Quagmire911 Lifting Journal

[Mad Manic]

I've always carried a lot of weight in that area, and I don't really give a f*** anyway so more deads for me

Sounds like WBA with his thinking the flat bench is an ego exercise. Everyone has their own opinion I guess. They are just lifts too me. I just want to double said lifts heh. It aint an ego thing, it's a strength thing.

Quagmire

At least with flat bench you're strengthening chest, front delts, tris though which gives great carryover to db presses, dips, shoulder presses, tricep work etc. With Deads it's mainly areas like glutes, lower back, core etc. that get the pounding. These things are hit with Squats and SLDLs anyway. Deads don't give a carryover to anything from experience.

MM

 

[Quagmire911]

100 burpee challenge time-Same again, 9:14.

I had eaten a meal today though so I was heavier

I've been doing it in larger chunks so my breaks are larger. Will try out smaller chunks again, smaller rest times are key.

Quagmire

 

[spesmilitis]

At least with flat bench you're strengthening chest, front delts, tris though which gives great carryover to db presses, dips, shoulder presses, tricep work etc. With Deads it's mainly areas like glutes, lower back, core etc. that get the pounding. These things are hit with Squats and SLDLs anyway. Deads don't give a carryover to anything from experience.

MM

I'm guessing you aren't very experienced.

 

[Quagmire911]

Everyone seems to forget that individualism plays a large role in all of this and what works for one person doesn't work for another. Maybe MM doesn't get good carryover on deads...Equally maybe different people can handle different levels of volume...

 

[Mad Manic]

I'm guessing you aren't very experienced.

You guessed wrong and besides you don't need much experience to find that out. Strength tends to be quite exercise specific anyway, although the best compounds have some carryover though. Deads are an ego exercise IMO. Good for newbie strength increases though.

MM

 

[Quagmire911]

You guessed wrong and besides you don't need much experience to find that out. Strength tends to be quite exercise specific anyway, although the best compounds have some carryover though. Deads are an ego exercise IMO. Good for newbie strength increases though.

MM

I thought you'd only been training a year and a half?

 

[Mad Manic]

I thought you'd only been training a year and a half?

Less, but you don't need to define experience based on time working out. I do SLDLs off a platform anyway so I still have a rear chain movement. I just think people rate deads because you lift a lot of weight, the ROM isn't that big and it's quite static in the way most muscles are worked. I think muscles grow best from direct ROM. BBers rarely do deads, watch the videos. Infact they do Smith Squats instead of Squats.

MM

 

[Quagmire911]

I ain't a BB'er

And I am sure you haven't reached the pinnacle of your experience

 

[Mad Manic]

I will be the greatest BBer of all time. 10 Olympias. Nobody left now, they're all scrawny other than Cutler.

MM

 

[Quagmire911]

I will be the greatest BBer of all time. 10 Olympias. Nobody left now, they're all scrawny other than Cutler.

MM

You are nuts What weight/height are you at?

 

[shaunuk]

Less, but you don't need to define experience based on time working out. I do SLDLs off a platform anyway so I still have a rear chain movement. I just think people rate deads because you lift a lot of weight, the ROM isn't that big and it's quite static in the way most muscles are worked. I think muscles grow best from direct ROM. BBers rarely do deads, watch the videos. Infact they do Smith Squats instead of Squats.

MM

Who's they? MANY bodybuilders do free back squats, get your arse on youtube and have a look man Mate, how is the ROM for a deadlift not very big? You're lifting from the ground until you're stood fully upright.

I wish you the best of luck with your bodybuilding dreams, what weight are you sitting at now mate? You done any steroid cycles yet, because you're gonna need to

 

[Mad Manic]

Who's they? MANY bodybuilders do free back squats, get your arse on youtube and have a look man Mate, how is the ROM for a deadlift not very big? You're lifting from the ground until you're stood fully upright.

I wish you the best of luck with your bodybuilding dreams, what weight are you sitting at now mate? You done any steroid cycles yet, because you're gonna need to

Whenever I watch vids of BBers they rarely do barbell squats. Levrone, Wheeler, Shawn Ray, Cutler, Martinez etc. don't seem to do them. Coleman does though, infact he uses the most free weight movements of them all.

I'm 96 kg, 5' 11 1/2" - 6', bulking up till end of march then cut up for 10 weeks or so. Nope never taken any steroids, but yes I would need to.

MM

 

[spesmilitis]

You guessed wrong and besides you don't need much experience to find that out. Strength tends to be quite exercise specific anyway, although the best compounds have some carryover though. Deads are an ego exercise IMO. Good for newbie strength increases though.

MM

Find one accomplished strength athlete that agrees with you.

 

[wolf116]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=W1KD7cGRDDc
Ronnie Coleman - Deadlift 800lbs

http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/1/1/.1122151145749.DSCN0120.JPG
Mad Manic, this guy has the best physic ever IMO, that back was built on deadlifts.

 

[Mad Manic]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=W1KD7cGRDDc
Ronnie Coleman - Deadlift 800lbs

http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/1/1/.1122151145749.DSCN0120.JPG
Mad Manic, this guy has the best physic ever IMO, that back was built on deadlifts.

He doesn't seem to do deads regularly, if you check out other youtube vids Ron explains his back and biceps workout and never mentions deads. I think he just does Deads occassionally as a test of strength tbh. As for that guy, yeah nice spinal erectors. I think conventional Deads are avoided because of the type of muscles they build up that detract from aesthetics.

MM

 

[EFFORT]

i guess DC is also wrong too having his bodybuilding clients doing deadlifts/rackpulls as main back thickness exercises....maybe he should resign and refer them all to you MM

 

[Mad Manic]

i guess DC is also wrong too having his bodybuilding clients doing deadlifts/rackpulls as main back thickness exercises....maybe he should resign and refer them all to you MM

Cool, maybe he should.

MM

 

[EFFORT]

Cool, maybe he should.

MM

intensemuscle.com why don't you make a post about it on there forum

 

[stronglifts]

Tempted by a smolov Squat cycle Quagmire?

 

[Quagmire911]

Christ another bloody argument- make a thread people!!!

And yes Mehdi, Smolov has been on my mind for a while. My thoughts are I will wait until I get a home gym, although that might not happen for a while so I may just have to do it at my regular gym. It looks like I will hit 200+ and 400+ bench/deads before squat 300+ so it may very well be on the cards in a few months time. We shall see.

Today's "workout" to follow...