PUA featured on PrimeTime (Mystery and Style)

[DJDamage]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_EuOeeRADs&search=picking up

I feel bad for the clueless guy featured on the show, paying thousands of dollars for seminars only to be rejected left and right using canned lines and end up with what seems like an older woman (not really attractive) whom he could have easily picked up without using those routines.

P.S - notice prime time refers to Mystery Seminar as teaching men to become "Don Juan?"

 

[upsidedownside7]

These pickup methods can't be held accountable if your personality cannot shine through and that guy's personality was hidden behind his fear. You can hate on Mystery and Strauss but those dudes get results.

 

[organizedconfusion]

mystery and styles have been doing this for a decade of their lives..commit yourself to anything for that long and you are bound to get results. i heard that styles actually read up on sedcution material for a few years before even going into the field (?) and mystery has been doing this since he was in his early 20's. sorry guys, it takes time and effort just like anything else..unfortunantly rejection hurts and the aniexty of the first approach can be terrifying..that's why most guys give up...the guy in the video has balls to do what he did on national tv ,even if he looked like dildo to the viewers he'll get more results then most...

 

[DJDamage]

These pickup methods can't be held accountable if your personality cannot shine through and that guy's personality was hidden behind his fear.

That is exactly what the problem is. They teach guys to do canned lines instead of working on their personality or becoming an interesting person. If you are an interesting person, if you have a life and hobbies you are passionate about, then you have something to talk about and be proud of yourself instead of coming up to some chick and ask her if she should use dental floss before or after brushing .

 

[SeldomSeen]

Primetime huh, there goes alot of canned routines, guys are going to have to come up with new material. LOL!!!

 

[organizedconfusion]

That is exactly what the problem is. They teach guys to do canned lines instead of working on their personality or becoming an interesting person. If you are an interesting person, if you have a life and hobbies you are passionate about, then you have something to talk about and be proud of yourself instead of coming up to some chick and ask her if she should use dental floss before or after brushing .

you guys are forgetting the purpose of canned lines..they are meant to get your foot into the door and something to practice and warm up with until you get your own material-NOT an answer to all...much like doing lay ups for basket ball or only running at 80% when jogging while increasing your endurance gradually for a long distance run.They are just crutches to begin with -crawl,walk..run... soo...do you guys use dental floss before or after brushing ..just curious

 

[SamePendo]

Primetime huh, there goes alot of canned routines, guys are going to have to come up with new material. LOL!!!

:crackup: ****ers.

Yes they are meant to put your foot on the door, but after that, comes more canned material. Geeks.

Btw, I have never thought about myself being part of the "underground seduction community". Have any of you? BUT, I have thought of myself as being part of the "sosuave underground site".

 

[organizedconfusion]

the first rule of the 'underground seduction community' is to not talk about the 'underground seduction community'..is this a test? sir?... so two girls walk into a bar and then..oh , you already heard that one...well, then..how does everyone know eachother?

 

[JPFromTally]

Canned lines never work. I'm succesful just striking up a casual conversation and taking it from there.

Today I was at the Circle K getting a drink and there was a hot girl looking up and down the snacks aisle. I said "You remind me of myself not knowing what to have for an afternoon snack. Here, you look like a pork rinds kind of girl." (Handing her a bag of that nasty stuff).

She laughed and said "I do not! I just have to get something because I have four hours to kill."

I said "Oh... why do you have to wait so long?"

We talked for almost 10 minutes inside the circle k. Told her that I had to go and got her number.

Why is that so hard?

 

[everywomanshero]

Good conversation skills are a must. The material is sort of a guide to help you prevent lulls and make sure you're getting in your DHV spikes. Every PUA in the world suggests creating your own material, and every bootcamp known to me instructs guys on how to do this. Using material that fits your identity which is canned and rehearsed works very well. The sotry has been perfected after a couple of dozen runs. It's sort of like being a comedian, only not so cut and dry as the audience has more power to change the format.

Where this idea that all PU is about is spitting out canned lines comes from amazes me. There is guys who only go out once a week who do this for sure, but they aren't really part of the PU community any more than baseball fans are in the Major Leagues. After yo start going out 3+x a week, you start to get socially aware and know what to do by instrinct. State management, on the fly bantor, and knowing when to use which piece are all things a person cannot learn from a book or by words.

It doesn't matter if you're reading the Holy Bible or the DJ Bible, if you go out enough and approach enough you will close. If you close enough, you will eventually see the light. What the seduction community has done is prepackaged years and years of experience and lessons learned for the interested person. However, you can't ever understand any of it unless you have adequete experience to relate it to *your* real life. It requires thousands of approaches, at least 50 lays, and willingness to accept new ideas to start to get a grip on this stuff. At 30 or 40 lays, I still didn't get it. At 100 lays, I am going to look back and laugh at my understanding of women today.

 

[organizedconfusion]

you have to understand though, sadly enough- it's really hard for some guys just to 'talk' to girls..god bless 'em, but i totally aggree..guys MUST get into the field in order to progress,with or without canned lines...

 

[ricorico]

The guy on Primetime needs voice lessons cause he sounded so queer once he opened his mouth.Huge turn-off for most women who preffer a guy to sound MASCULINE!!
I always wonder how successful some of these guru's would be if they were not living in the middle of Hollywood with cool careers and making a Sh*tload of money. Strauss's way of dressing and his grooming lets a woman know right away he's got bucks. Mystery probably attracts weird chicks who are into weird guys.

