Proving youself to people

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...I personally do not think a real man would grovel at someone else’s feet to prove their identity to him. ...

I think this is an important lesson in life though, a real man should never feel the need to prove himself to anybody. This is what seduction books teach us to do they teach us that we need to prove ourselves worthy of a women’s time. Seduction books tell us to use C+F and to use canned lines and 101 other useless techniques; this is all self destructive behavior and it is not the behavior of a man. People here pretend to be somebody they are not to prove to girls that they are worthy.

A true man does not’t need to prove himself to anybody, he knows who he is and he is comfortable with it. He does not’t pretend to be someone his not, he doesn’t try to win a girls approval a real man is pursued by women because they are naturally attracted to him, not because he uses seduction techniques...
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I agree with these sections of your post. As long as you are comfortable being "you" the opinions of others seldom matter outside of being a barometer on whether you are the person you are trying to emote to the world.

This is all about being authentic, congruent in your personality and your actions. This is where I believe that self help/pickup books are a good thing if used properly. Unfortunately, these guides (and this forum) is mostly misused by guys. They want "tried and true instructions" on specifically what to say and what to do, something that they could copy as apposed to something they can learn from.

In the book "The Game" Strauss coined a name for these copycats which alludes me at the moment. But in a nutshell he inadvertently spawned a society of Style "Minnie-Me's" that spat the exact same game to every women they tried to game. There was a glut on the pickup lines, routines and actions used for sarging and it made things less than effective.

So I say learn from anything and everything that you can, books, this forum, other DJ's and PUA's. The key to your personal success is PERSONALIZING what you learn so that the things that you do are your style, not someone else's. It's a guy's uniqueness that sets him aside from his competition.
 
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Francisco d'Anconia said:
I agree with these sections of your post. As long as you are comfortable being "you" the opinions of others seldom matter outside of being a barometer on whether you are the person you are trying to emote to the world.

This is all about being authentic, congruent in your personality and your actions. This is where I believe that self help/pickup books are a good thing if used properly. Unfortunately, these guides (and this forum) is mostly misused by guys. They want "tried and true instructions" on specifically what to say and what to do, something that they could copy as apposed to something they can learn from.

In the book "The Game" Strauss coined a name for these copycats which alludes me at the moment. But in a nutshell he inadvertently spawned a society of Style "Minnie-Me's" that spat the exact same game to every women they tried to game. There was a glut on the pickup lines, routines and actions used for sarging and it made things less than effective.

So I say learn from anything and everything that you can, books, this forum, other DJ's and PUA's. The key to your personal success is PERSONALIZING what you learn so that the things that you do are your style, not someone else's. It's a guy's uniqueness that sets him aside from his competition.
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I agree with you man I have been a bit too critical on seduction gurus in the past whilst I believe most of them have huge flaws in their personalities and one should never aspire to be like them they do give out good advice.
 
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I agree with you man I have been a bit too critical on seduction gurus in the past whilst I believe most of them have huge flaws in their personalities and one should never aspire to be like them they do give out good advice.
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I agree that many of the more well known gurus seem to have an ulterior motive to their purpose other than sarging women. Ross with his Napoleonic complex, Mystery with his extreme need for acceptance, Tyler with his need to constantly prove himself as Alpha, the list goes on and on.

If a guy can see and realize those things and filter through the insightful information, he can gain a ton of good knowledge. That's why I still say that Davids original DYD and Doc Love's "System" is the best foundation material out there for attracting women and sustaining relationships respectively. Those guys seem to be the most stable of the bunch.

Don't get me wrong, I respect's Mystery's insight and ability to read and understand people's motivation, it's just that it seems as if his personal life is a bit tumultuous at times to a detriment of his capabilities.
 
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there is a huge difference about reading about shooting a basketball and actually shooting a basketball

The point = read what you want, make your own opinion of it, apply it to real life and see if it is true or not for you, but do not discredit the author or the source, because you cannot truly now whether what they wrote is true or not for them.

Perspective is a beautiful thing, use it.
 
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OKOK, fine well I don't care who is telling the truth, but Angelus, you must agree that nevermind any of this "proving yourself" stuff, you're going to have to do it in life... a lot. I don't see how proving things to others is considered non-manly, I love to prove points/whatever to people, plus, just think about it... if you're proving something to someone else, you're automatically coming from a position higher than theirs (in some way) in that you're telling them about something that they didn't know before. That's my perspective on it at least, agree with me or not :p
 
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OKOK, fine well I don't care who is telling the truth, but Angelus, you must agree that nevermind any of this "proving yourself" stuff, you're going to have to do it in life... a lot. I don't see how proving things to others is considered non-manly, I love to prove points/whatever to people, plus, just think about it... if you're proving something to someone else, you're automatically coming from a position higher than theirs (in some way) in that you're telling them about something that they didn't know before. That's my perspective on it at least, agree with me or not :p
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There's a difference between proving yourself and trying to "prove yourself".

Proving yourself to others through your actions and your demeanor is an indirect way of displaying value. How you walk, talk and carry yourself will prove to them that you are a person of integrity.

Most people get caught in the trap of trying to "prove themselves" to others in direct ways and this shows a lack of personal conviction and is just weak, imo.

Lets not get these confused.
 
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Very true, I hope nobody took my post meaning the latter, thanks Canadian!
 
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I heard Angelus was asked for a pic of himself in a thong. He is now filing the first discussion board based sexual harassment suit. Krassus's lawyers claim he is has been framed.
 
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Does it matter if he has more than 1 account?
Does it matter if he is not really rich?
Does it matter if he is a keyboard jockey?
Does it matter if he proves himself or not?

My point is, if he gives good financial advice, dating advice, advice on how to make yourself a better man, if he gives you confidence, if he makes you wanna change even one tiny part of yourself for the better, how much does it really matter who he is or what he does?

Good advice is good advice, no matter who it's coming from. If someone gives advice that helps others in a certain aspect in their lives, I do not care if he is a 300 lb. slob who never leaves the house. I do not like the guys who read all these books and give the same rehashed advice that doesnt really help anyone.

Rich or Poor
Liar or Honest
Good Looking or Ugly

Good advice is good advice.

This is just my opinion and I only speak for myself here.

*Edit* This is my 300th post and yes even though its 300 posts I still do have a life.
 
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The Bad Ass Canadian said:
There's a difference between proving yourself and trying to "prove yourself".

Proving yourself to others through your actions and your demeanor is an indirect way of displaying value. How you walk, talk and carry yourself will prove to them that you are a person of integrity.

Most people get caught in the trap of trying to "prove themselves" to others in direct ways and this shows a lack of personal conviction and is just weak, imo.

Lets not get these confused.
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Very well said! :up:
 
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