological father. This gives a big incentive for a promiscuous female (including married women) to identify the highest earner from among her sexual partners as the father. There is no penalty for a female if she knowingly commits paternity fraud.

Even in cases where the mother and true biological father have later married -- the man originally identified as the father has still been forced to pay child support to that couple for a child that he had nothing to do with. When paternity fraud is discovered the Courts frequently cut off the wrongly identified father's contact with the children, yet still require him to pay child support. Child support is no small amount of money -- it can be up to 50%, if not more of a person's net income. Wrongly forcing a man to pay for children he did not father can wreck his life and prevent him from being able to afford to provide for his own family. It is wrong and should be a criminal offense!

Bottomline here is that women want the baddest thug to sire their kids and the richest provider to pay for them. And our current laws now support this. Welcome to the Fematrix!

 

[Wyldfire]

Making personal attacks is the behavior of the most pathetic form of AFC...

They have allowed their failures and frustrations to turn into hatred, anger, bitterness and irrationally emotional reactions. These kinds of AFCs drive themselves insane with their anger and bitterness instead of trying to change it. You'd think with how long some have been members here they would have put a bit more effort into overcoming their shortcomings...

 

[gmillar]

Haha you people are all retarded. You have no good idea to flame each other, just find some decent evidence to back up your side of the argument, whoever has the best evidence wins, there you go. Stop making personal attacks, it's ridiculously immature.

 

[Desdinova]

This thread has gone down the 5hitter.

CLOSED.