Strauss's girlfriend aint all that hot. With the crowd of shallow chicks he hangs around, he does'nt need game to pick that up. All he needs is money and the fame he has as a writer and working for Rollings Stones mag.

You've got to have something attractive about yourself besides game to become a PUA. mainly MONEY in thoeir case.

Hell, what a gig!!!!!!

 

[upsidedownside7]

"Strauss's girlfriend aint all that hot. With the crowd of shallow chicks he hangs around, he does'nt need game to pick that up. All he needs is money and the fame he has as a writer and working for Rollings Stones mag."

You don't need game to pick up a famous musician? She's not that hot? That's just hate.

1. She's hotter than most chicks any of us have ever had.
2. He was a writer for years and got no tail. Just dressing up and and having money isn't enough to get chicks. Go out to the clubs, you'll see many many good looking well dressed men with money pull nothing even close to Style's girlfriend. If you go in with minimal skills you are just like EVERY SINGLE OTHER GUY!

I'm no fanboy of Mystery & Strauss but those guys do pull and have a linear, coherent and logical system to do it. To downplay their success is exactly like saying Kobe Bryant is not a top 3 player in the NBA.

 

[everywomanshero]

Mystery has figured out the system. You learn by being out in the field. You learn how to be cool, how to approach, what to say, how to conversate, and all of these things by placing yourself in the field frequently. You can learn at an accelerated pace today because the collective body of knowledge is so large, but you really have to get out there. You cannot determine much in your head. It must be tested so that you will learn and grow and manage your state effectively.

It isn't a DJ vs PUA, Direct vs Indirect, or anyt of that nonsense. It's about having options. It's about having confidence and social skills. It's about feeling really free. It's about making decisions without having to consider women, because you already have enough women in your life (or at least some options). Just getting married or finding one girl and crawling into retirement won't fix a lifetime filled with inner game problems. ultimately, learning PU is more important for what it does to yourself. You have to reach that inner peace before you can even know what you really want in a LTR. Most guys are in LTRs to hide from the singles scene. This is not the path to a hapy lifestyle.

As far a NS goes, There has to be winners and losers in life. Obviously, the fact that things keep going his way is more than a coincidence. He makes it happen.

 

[SeldomSeen]

Re:

"1. She's hotter than most chicks any of us have ever had."


ummm speak for yourself man. I mean I think she's hot but Ive pulled a few hotter women in my lifetime.


On another note I hear VH1 wants to do reality based shows with Mystery. I told you this thing would blow up on a national level.

 

[resilient]

"On another note I hear VH1 wants to do reality based shows with Mystery. I told you this thing would blow up on a national level.

Haha, oh great. It's going to be like the real world show on mtv where six WBAFCs gather together to learn pick up in a lair. I can imagine all scrawny geeks get on bodybuilding program and go out sarging every night under Mystery's newbie mission over the course of 16 weeks. Just like Hollywood mansion in The Game, but some other metro city. Peacocking all the while to strange outfits to garner attention from HBs.

Mystery "Alright guys, you know about your S&R value right? Well tonight I don't want to see you DLV on any sub-standard HB. I want you to approach a few sets, disarm the obstacle, pull a false-time restraint and then neg the target after you've earned 3 consecutive IOIs... You've got 1 hour to approach 6 sets. Remember your friend KINO!"
:crackup:

 

[DJDamage]

On another note I hear VH1 wants to do reality based shows with Mystery. I told you this thing would blow up on a national level.

Reality show's seldom have anything to do with reality. Everything will be edited. I wouldn't be surprised if they will throw in a few decoy's for some of the guys on the show in order to farther sell the mystery method. They will show a guy who looks like Moby/Jason Alexander picking up a girl looking like Jessica Alba and will never know if its real or not.

Women will be even more on guard after viewing that show.

 

[Dimebag_Darrell]

who gives a sh*t. It ain't gonna deter the fact that girls want a nut busted in their face. like some dude said earlier. With time you will get results and I believe that!

 

[wunnaBsmooth]

I hope not!

I SURE AS H&LL HOPE THERE ISN'T A REALITY SHOW BASED ON MYSTERY. :cuss:
Just give the HB's yet one MORE reason to test us even harder? :moon:
Sh1t!!!!!!!!!

My Dad was right about MTV and VH1....... "There ain't nothing good on those channels....."..:crackup:

 

[Socialreject]

TBh, i think what Mystery and Style are offering is a 'product'. And it answers to the same demands of the same consumer market as any other product. Needs to produce results, needs to be easy to follow and use, needs to have the right price ticket.

For this kind of stuff the price ticket can be fairly steep because let's face it, lots of guys are soooo fvcking desperate that they will stick their ****s in to just about anything and if someone offers them something better than just 'anything' they are willing to pay out the ass for it.

Mystery and Style's stuff is easy to use BECAUSE it's all canned and routine. Heck a MONKEY can be tought these routines, it's just all learnign from the top of your head, there is no feeling, no awereness involved. It is, in every sense of the word 'a game'. You do this and that, go to the next level, do this and that, go to the next level, screw up this, ouch, game over.

And they DO produce results, if they didn't this stuff would be labeled as a hoax and a scam faster than you can say 123. The only problem is that perhaps the results aren't really all that great compared to what you can get with free stuff provided you put some actual EFFORT into it.