Q for fighting/martial arts experts

[Double]

whatsup i have some questions about effectivness


first question is i feel like most people being respectful but some tall guys want to fvck with me just because they are tall. they have pretty much the same built as me, maybe a lil bit more or less but just a lil bit. so of course they weigh more because they are taller, me 5'09, they 6'02-6'05. so although base strength is similar, the way longer arms and legs make for a major advantage. so is there anything to make up for it?? some basic tactic for a newbie`?? im not seeking a fight because basically you can only lose but sometimes i can hardly control my TNT temper so whats up i want to be a bit better prepared.....

another question is in 1-2years i will have more strength than these guys but they will still be taller. who has the advantage then?? whats more effective height or seize?

another question is what is the best body for martial arts? a huge body or more of an athletic build? or even skinny like jet li? what bodyfat is the best?

 

[MVP¤¥¤JI€GALO]

lol man u sound like some kind karate teacher or somthin....but whatever floats ur boat sensei....man seriously do u really need 2 worry bout them tall guys? they cant fight anyhow all they do is swing punches at ya aimlessly..just keep ur eye outN duck also try some uppercut on their nose all tha way up...just dont over do it cus u might put them in tha hospital or somthing lol man ur fine...hey ur tha 1 gettin more pus*y then they r!

 

[Bradshaw]

Originally posted by Double
first question is i feel like most people being respectful but some tall guys want to fvck with me just because they are tall.

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu..... because everybody is the same height on the ground.

Chokes, submissions, & takedowns.

You can teach damn near anyone a chokehold in a few minutes. Some boxers never develop an effective knockout punch.

 

[Laney]

If you're not prepared to kill, or die.... Don't "fight". Back your ass up instead. And if you DO get in a crappy situation, don't "fight" them.... Try to kill em.


I'm bloody serious, people like you piss me off. "Boo hoo, somebody's startin' on me. How do I punch so I can be bigger and badder than them??!"

If the situation's so bad it's gone live, you can die. Hell.... You can slip on a blade of grass and die from the fall, what the hell are people trying to do when they're punching you to the head?!

Grow the f*ck up.

 

[Bradshaw]

Originally posted by Laney
If you're not prepared to kill, or die.... Don't "fight". Back your ass up instead. And if you DO get in a crappy situation, don't "fight" them.... Try to kill em.


I'm bloody serious, people like you piss me off. "Boo hoo, somebody's startin' on me. How do I punch so I can be bigger and badder than them??!"

If the situation's so bad it's gone live, you can die. Hell.... You can slip on a blade of grass and die from the fall, what the hell are people trying to do when they're punching you to the head?!

Grow the f*ck up.

…said the internet tough guy.

 

[Laney]

I'm not a friggin' internet tough guy, hell... I'm not friggin' tough.

Tough guys are the guys that can take a sh*t load of punishment... Me? I hate to be tickled, you can imagine how gettin' hit in the face bugs me...

Besides jackass, I have a damned valid point... It's so easy to die; don't get yourself in the sh*tty situations to start with.

 

[Bradshaw]

Laney: I agree with you fully. People should avoid fights if they can, and they should not fight just to protect their pride. It is dangerous business.

I train in mixed martial arts, and people always tell me “why bother, someone can just pull a knife / gun”. That statement may be true, but I don’t see how that should deter someone from training to defend themselves as much as possible. There are many times in life when a guy is determined to fight you and you can’t get out of it.

If you are out with a girl, and some guy starts trying to get aggressive with her, are you just going to back away and get yourself out of that situation? Leave her to fight for herself? I wouldn’t.

The thread starter stated that he had a legitimate concern that some guys are acting aggressively towards him. Sure he can avoid it for the short term. He could swallow some pride, walk away and be the bigger man, but fact remains that he needs some advice on how to handle this situation. Just telling him ‘don’t fight’ sounds good in theory, but he is voicing his concerns that these guys are going to try to start it with him. It is possible that he may not be able to get out of it.

If he had skill in grappling and submissions, he would greatly increase the chances of surviving (and wining) against a taller opponent. He needed advice on increasing the possibility of having a victory in case he got into an inevitable confrontation. That is why I recommended he train in submission grappling. The advice you gave would not help him if he could not escape the situation.

