PUA Scam: Interesting Read (long)

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The PUA Scam:
In this post I'm going to summarize the major problems with the PUA (Pick Up Artist) industry and how it scams men out of their money. The false teachings and predatory practices of the industry will be exposed here in full.

Contradictory Messages

The seduction community has two major flaws: The first flaw is that it teaches you the very contradictory message that you have to learn to be masculine and be your own man while catering to women and their actions. So no matter what she does, it's up to you to calibrate it for best effect. If she wants ****y and funny you better be ****y and funny. If she wants an ******* you better be that too. If she wants entertainment and you aren't entertaining then she will move on to the next guy who is.

Ironically, PUAs say that they take women off their pedestal, which in a manner of speaking is true. But in reality all they do is take women off one pedestal (created by mainstream society) and put them on to another one.

This is the pedestal created by mainstream society:

• Women are delicate flowers.
• To get women you have to give them compliments, buy them dinner, be a nice guy, and tell them how much you want to be with them.
• You have to pursue women and win them over.
• You have to impress women with lots of money, nice car, etc.

This is the pedestal created by PUAs:

• You have to game women, figure out what they really want, and then give it to them. Yes, it's a lot of work but who cares, since that's the man's job. And besides, women are not supposed to pursue, since men are the ones with the "balls".
• Women evolved powerful screening mechanisms to discern worthy guys from unworthy, and women are very good at filtering out men that don't measure up.
• Women **** test men and you have to learn to pass their tests or you're out.
• Nice guy behaviour is a turn off, so you need to learn to be alpha using ****y/funny, various seduction methods, dominant body language, etc.
• There are numerous attraction switches that women need to have switched on before they will want to be with you.
• You always have to be on the alert because women are always testing you to see what kind of man you are.
• Only a select few men can become very good with women (most men are betas, or AFC). Getting attractive women is an elite achievement.
• Women naturally throw obstacles in the way of sex. It is the man's job to figure out how to overcome them.
• Women will always cheat with the most alpha guy. Unless you are alpha women won't respect you. In other words, a woman is only justified in respecting you if she is attracted to you.
• Be wary of giving women compliments, buying dinner, or being "nice" because she can interpret that as weakness on your part.

The second flaw is that the seduction community never or rarely addresses those things that women are doing wrong. It's like a child who throws a tantrum and instead of disciplining him or her you take the position that you have to find out what it is they want and give it to them. There's this intense fear that if you call out women on their misbehaviour you are a chump or weak or unable to take it like a man. So rather than do that many guys prefer to just take the "spoil the child" approach to getting laid. Game is basically a coping strategy for women's rotten behaviour. If a woman has attitude and is unresponsive god forbid you tell her to open up. It's your job to figure out what buttons to push.

The fact is that PUA gurus almost never talk about the dysfunctional dating culture (in North America and some other westernized countries). To do that would admit a weakness that can't be marketed in the form of a product. In other words, you can't make money off that.

Let's look at Mystery for instance. He's always teaching coping techniques on how to deal with any and all adverse dating situations. His classic line: "Men must learn to attract women or their genes will be mercilessly weeded out of existence". Great line BTW, plays on fear. And once the fear is primed a solution is offered. Very cult like. The only problem with this classic line is that it's relatively easy to eventually propagate your genes with someone, even in a dysfunctional dating culture, as long as you go out enough and talk to enough women. Furthermore, the whole notion of "HB10" and "beautiful woman" is biased because in Mystery's and his followers view, only dolled up 18-25 year olds are classified as beautiful or "perfect 10s", and since the PUA techniques play on these women's insecurities (very common for girls in this age range) they are lauded as superior; i.e. they get the "best women". And if the techniques don't work, and they won't on older more intelligent women, it is said that these women are not the best anyway. Yada yada and you can say that the techniques are engineered to get the highest quality women and they won't work on the lower value women (anyone over 25). It's PUA sleight of hand basically. The thing is, with evolutionary psychology arguments you can prove just about anything. Lots of makeup is called superior beauty and immaturity is called exceptional femininity. Therefore, the (dysfunctional) techniques work on the "most beautiful, most feminine women".

Currently, the PUA community sees women as superior beings, and men as generally deficient (since we're the ones who have to be taught what to do). This is very much in line with feminist propaganda.

The PUA community loves to say how inept the vast majority of men are when it comes to women. They say things like, 95% of men are totally clueless when it comes to women, which is a very suspicious number considering that meeting people is an intrinsic part of people's social psychology — in other words, we are wired to want to socialize and be around people. So it's simplistic to say that so many guys are completely clueless when it comes to meeting women. It legitimizes the very real difficulty men are up against in western culture, and introduces artificial solutions to solve it. The PUA is an artificial solution to a problem that runs much deeper than just a basic lack of "seduction skills" as the gurus claim.

Here's some double standards that are common in the PUA community:

It's okay for women to be unapproachable (because that makes them selective), but if men are unapproachable (or don't approach) they are labeled as shy or socially inept. If a woman has a wall around her then it's your job as a man to "break through". You miss 100% of the shots you don't take, after all. Great line, except that it takes two to tango, and if the woman isn't doing her part it's like dragging around a corpse.

PUAs are perfectly okay with men taking responsibility for women's shortcomings, but the reverse is completely unheard of.

Women in western (feminized) culture are elevated to a level that is totally undeserved, and in part this is because their shortcomings are too often spun as a sign of strength. It's a serious form of deception, one which the PUA community takes to a whole new level with their pseudo-scientific evolutionary psychology psychobabble which SO MANY men fall for. Let's look at some of these false arguments.

