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I know someone who recently had a one night stand. He said that the girl told him that she has her tubes tied and CANNOT get pregnant.

So out of ignorance or whatever the word is the guy doesn't use a condom. She is now pregnant and is trying to get in touch with this guy.

I was wondering what his options are as far as having to pay for/support this child? I mean does her lying to him have any say-so in the matter.

Will he have to pay child support no matter what. I have no knowledge on this matter and I was wondering whether or not anyone else does.
 

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B-Real said:
I was wondering what his options are as far as having to pay for/support this child? I mean does her lying to him have any say-so in the matter.
nope!!!!
she's got him by the nuts (as long as the dna proves it's his)
 

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While I feel bad for the guy...he's not going to get out of paying child support if the child is his. If he wants to pay LESS child support then his best bet is to try to get shared custody.

As bad as it sucks when someone lies like this...child support is not about the father or the mother...it's about the child and the child's right to be supported by both parents.
 

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Child support in the U.S. is about getting the Government from paying wellfare for a child.
 

It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.

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So no matter what, he's gotta pay child support. And to make the payment smaller he could share custody?

And secondly is child support necessary. I mean if this women says that she isn't going to make him pay anything, is the government gonna find out and make him pay. (sorry for the ignorance here).

Reason I say this is because my buddy is my age and this woman is 36. Apparently she wanted to have child so bad that she had to lie to him. And I don't know if she is gonna make him pay anything or not.

Thanks for the comments
 

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Latinoman said:
Child support in the U.S. is about getting the Government from paying wellfare for a child.
That's just it.

When Clinton "reformed" welfare - agencies start collecting more money from baby daddies instead of taxpayers. GREAT.

Problem is, they didn't care if you were even actually the real daddy or not. Amazingly, even if a DNA test proves you are NOT the daddy - if the woman has named you as the daddy - you are still liable for CS! And they will dock your pay, homie!

So absolutely, it don't matter whatever she told him, he can be made liable for CS regardless.
 

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wayword said:
That's just it.

When Clinton "reformed" welfare - agencies start collecting more money from baby daddies instead of taxpayers. GREAT.

Problem is, they didn't care if you were even actually the real daddy or not. Amazingly, even if a DNA test proves you are NOT the daddy - if the woman has named you as the daddy - you are still liable for CS! And they will dock your pay, homie!

So absolutely, it don't matter whatever she told him, he can be made liable for CS regardless.
That's nonsense...post proof for your claims. Cite specific cases where a man who is not the father of a child and never adopted or agreed to pay child support for a child wasn't his is actually paying child support AFTER a DNA test has proven he isn't the father.
 

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B-Real said:
So no matter what, he's gotta pay child support. And to make the payment smaller he could share custody?

And secondly is child support necessary. I mean if this women says that she isn't going to make him pay anything, is the government gonna find out and make him pay. (sorry for the ignorance here).

Reason I say this is because my buddy is my age and this woman is 36. Apparently she wanted to have child so bad that she had to lie to him. And I don't know if she is gonna make him pay anything or not.

Thanks for the comments
The courts figure the amount of child support based on each parent's contribution to the cost of raising the child. If they start off with equally shared custody, they will start off equal. IF he makes more money than she does, he will have to pay only enough child support to balance their financial resources, within limits. If she makes more and they share custody, she will have to pay child support instead. If he wants to go this route then he NEEDS to go into court with his child's best interest in mind. If he goes into it angry and bitter, he stands no chance of shared custody. This is the main mistake men make when dealing with child support. The judge will punish a guy who goes in with the attitude that he is not responsible for his child. My daughter's father was not a lunatic in court and we went the shared custody route. He only has to pay $50 a week. It's always better to go into it open minded and calm and rational. Otherwise, he'll just piss off the mother and the judge.
 

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Wyldfire said:
That's nonsense...post proof for your claims. Cite specific cases where a man who is not the father of a child and never adopted or agreed to pay child support for a child wasn't his is actually paying child support AFTER a DNA test has proven he isn't the father.
Nonsense? Not in our feminist man-hating culture... It's absolutely true - they just don't publicize this gross injustice on feminist sites so you don't know about it:
Besides having 30 days to respond to a paternity complaint, an accused father in California has 180 days to contest a child support order and two years from birth to challenge paternity using DNA evidence (unless he has signed a voluntary declaration of paternity in the hospital under the federal government's new Paternity Opportunity Program, in which case he has just 60 days). If, for what-ever reasons, any of these deadlines aren't met, no amount of evidence can move the state to review the case

Taron James could be slapped with a support bill for thousands of dollars from Los Angeles County in 2002, and continue to be barred from using his notary public license, even after producing convincing DNA evidence and notarized testimony from the mother that her 11-year-old son, whom he's seen exactly once and looks nothing like, is not his child and that she no longer seeks his support. James says his name was placed on the child's birth certificate without his consent while he was on a Navy tour of duty; then the mother refused to take blood tests for eight years, and he became aware of a default order against him only when the Department of Motor Vehicles refused to issue him a driver's license in October 1996. By that time, James had missed all the relevant deadlines, the court was unimpressed with his tale of woe, and he has since coughed up $14,000 in child support via liens and garnishments.