 

[Double]

good reply dude.

i always try to escape fights espiacially with wannabe gangster gangs. and i do a very good job at it. although i get in situations that are dangerous to some extent a lot when i go out i only had a real fight one time where i had to help a good friend. fortunately the police came in soon and stopped it. however you cant expect that things always end smooth and i want to be the best prepared i can be when dangerous situations occure. and im not going to run away when one single man threatens me just because he is taller, what kind of life is this.


laney, shut the **** up and **** off my thread. your replies have zero use for me. responding to me is also useless because your on my ignore list now. i have no interest in arguing with a stranger over the internet, already have enough trouble with the tall guys =)

MVP,GodsGift thanks for your replies.

 

[torqueboxer]

I have been training in MMA for about 2.5 years now( when I can afford the instruction) LOL. I have since become friends with my instructor. You should be more specific with the situation you are trying to gain more confidence with?

Im not sure what you are trying to accomplish by learning to defend your self. At the least any martial arts or fight training is a great workout, not to mention a great confidence booster.

The first thing you will be taught( by a good trainer) is that you WILL NOT win every fight. And only decide to fight if you are willing to take the lumps that may come with it. For someone who is just interested in gaining some basic skills, go to a mixed martial arts gym( usually in a Mui tai gym) or look up a local free MMA club.
They are getting more common with "the ultimate fighter" show. The mat training that they showed was very accurate as to what goes on in a MMA gym. A good instructor should be willing to start you off slow and ask what type of goals you are after( mine did).

Real fights DO NOT look like the movies. Real fights usually only last 10-15 sec. And are sloppy...LOL Be more specific to what you are looking for.

 

[incognito42]

2 important keys:


Go for the nose


Act, you dont want to be the one in position to re-act





And remember, its not the dog in the fight but the fight in the dog I too am about 5'9 or 5'10. I dont have the problem with taller people picking on me though, I dont exactly get what that comes from. I never start fights or push peoples buttons intentionally. I generally want everyone to like me, even if I dont like them--this is a bit of a fault I have in my personality. But one thing I dont stand for is disrespect. I show people respect and I expect the same in return. When some jerkoff starts with you I would remember that. This world is all about respect. Someone can tell you to be the bigger man, and I agree to an extent (never start fights, show people respect) but this world is about respect and you will never get anywhere in life if people dont respect you.

 

[undesputable]

i dont know why yall are so scared of getting punched....yea it hurts youre not going to die....i box and i know boxing is way different from streetfighting but you still get jacked in the jaw in the nose and you do get stunned. but unless i get knocked the **** out i still go forward and get back at him.

i think what makes a great fighter are the intangibles rather than skill power and speed. If you have a weak mind youre never going to be a good fighter bc fighting is about taking pain and not letting it taking over and shut you down. you can always imporve your skill power and speed to some point.

 

[Deus]

@Double

Okay, so your short.

So am I, just being 6' in a place where most people are roughly 6' 5".

Here's how you do it.

a) don't get into fights.

b) Never surrender, never fall back.


So, how do you accomplish this, one might ask?

On a: When someone is "building up courage" against you, ie, insulting etc, just say, "I ain't taking this" and simply WALK AWAY.

Now, if the fight is unavoidable, DON'T back down. The favourite strategy of "tall" blokes, is to walk up to you standing chest to chest so they can look down on you. Congrats, they just negated their main advantage. reach.

When they stand like that, it's bloody simple, quick hard knee to the groin, 'eadbutt (aim for the nose, it hurts less for you, is easier to reach, and you will most probably break their nosebone, creating massive pain and bleeding on their part, + they look like morons for a week...), kick on their "lower legs"/knees, Grapple and tople over on THEM, then kick/bite/kidneypunch the crap outta them. OR you could just do my favourite.

When someone walks up to me like that, when their halfway through the last step, I simply stab 2 fingers at the grope where the neck and torso connect. hard. then swiftly grab their collar as they fall/jerk backwards (this hurts as 'ell, find the spot on yourself before trying...), and either a)put a leg behind theirs and push, tripping them, or rather to say slamming them hard to the ground, or b)pull them hard towards you, and plant your forehead on their nose.

I've been picked on MANY times, and I've fought almost as many. People have learned that if they do go up against me, yes, they might win, but they'll hurt for a tenday(or more). SO, they usually reason it ain't worth it.

And besides, my mates would severely beat the living outta said person the moment I went down.

Oh, also, read the later part of this guys post, he's a former bouncer, so he knows his stuff aswell:
Gunwhich club method


Happy hunting!
//Deus

 

[Alpine]

5' 10" is short?

And they say there's no nutrition in a Big Mac.

