PUAs are Phony Frauds with Multiple Mansions

[GreatHornedOwl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blTOv3oXdbk&feature=related

David DeAngelo, chose his pen handle with the sole purpose of drawing "customers" in.

"Mystery Method", another one.

The names, the demeanors, the routines, the way they formulate their material, the bootcamps, etc.

They're doing it to draw customers in.

These guys aren't players. They're all college educated in psychology and marketing. These guys are making over 30 MILLION Dollars a year.

They're not using the psychology on women, they're using it on YOU to make them money.

(I used one of his tactics for my thread title)

 

[Igetit!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blTOv3oXdbk&feature=related

David DeAngelo, chose his pen handle with the sole purpose of drawing "customers" in.

"Mystery Method", another one.

The names, the demeanors, the routines, the way they formulate their material, the bootcamps, etc.

They're doing it to draw customers in.

You said that David Deangelo chose his pen name for the "sole purpose" of drawing in customers,and Mystery with his "Mystery Method" did the same thing.

Uhh...yeah,so? Is there something wrong with trying to attract more customers to your business?


Both of them have companies,and companies are in business to make money.

You almost make it seem as if they're doing something wrong.



They didn't start out as entrepreneurs with their pickup styles,they were just guys who went out into the field a lot,and through trial and error came up with methods that got THEMSELVES results.



Then they started teaching their friends,then as more and more guys found out about their methods,they decided to start making a living out of it,and why not?


Men trying to understand and have sex with women will NEVER get old or go out of style,so their product will ALWAYS be in demand.


They just need more men to hear about it.

These guys aren't players. They're all college educated in psychology and marketing. These guys are making over 30 MILLION Dollars a year.

And making 30 million dollars is bad?


Yeah,in the beginning they were probably more focused on helping men out because it was still just them and a few guys,but as thousands and thousands of guys flocked in to their seminars/bootcamps and their bank accounts suddenly shot through the roof,their focus probably shifted to maintaining that bottom line.


If I had 30 mil coming in a year,I'd use whatever psychological tactics I could to maintain that inflow too.


If psychology can be used to get sex,I don't see why it can't be used to earn a living.

They're not using the psychology on women, they're using it on YOU to make them money.

So what if they are?


In your "The TRUTH from a Player" thread,you said that if you were to see a hot girl walking in a mall by herself that most people here (on the forum) would probably walk up to her and approach her,but that YOU would "wait until she's in the vicinity of other guys because it makes you look good to approach a girl in front of an audience".


What,that's not psychology? You're using the other guys there to make yourself look good by COMPARASION.





In reply #4 of that same thread,you talked about 3 girls.


Girl 1: you followed to the fridge when she went to get a jello shot,and you kissed her on the neck.

Girl 2: you followed her out to her car and kissed her on her neck as well.


Girl 3 fount out that you kissed her two friends which drove her to your bed.
Then girl 2 fount out that you slept with girl 3,so then she slept with you.



Now that move was freakin' GENIUS man,I give you props on that,however that's not the point.




My point is what you said a little later on about those girls in the thread.


You said....and I QUOTE...."I led those girls on and used it to MY advantage to sleep with them both.



So that was ok,but if the so called "pickup gurus" use something as simple as giving their products a catchy name,you have a problem with that?




I'll give you credit on your "truth from a player" thread,but you lost me on this one.

 

[GreatHornedOwl]

The difference is, I'm not using the psychology against the guys I'm trying to help. I have an alliance and integrity with my knowledge.

In other words, I'm being honest.

I was actually PM'd (name will remain anonymous) by an affiliate marketer at Venusian Arts (Mystery's company) telling me he's seen my posts and thinks I would make a great addition to their team. That my "ideas would make money." That's why I made this thread.

Not only do they want to make money off you guys, they want to make money off me as well. Not going to happen.

If I decide to put a product out, there isn't going to be a conflict of interest. In other words, no politics.

 

[nismo-4]

There are a lot of desperate males in this world, and they're all looking for this "Magic Bullet" to get women. If one existed, we'd all be doing it right now and sites like this wouldn't exist. But since that ain't the case, a lot of people are using tactics from psychology and marketing to get your money and give you some random info.

Different stuff works for different people. I am a black male (Don't want this to be a racial discussion) in Metro Atlanta right now, so some things work for me and some don't. Some things apply across the board, like women love muscular, rich, and famous men.

Most of the sh*t in their books can be found for free here on this site or through uTorrent.

Case closed.

 

[confident afc]

LOL...did you just realize this???

 

[iliketennis]

there's no way they make $30 mil/year

 

[Lexington]

It's called marketing. Guess what, just about every business uses it.

