proteins and creatine

[RaWBLooD]

Re: Re: Re: Answers....

Originally posted by KillaPetehog
I said this shyt because I've already taken creatine for 2 years...and I can honestly say it really isn't that effective...It's not worth the risks involved...and to tell you the truth...I really believe a lot of it is psychological..

If you think some powder is gonna get you all buff...go ahead and believe that. I don't need that shyt whenever I work out..I'd rather stick with the natural sources of protein (steak, eggs, chicken, milk, tuna) that are available to me..

creatine isnt a source of protein, damn, and its already in your daily food sources and your body makes small amounst of it, taking it as a supplement simply fills your creatine stores, its not very complicated.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Re: Re: Re: Answers....

Originally posted by KillaPetehog
Wow. Enough with the flaming and listen.. Your body DOES GET IMMUNE to excessive amounts of creatine. If you take creatine on a regular basis...your body will become immune to it....You NEED TO CYCLE YOUR INTAKE OF CREATINE..Every bodybuilder knows that in order to use creatine effectively you have to "cycle" it...or in other words...get off it for a while...otherwise you will be immune to it.

And if you don't know what "cycling" is, feel free to notify me and I will explain it to you.

thats actually what the ads tell you, so that kids will take 4x the amount (20 g) for a week then take it for the rest of 2 months at 5 grams, and then take a short break, like they'd go with a full month when this stuff gives them extra energy ,
theres no need to "cycle" creatine.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Re: Re: Re: Answers....

Originally posted by KillaPetehog
I think you completely misunderstood what I was trying to say. Again, stop with the flaming. Jay X asked me whether creatine should be taken before or after a workout. I told him in order to become effective with the use of creatine, he should take it before his exercise....as creatine enables a person to exercise more effectively without getting tired.

Thus, it would be a waste if you took the creatine AFTER the workout.

If you thought I said, "if you stop taking creatine for one day, you wasted it"...that's not what I meant.

Sorry buddy, but that's not at all what I meant. Now if AGAIN you disagree that creatine should NOT be taken BEFORE a workout...please notify me and I will provide you with links to strengthen my argument.

what you said was that "[it] will be wasted it if you don't workout the same day.", wich leads me to believe you:
a: didnt know what you were saying.
b: cant understand what you did say
c: are trying to say something but only saying parts of it thinking everyone has the same ideas as you and can fill in the blanks.


the whole reason "loading" has been pushed and some intelligent people actually believe it is because the creatine stores increase when you take it, and missing a dose or taking an extra dose once your muscles are saturated wont make much of a difference. Thats the same reason taking it before or after a workout, when u wake up, when u go to sleep or any other time of the day, has no consequence to the benefits of creatine.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Originally posted by Jay-X
and anyway, lean mass IS NOT egual to "bodyweight - bodyfat"...

yes it is, lean mass is your whole mass minus the bodyfat, that means muscle water bones organs everything but fat tissue.

Maybe you mean muscle mass? that in itself is hard to get accurate measurement of.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Re: oh my god..

Originally posted by KillaPetehog
Excess protein DOES turn into fat.

I've even shown you 2 links to prove it..
do you want more?

http://1stholistic.com/Nutrition/hol_nutr_does-excess-protein-turn-to-fat.htm
http://www.bodybuilding-supplement-guide.com/protein-wont-make-you-fat.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/casi5.htm

The excess protein or muscle your body accumulated dissolves and the concomitant decrease in your metabolic rate causes an increase in body fat.

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In actuality, excess protein impairs muscle growth. Excess protein will be stored as fat, and excess protein causes increased urea production. Protein is the cornerstone of a “Zone” based diet. The volume of low-fat protein you are going to eat determines the volume of carbohydrates you can consume at the same time. Your target protein consumption should be 30% of your calories.


http://www.barnett-fitness.com/nutrition concepts.htm

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Protein in excess of this is more likely to be stored as fat, and if athletes are overemphasizing protein, chances are pretty good that they're shortchanging on carbs

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=617012

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Protein won't make you fat: Myth #1

http://www.ironmagazine.com/printout158.html

http://www.gssiweb.com/reflib/refs/607/highprotein.cfm?pid=38&CFID=407886&CFTOKEN=81669353

i am going to give u the quote of my post since you seem to be incapable of getting to the first page

Originally posted by RaWBLooD
protein doesn't turn into fat.
(excess calories are sent to fat stores, when the glycogen stores are full.)
when there is no need for the protein, it is first dismantled and turned into ammonia + carbohydrates if energy is needed it will thus be used, before it is stored as fat.

protein does not turn into fat , excess energy is, and all your posts saying "but it does turn into fat" are simply proving me right.
i'm not even sure you are disagreeing with me after seeing your links.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Re: yawn

Originally posted by KillaPetehog
The immaturity of this Rawblood poster is astounding. He averages roughly 26 posts per day. I'm a certified weight trainer and nutritionist. I guess you're right, Rawblood. I really don't know what I'm talking about and really should listen to this 18 year old kid in high school.