 

[HalfAddict]

If you're not prepared to kill, or die.... Don't "fight". Back your ass up instead. And if you DO get in a crappy situation, don't "fight" them.... Try to kill em.


I'm bloody serious, people like you piss me off. "Boo hoo, somebody's startin' on me. How do I punch so I can be bigger and badder than them??!"

If the situation's so bad it's gone live, you can die. Hell.... You can slip on a blade of grass and die from the fall, what the hell are people trying to do when they're punching you to the head?!

Grow the f*ck up.




I think he hit the nail on the head

if someone is swinging at you with all your might they want to hurt you... shoot to kill thats what the army said.

 

[NewMan]

some tall guys want to fvck with me just because they are tall.

Wrong - it because you allow them to. perhaps it's your attitude that needs to be checked?

who has the advantage then?? whats more effective height or seize?

Experience and training.

unless your prepared to bring it, I'd suggest you not get into a situation. Just walk away.

 

[bullmoose]

U.S. Marine talking, here.

What sustains you in a fight is your willingness to hurt your opponent badly, and to endure physical discomfort yourself while inflicting actual damage on your enemy. Period.

Watch Joe Pesci in Casino if you don't know WTF I'm talking about.

As for body types, it doesn't matter. I know Samoans who weigh 300 lbs who, if they get a hand on you, will end you. I also know 120-lb. Latino guys who'll hand you your @$$ before you have time to even get your guard up. Find what works for you.

It sounds like what you're talking about is not fighting, but rather, an athletic contest to see who can absorb the most physical punishment. That's not fighting. And frankly, homey don't play dat.

I'm 5'10" and 175. Aside from my flexibility, I'm solidly average height/weight-wise, and I have decent practical strength -- I do Combat Conditioning and run a lot, usually hills. I don't lift weights much. I do a lot of lifting of real-world objects in the course of my work, though -- what gym rats call "compound movements."

The last actual fight I got into was an attempted mugging in in Zagreb. I threw my entire body against the side of a guy's knee and f---ed his leg up permanently, and broke fingers on his both his buddy's hands. In the course of getting these shots in -- due to which the entire altercation lasted less than five or six seconds -- I sustained a cracked rib and a concussion that had me throwing up for two days.

By comparison, I had a guy sucker-punch me in a bar here in the States a few months ago. I slipped the punch and stayed away from him long enough to let the bouncers throw the guy out, and earned myself a free drink from the bartender for my trouble. I wanted no part of his macho I'm-Tougher-Than-You bull$#!+. And it sure as hell wasn't worth going to jail or getting sued over.

Best answer is, Don't Fight. If you have a temper, work out. Go jerk off. Work on controlled de-escalation. It looks way cooler anyway.

But when you're threatened, do anything that hurts. You don't need training for that.

 

[Deus]

Originally posted by bullmoose
U.S. Marine talking, here.

What sustains you in a fight is your willingness to hurt your opponent badly, and to endure physical discomfort yourself while inflicting actual damage on your enemy. Period.

--SNIP----

Best answer is, Don't Fight.

--SNIP--

Work on controlled de-escalation. It looks way cooler anyway.

But when you're threatened, do anything that hurts. You don't need trainingfor that.

Aye, I agree...

And a wee sidenote, aim for the soft spots that make's 'em bleed. if someone is bleeding, and hurting, they go scared.. simple psykology.

Oi, bullmoose.. Swedish ex-soldier over here btw

//Deus

 

[bullmoose]

Right back atcha, Deus. Just helpin' the kid out. First day of Boot, our instructor said, "No one likes to fight, but someone needs to know how."

Do you guys have compulsory military service? I can never keep it straight which countries do. It's been my experience that countries where everyone has been in the Army tend to have adults who are the best-behaved -- I would imagine that everyone keeps it in their heads that the guy next to them has also spent a couple of years learning to kick @$$.

 

[Deus]

We have a mandatory draft. BUT only the top 15% are chosen for duty.

AND women can CHOOSE whether to enter the draft process or not.
Nothing against that though, some of the best soldiers I've met or had serving under me were female.

Though, the military didn't "teach" me to fight proper.. I knew that since earlier, I had a bad childhood, my first real streetfight when I was 13ish..

Though, they DID teach me how to stand pain, fight with a shovel/sledge...

And our Kraw maga instructor taught me a few tricks, the "poke" on the grope beneath the throte being one.

Oh, there's an idea to the origianl poster, Kraw maga. Lots of good stuff.

//Deus

 

[Metalixia]

The guy with the most testostorone will win. PERIOD