 

[BigJimbo]

They don't make that much. Trust me. Publishing houses might make some, but their followers are poor and young. Almost all come from places in America that I have seen and hope never to go back to. Is it a scam? Of course, but so is any self-help crap that Americans flock to because of the B.S. that is called "The American Dream".

Hey, if I had a Sephardic Jewish name I would switch it to Italian as well. As it stands, if I lived full-time in America I would switch my name to a Jewish sounding one and pretend I was one of the chosen ones.

 

[AAAgent]

There's a difference between PUA and DJ's. I've realized this since i've seen both in action.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=177127

Most DJ's are humble when it comes to women. PUA aren't. They're normally the ones bragging, flaunting, and sometimes lying.

DJ's can have a few or all the skills of a PUA and still be known/seen as dj's but it doesn't work the other way around.

DJ skills are the foundation skills upon what truly make a well rounded man, while PUA skills are only add ons. DJ skills are standalone and can be versatile in any situation while a pua if they don't possess other skills are left lacking in every other department.

There are PUA out there that get girls. They go off of strictly experience and numbers and they do get alot of girls but the one thing they don't get is life. These guys are full grown men that still live at home and have no intentions of leaving.

 

[Alle_Gory]

I was actually PM'd (name will remain anonymous) by an affiliate marketer at Venusian Arts (Mystery's company) telling me he's seen my posts and thinks I would make a great addition to their team. That my "ideas would make money." That's why I made this thread.

Not only do they want to make money off you guys, they want to make money off me as well. Not going to happen.

I'll take your word that it's the truth. You've given up a chance at money for self respect. Now that's integrity.


Now, on another note. Business is good. Business is why we all have jobs and a means of directing our lives. But real businesses provide something tangible. A service with a guarantee, a physical product. You get something for your money and you know what you're getting.

With alot of these PUA products, they sell you a promise. If you spend money on their products, then you get a chance at the lifestyle you want. It's more like gambling. They pray on the desperate, and there are alot of desperate guys out there.

 

[1 Bad Dude]

(I used one of his tactics for my thread title)

Look at that thread title again. That acronym he used? Those three letters? What does the third letter stand for? Two different types of people are being lumped into one category. Real artists are not frauds. The "gurus" that are selling "PUA material" might be. BUT. You should always be skeptical of anyone trying to sell you something.

 

[J. Darko]

Look at that thread title again. That acronym he used? Those three letters? What does the third letter stand for? Two different types of people are being lumped into one category. Real artists are not frauds. The "gurus" that are selling "PUA material" might be. BUT. You should always be skeptical of anyone trying to sell you something.

There are no ''real artists'' on the internet, because those guys just use the internet for checking their mail and for their job that consist of some other thing than selling information on how to get laid to desperate naive guys. They don't even consider themselves artist because women are just a small part of their lives and they pick them up without any theories.

The most valuable things I learned from reading all the pick-up sites comes from occasional posts that are anti-pick up, containing life lessons that I wish I knew when I was born, like.

- knowing what you want and how to get it, than focus on that and go get it.
- respect yourself, demand respect from others, be assirtive
- time is valuable, use every minute productively, don't wait for people, give them limited time and tell them your busy.
- Rejected or no sign of interest? Next, next next. Just go out, a lot, approach women, a lot.
- Confidence, I am the price.

 

[Just a Shot Away]

30 million dollars a year? Where did you get that figure from? Your ass? That doesn't sound even remotely possible.

As far as being "phonies" go, are you saying that these guys really don't know how to pick up women? Your theory is that all the girls that they've picked up on the street in their TV shows and videos were actresses? Possibly. However, there's a certain level of confidence and way of carrying oneself that you cannot fake. My contention is that your wrong. As far as that 30 million dollar figure, you definitely need to provide some evidence if you're going to make such an outlandish claim.

 

[1 Bad Dude]

There are no ''real artists'' on the internet, because those guys just use the internet for checking their mail and for their job that consist of some other thing than selling information on how to get laid to desperate naive guys. They don't even consider themselves artist because women are just a small part of their lives and they pick them up without any theories.

Now you're confusing PUAs and DJs. PUAs are focused on getting laid. They lie, cheat, deceive and manipulate to get what they want. When they run out of tricks, they will turn anywhere to get new ones. I grew up with a guy that was like this. By the time we were 21 he had laid over a hundred girls. Went through three, four and five jobs a year from all the, pretty much, harassing he did. He still got laid though and it was priority one for him. What you're talking about is being a DJ. I lump the "Gurus" into the category of: Can't do? Teach. The fact that this site is NOT about PUA is the only reason I decided to join. This place emphasizes more than just getting laid.

The most valuable things I learned from reading all the pick-up sites comes from occasional posts that are anti-pick up, containing life lessons that I wish I knew when I was born, like.