I contact Child Support Services, and their whole thing is, 'Take us to court. You don't like what we're doing, take us to court,'" he says. "Whether or not you're the biological father doesn't matter -- if someone's got your name, and you've...failed to participate in the court date, then you have an obligation to pay child support, period."

U.S. Citizens Against Paternity Fraud, founded by a Georgia engineer named Carnell Smith. Smith paid more than $40,000 in support over 11 years to an ex-girlfriend's child he assumed to be his, until she requested more money in 1999. He then took a DNA test and discovered he wasn't the father, but the court ordered him to pay $120,000 anyway.

For single mothers and their children, the legal climate obviously has changed much for the better.

Which helps explain why so many feminist groups and politicians have dug in their heels to block paternity reform bills.

any change that prevents some unjustly named fathers from supporting kids they didn't sire reduces the amount of money children and single mothers receive while increasing states' welfare payouts.

"This bill says the donation of genetic material makes a father. I don't agree."

"Sheila said to me one day in a hearing room: 'You know, I understand that, through the convergence of science and thousand-year-old common law, we have to work toward a kind of balance. And I side with the kids; I don't really care about this guy.'"
Basically, feminists have reduced men to sperm donors and cuckolds. They care absolutely nothing about fairness...but sucking everything they possibly can out of us like parasites in the Matrix.
 

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I guess I better stop fucking my girl without condoms. Better yet, she needs to go for check-up as soon as possible.
 

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Let this be a lesson to all of you. Always wear a condom!!
It's not just for birth control but also to protect you from STDs!

If this guy had worn a condom instead of trusting some wh0re, he wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

Good luck to your friend. I would contact a lawyer ASAP if she's decided to keep the kid.
 

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when i got my tubes tied, the dr made me sign this form that basically said that it was only 97% effective and that 3% of women can still get pregnant, which might be an ectopic pregnancy (which is also called a tubal pregnancy.)

please keep this in mind because 3% of every woman who has her tubes tied, may still get pregnant.
 

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B-Real said:
So no matter what, he's gotta pay child support. And to make the payment smaller he could share custody?
Tell your buddy to talk to a lawyer.

B-Real said:
And secondly is child support necessary. I mean if this women says that she isn't going to make him pay anything, is the government gonna find out and make him pay. (sorry for the ignorance here).

Reason I say this is because my buddy is my age and this woman is 36. Apparently she wanted to have child so bad that she had to lie to him. And I don't know if she is gonna make him pay anything or not.
The thing is right now your friend is dealing with a liar and since she is trying to reach him after a one night stand she is probably looking for him so he will pay child support (if she only wanted the child she wouldn't have tried looking for him after ONS)Your friend shouldn't pay a dime until he sees the paternity test results after the child is born. And if he is not the father he needs to do this dance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGtWssdauME
 

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wayword...stop fvcking spreading lies.

Here is what REALLY happens in California with child support:

Can I get child support if I'm not sure who the father of my child is?

No. Paternity (a legal determination of who the father is) must be established before child support can be ordered. Paternity gives your child many rights, including child support, access to medical records, government benefits and more.

Can I start my case while I'm pregnant, before my baby is born?

Yes. You may start the paperwork to establish paternity when you are pregnant. If the man you believe is the father denies it, a genetic test can be ordered after your baby is born. (Some labs will only perform genetic tests after a child is six months of age or older). Genetic tests can be scheduled through the local child support agency.

I am a noncustodial parent. What should I do when I get a Summons and Complaint?

You have 30 days to respond (file an Answer) to the Summons and Complaint. A blank Answer is supplied with the Summons and Complaint. Complete the Answer and file it with the Superior Court clerk within 30 days. You may call the local child support agency or Family Law Facilitator.

What if a noncustodial parent ignores or forgets about the Summons and Complaint?

A Proposed Judgment comes with the Summons and Complaint. It will be the order of the court if the noncustodial parent does not respond.

If I file a Response with the court, will I have a chance to talk to the judge?

Yes. If you respond to the Summons and Complaint and disagree with the amount of child support or paternity, you will be given a court date.


http://www.childsup.cahwnet.gov/faq.asp
 

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DJDamage said:
Tell your buddy to talk to a lawyer.