It is often said that women are more socially savvy and much better than men at reading social situations. But the reason it might appear this way is because in this culture women (as a whole) take virtually no risks and always play on the safe side. They are so hell-bent on getting society's approval that they go to all these extra lengths to make sure that they don't do anything "wrong". So as a result, we never or rarely see women make a fool of themselves. Of course not; they don't do anything! Men do all the work, take all the risks, get rejected, and then (many of us) go back to the drawing board to "up our game". And the PUA is merely an extreme case of this.

Men in the seduction community frame women's whimsical, immature, standoffish, selfish, weak, and stupid behavior as indicators of higher awareness, virtue, and social intelligence. For example,

• A woman can't initiate and lacks conversational depth — The PUA interpretation: She is testing your ability to "plow through" and lead.

• A woman is prejudiced and rejects you based on some stereotype she is carrying in her mind — The PUA interpretation: She is picking up on some vibe that you are inadequate or weak. Women are masters at picking up on subtle cues, after all. In other words, you need to up your game.

• A woman can't take responsibility for her actions and flakes on you — The PUA interpretation: You didn't do enough to attract her.

• A woman is with friends who regularly ****block — The PUA interpretation: You have to win the friends over (never mind what she thinks). So learn group theory.

• A woman loses interest soon after talking to you — The PUA interpretation: You didn't stimulate her enough.

• A woman resists you — The PUA interpretation: She is testing you to see if you are man enough and skillful enough to break through her defenses.

• A woman acts unpredictable, whimsical, and immature — The PUA interpretation: Women are more "complicated" than men and there are numerous attraction switches you must turn on in order for them to want to be with you.

• A woman needs her friends' approval — The PUA interpretation: You must get her friends' approval.

Looking at these it's pretty obvious what's going on. Women's rotten behaviour is justified using some form of twisted evolutionary psychology argument, or deftly reframing the situation to always put the burden on the guy to get things done.
 

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Now imagine if a child did some of these things. What would the interpretation be?

• A child can't initiate and lacks conversational depth — Society's interpretation: He/she isn't mature enough.

• A child is prejudiced and rejects you based on some stereotype he/she is carrying in his/her mind — Society's interpretation: The child must be taught not to judge people based on appearances, and learn not to stereotype.

• A child can't take responsibility for his/her actions and flakes on you — Society's interpretation: The child must be held accountable in order to learn to be responsible and respectful of others.

• A child loses interest soon after talking to you — Society's interpretation: He/she has a short attention span (not a good thing).

• A child acts unpredictable, whimsical, and immature — Society's interpretation: This behaviour is wrong and the child needs to learn to be more disciplined in life and be more respectful of other people's time.

• A child needs his/her friends' approval — Society's interpretation: He or she has low self-esteem and hasn't matured enough to think for him or herself.

It seems that less is expected from women than from children. That alone speaks volumes.
 

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You have it right! Fine read, the truth comes out. I'm sick of everyone blaming men for womens ****ty behavior!
 

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I like comparing women to children, it's so spot on. Women are like children in a lot of ways, sure women mature physically in some ways but emotionally, and from a relationship/social etc standpoint they are worse than children.
 

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great post. I think we are all sick of the bullsh1t we put up with from women at this point haha.. It's so true, we just move it to a different location and butcher our own true persona in the midst of it.

In all honesty, I am a very confident man. While this site has helped me out a lot with attraction, I have yet to build a meaningful relationship with the information I have learned on here. I just date them and bang them for a few weeks or a month, then it's "see ya later".
 
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This is a terrible oversimplification. I'll use the standard comeback a woman who meets ALL of your stereotypes told me she uses:

I could make you like me if I wanted to.

The woman you call a BETCH may be one, or she may be treating YOU like one. Why? Well, if she has no interest in you, and you INSIST on talking to her, YOU are the one IMPOSING himself on her. Tell me, how many of these "BETCHY" women initiate conflict, versus REACTING to an INTRUSION from a guy who cannot believe that because she's hot, and he's IN THE ROOM, that he is somehow ENTITLED to her attention.

When you say "women" are messed up, you mean HOT WOMEN, who can get away with this behavior, and who NEED this behavior, mostly to avoid leading men on, which some men use to justify to do anything from insult to stalk them. Imagine their lives for a second: they cannot hide their bodies, and are TARGETED almost every waking minute, often by guys out of the blue, even by guys they THOUGHT were "just friends."

What the PUA does is take responsibility for attracting the woman. If she rejects him, he ACCEPTS her verdict, while figuring out how he could have changed the outcome. This does not mean absolving women for everything they do "wrong," but just changing that which he can change, since men who pursue these "awful" women because of how they look are giving transactionable consent to be treated like crap aftrer the first time.

The behaviors you cite are specific to people who are IN DEMAND, and OVERLOADED with attention from the opposite sex. The author seems to want it both ways: to beat the system by getting the hot chick, and to do so without resistance on her part, even when supply and demand more than justifies her every last "crappy" behavior.

The "nice guy" often makes the mistake of trying to CHANGE women, something that PUAs generally do not do. Take the example of the coke addicted female: will you get laid by her more easily with an anti-drug lecture, or an eight-ball?

If you trustly don't like betchy women, don't hit on them! Find that NICE girl, but don't be surprised, if she's hot and nice, when a much stronger BETA than yourself swoops in to get her.

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BettorOffSingle said:
Take the example of the coke addicted female: will you get laid by her more easily with an anti-drug lecture, or an eight-ball?
True. I have one now who's an addict, and I'm indifferent to her addiction rather than trying to "save" her. She doesn't even think that I don't approve cause I don't even give her any hints really that I don't. You mustn't be a stumbling block to women to the pleasures they seek. You become apart of her pleasure-seeking. You get her pvssy.
 
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