Again. The reason I joined here. This site is about more than just pick-up. I've already found a lot of resources to help me get back in shape. Ironically, these life lessons you list, you were born with. They just got suppressed somewhere along the line.

- knowing what you want and how to get it, than focus on that and go get it.
Knowing what you want and going for it. The How is incidental, but you learn and refine it the more you try.

- respect yourself, demand respect from others, be assirtive
Respect for ALL. Yourself, others and the environment around you. They are all dangerous to you if you don't respect them. Hesitation is seen as weakness by more than just women. The less you hesitate, the more respect you'll demand, without having to demand it. Period.

- time is valuable, use every minute productively,...
I like to call it: Do. Or die. If your starving and you don't kill that antelope, you die. If you're horny and you don't approach that hottie, then you might as well just die.

... don't wait for people, give them limited time and tell them your busy.
- Rejected or no sign of interest? Next, next next. Just go out, a lot, approach women, a lot.
Take care of yourself. Find something fun and expressive to do with your life. Don't be afraid to meet new people. Get to know the attractive ones by making time for them. If they ain't interested then move on. Don't be afraid to take things as they come, but be skeptical of things that are too good to be true.

- Confidence, I am the price.
Ever watch a toddler explore his environment. The have no fear.

Just my take on things.

 

[BigJimbo]

Most PUA gurus are gay. Yes, I said it. They are actors. Most actors are homosexuals. If you young kids don't believe me just go take a visit to the Drama Club. Just go see who is majoring in Drama.

 

[confident afc]

I truly think Tyler Durden is a homo...always did.


However, David D...or Eban Pagen *chuckle* is so cool

 

[J. Darko]

Just my take on things.

Great addition, I like it, but I can't agree on this being a forum that teaches life lessons. This forum is infested with threads on how many days you should wait before you call a girl, or about masturbating being AFC beta and cheating on your girlfriend being alpha. It's nerdy, it's geeky, it's mental masturbation, it's not helpful and it's disgusting.

Sure, you could say that you need to learn to differentiate between low quality advice and high quality advice, but I have this to say:

A broken clock is right twice a day, but that still makes it a broken clock. It's trash.

If you have a cold, you can eat the feces of an elephant and get cured in two weeks...That doesn't make elephant feces a good medicine. I think the same about most of the threads around here.

 

[zekko]

If you have a cold, you can eat the feces of an elephant and get cured in two weeks...That doesn't make elephant feces a good medicine. I think the same about most of the threads around here.

I agree with you, but obviously there must be something of value here or we wouldn't keep coming back. There are a lot of things said on this forum that absolutely disgusts me. But considering people from all walks of life and viewpoints meet here that's not surprising. The main subject here, which IS about being better with women, casts a wide net.

This forum at its best embraces the "being a DJ means being a better man" philosophy. I find it helpful toward motivating me in that direction.

 

[J. Darko]

I agree with you, but obviously there must be something of value here or we wouldn't keep coming back. There are a lot of things said on this forum that absolutely disgusts me. But considering people from all walks of life and viewpoints meet here that's not surprising. The main subject here, which IS about being better with women, casts a wide net.

This forum at its best embraces the "being a DJ means being a better man" philosophy. I find it helpful toward motivating me in that direction.

I'm afraid we keep coming back because the posts here are feeding our ego's. We are looking for validation. We do that by reading posts that reflect our way of thinking and giving rep for these posts. We are basically masturbating in front of a mirror.

 

[D_Master]

Haven't posted here in a long time but had to add my 2 cents. what you said in the OP is exactly what I learned a long time ago. Unfortunately it was after I had spent several hundred dollars trying to learn the "tricks" to pick up women. The funny part is I'm getting married in a month and the woman I am marrying I never used "tricks" on. when I was using "tricks" and trying to have a persona i rarely got "relationships", just dates. And to some of you that's probly all you're looking for, at least what you'll admit to.

Look at all these pages that hock their product. They have gorgous women barely clothed, and highlight these phrases like "get laid" and so many others that I can't even think of to attract your eyes and overlook everything else that is on the page. You see the girl, you see "get laid" and before you know it you're shelling out $50 or more b/c you want to win the beautiful girl. It genious b/c it triggers your male hormones and you stop thinking logically.

Also, Mystery charges $3000 for a weekend, I'm sorry, but to me spending that much money to learn how to pick up girls in a bar (at least that what his show seemed to be about) is not worth it. Heck I remember someone posting an undercover video of Mystery in action and he was breaking many of his own "rules" that he himself preaches against. It's a business plain and simple, if you think it's not, get real. Is there something wrong w/ it? No not really, just understand they are selling a product, not someone that cares about your dating life.