The thing is right now your friend is dealing with a liar and since she is trying to reach him after a one night stand she is probably looking for him so he will pay child support (if she only wanted the child she wouldn't have tried looking for him after ONS)Your friend shouldn't pay a dime until he sees the paternity test results after the child is born. And if he is not the father he needs to do this dance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGtWssdauME
Sure, his friend can talk to a lawyer...but if he takes a combative stance it WILL come back to bite him in the arse. They can't make him pay child support until paternity is proven...period. Even if the girl insists that he is the father it doesn't matter...they will STILL not make him pay a cent until the baby is born and a paternity test is completed. The ONLY time a guy ever ends up paying child support when the kid isn't his is if he is married to or have been together for years (common law) and the woman cheated on him and he ASSUMED the kid was his. That is the ONLY time that ever happens. The OP's friend doesn't have to worry about being forced to pay child support.

If you start off fighting with the mother no judge is going to give joint custody because it shows that you can't get along and have power struggles. That's not in the best interest of the child. If the mother is seeking financial support and the father is taking on the attitude that he doesn't want to be bothered with supporting the baby IF it's his the mother will get full custody and the guy will have to pay more.

If he goes into it with the attitude that if the baby is his he wants joint custody and to be a father to his kid and doesn't fight with the mother during the process he WILL get joing custody as long as he isn't a drunk, druggie or criminal or has some bad thing from his past that would make him look like a bad risk for custody. If you have joint custody you either pay no child support, much less child support or the woman ends up paying child support...and you have more rights as well.
 

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B-Real said:
And secondly is child support necessary. I mean if this women says that she isn't going to make him pay anything, is the government gonna find out and make him pay. (sorry for the ignorance here).
Every day of the work week, I look at people's child support cases. I don't know the full scope of CSE cases, but I see case notes regarding locating the absent parent, establishing paternity, delinquent payments / arrears, with a few mentions here and there about a court case.

If they have enough information on him such as his full name and date of birth, they can find his address even if he's living in another state. Then again, from case notes I have read, if he has a very common name like "Jose Garcia" and there are 75 guys with that same name in the same general location, locating a match is harder. It also does depend on how elusive someone is. There are guys who work under the table and therefore are harder to track, guys who don't live where their driver's license states, guys who flee at any hint they're about to be served. The key point is the state's ability to find a guy depends on the information they have on him. Personally, I don't hold absent parents in too high regard, not after all the "$hit" I see so many pull, but there's always that possibility of a decent NCP.
 
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B-Real said:
I know someone who recently had a one night stand. He said that the girl told him that she has her tubes tied and CANNOT get pregnant.

So out of ignorance or whatever the word is the guy doesn't use a condom. She is now pregnant and is trying to get in touch with this guy.
You fools - never listen to a hor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A hor's mind is corrupt and her body is as well; from this we can deduce that her words are corrupt also - this is the natural progression in deductive reasoning!!!!!

Tell "you know someone" to get a DNA test to verify - if he can't afford it - then he should go on the "Maury" show!!!
 

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Deep Dish said:
Every day of the work week, I look at people's child support cases. I don't know the full scope of CSE cases, but I see case notes regarding locating the absent parent, establishing paternity, delinquent payments / arrears, with a few mentions here and there about a court case.

If they have enough information on him such as his full name and date of birth, they can find his address even if he's living in another state. Then again, from case notes I have read, if he has a very common name like "Jose Garcia" and there are 75 guys with that same name in the same general location, locating a match is harder. It also does depend on how elusive someone is. There are guys who work under the table and therefore are harder to track, guys who don't live where their driver's license states, guys who flee at any hint they're about to be served. The key point is the state's ability to find a guy depends on the information they have on him. Personally, I don't hold absent parents in too high regard, not after all the "$hit" I see so many pull, but there's always that possibility of a decent NCP.
My ex-husband has pulled all of those and more. He's nearing 10k he owes in back child support. This is after I agreed to having them forgive about 5k in arrearages in 2001 because he went on meds and had an epiphany for a minute and went to the court and wanted to start paying child support. I agreed to less than half he should have had to pay because I figured if he said he could afford that he'd actually pay it...lol. That lasted maybe 6 months and then he stopped paying again and built up even more arrears. He is also now refusing to file income tax returns because they take his refunds to give to me for arrearages. Vermont has put a Lien on his house and would have taken his license if he didn't go to other states long enough to get one from a different state. He wonders why his kids are disgusted with him. The sad thing is...he actually can easily afford to pay it...he just likes being all disgruntled, lol. I'd rather enjoy the peace and quiet of not having to deal with his stupid arse...the peace is WAY more valuable than child support. :crackup:
 

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Wyldfire said:
No. Paternity (a legal determination of who the father is) must be established before child support can be ordered. Paternity gives your child many rights, including child support, access to medical records, government benefits and more.
Note, paternity is not defined as genetic determination, but "legal" determination.

Legal determination may or may not include DNA testing. And after a very short deadline, DNA testing cannot even reverse what has already been "legally" determined!

Please, just quit this site already...you're a rude, obnoxious, ignorant feminist of low intelligence. Please go post on a feminist board where you'd fit right in.
 

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