You can go ahead and believe in your notions and affectations...but I have already provided the public with evidence from various websites that have disproved each and every one of your ideas. Somebody ban this guy.

and for the last time....excess protein turns into fat.

read my post kid, you seem to not see what im saying at all, because all your links are agreeing with me.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Answers....

Originally posted by KillaPetehog
Your whole argument here just proved I was right...

Yes, Rawblood, there is something called "loading" and there is something called "cycling"...and that precisely the advice that I offered Jay X.

i was not agreeing with taking 20 g a day, if you read my post carefully, and what you were saying was that creatine MUST be taken before a workout and taking it when you do not workout it is wasted, the quote you just posted showed how it doesnt matter if you dont take it before a workout, doesnt matter when you take it, please read my quotes when you respond to them.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Answers....

Originally posted by KillaPetehog
Did I ever say creatine was a source of protein? Throughout this whole forum, there's no mention of it.

Seriously, somebody ban this guy.

I'd rather stick with the natural sources of protein (steak, eggs, chicken, milk, tuna) that are available to me

that implies creatine to be a non-natural source of protein, sorry hog, people do not get banned for disagreeing with you in an discussion.

 

[MindOverMatter]

lol Killa, stop arguing with the postcount kid. he's just rewording sh!t he read on the net to boost up his post count. typical internet coach, you'll never see this guy post progress photos of himself, because he doesn't have any experiance or gains to be proud of.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Re: Re: Re: yawn

Originally posted by KillaPetehog
How?

How?

Was I wrong in telling Jay-X to watch out for excess protein? Excess protein does turn into fat..

Again...how are you right?

Every single link (9 links) proves that excess protein turns into fat..

im right because i never said excess calories do not turn into fat, my whole point is based on the fact that if you will eat 500 grams of protein in a day and nothing else (albeit thats stupid but besides the point) and your calorie requirement is 2500, you will lose weight and you will not gain fat,
read my original post stating that protein does not turn into calories, i even quoted it for you but you seem to read the first setence and assume what the rest means without reading it.

 

[RaWBLooD]

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Originally posted by KillaPetehog
The guy was talking about protein bars...

protein bars aren't natural..

steak, eggs, chicken, milk and tuna are natural sources of protein..

stop flaming.

You have to learn to make your ideas more rounded, we arent in your head and deciphering your posts like the bible, make them more accurate, and learn to read more accurately.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Originally posted by MindOverMatter
lol Killa, stop arguing with the postcount kid. he's just rewording sh!t he read on the net to boost up his post count. typical internet coach, you'll never see this guy post progress photos of himself, because he doesn't have any experiance or gains to be proud of.

i wont post photos because i do not want them taken, id love to show anyone my progress through msn or yahoo, i have no problem with that, but can we stay on topic?

 

[RaWBLooD]

Re: ha ha..seriously

Originally posted by KillaPetehog


the guy's got a lot of time on his hands.

one of my great advantages.

 

[DJ-TrickY]

where can i buy creatine monohydrathe?

 

[Warboss Alex]

At 15, creatine monohydrate should be the least of your concerns.

 

[Adone]

Originally posted by Warboss Alex
At 15, creatine monohydrate should be the least of your concerns.

I totally quote you. I haven't even finished my last tube, because I've noticed that you just need to take in more proteins. Creatine has a point when you are already pretty built, otherwise it's almost useless (not totally ineffective, but definately not worth the money you'd spend on it).


Adone

 

[JayCamx23]

At 15, creatine monohydrate should be the least of your concerns.

creatine is a monster!! if you havent tried it and you want to get a lot stronger use it. im 15 and prolly should wait a while to use it but, oh well. prior to using it as a supplement i maxed benching 165 7 reps. first workout when on creatine i benched 185 7 reps. now i can bench 250 almost 2 reps. i weighed about 175ish when i started. the other day after benching 250 i weighed myself and im 181. creatine= highly recommended if your are SERIOUS about it. by the way how is your heart affected by creatine? havent heard anything bad just wondering cuz i play basketball

 

[Eulogy]

Re: Re: Re: Answers....

Originally posted by KillaPetehog
Wow. Enough with the flaming and listen.. Your body DOES GET IMMUNE to excessive amounts of creatine. If you take creatine on a regular basis...your body will become immune to it....You NEED TO CYCLE YOUR INTAKE OF CREATINE..Every bodybuilder knows that in order to use creatine effectively you have to "cycle" it...or in other words...get off it for a while...otherwise you will be immune to it.

And if you don't know what "cycling" is, feel free to notify me and I will explain it to you.

ATP production is a bodily function. You simply cannot become immune to creatine. It's like saying you can become immune to protein.

The ONLY reason bodybuilders even got the idea to cycle creatine is because long-term side effects are unknown, therefore, some prefer being safe than sorry.

 

[Phoenix_of_the_ashes]

Killapetehog, you may be a trainer, which by the way is really no credential, but you dont understand anything about biology.

Protein cannot be converted to fat, it gets converted to energy and excess energy can get coonverted to fat. Theres a subtle yet important difference.

And you cannot be immune to creatine, immunity is when the immune system reacts to ingestion, which does not happen with creatine because its a substance that naturally is in your body.