Protein

[spesmilitis]

Im thinking about some of the bias that my nutrition professor has, and the bias in the info he gets.

-Most of the data he gets is from normal people, not athletic people with lots of microtrauma damage from their respective training.
-His info is meant for the general public. People who are trying to live as long as they can.
-If he gives info that could result in something bad happening to the body (like the side effects of too much protien), then would be technically responsible.

I would like to see studies for athletic people and not just for normal people.

 

[Warboss Alex]

Im thinking about some of the bias that my nutrition professor has, and the bias in the info he gets.

-Most of the data he gets is from normal people, not athletic people with lots of microtrauma damage from their respective training.
-His info is meant for the general public. People who are trying to live as long as they can.
-If he gives info that could result in something bad happening to the body (like the side effects of too much protien), then would be technically responsible.

I would like to see studies for athletic people and not just for normal people.

You'll rarely find those studies, spes.

The 'relevant' people in such a study (say weight trainers in a protein intake study) are too small of a group compared to the general population to warrant a study in most cases. Plus it's the general public who buys into all this science, REAL lifters know to let it go in one ear and out the other .. just like they always knew that eating a dozen eggs a day was perfectly healthy while 'government guidelines' said more than four yolks PER WEEK was harmful.

You guys will have to be your own studies, simple as. Have an open mind, experiment, listen to as much advice as you can, if you deem it appropriate or feasible, try it out .. keep what works and throw out what doesn't. Do you really need a lab abstract to tell you that doubling your squat weight over a year is going to more or less double your quad size as well?

 

[zerocelcius]

The info is no different than any info on here except Warboss saying you should use 2g per lbs. Where I said max 1.8g per kg (2.2 lbs).

Everyone else has said they use .5 to 1.5g's..

I can't argue that I acted hard in one post.. Ops! But I am hard, hard as a phucking rock! BUT I am not as big as a house!

Somebody said I didn't post the material that stated the other side! Does anybody on her post the other side? NO! SO calm down.

Listen I am just posting finding from the number one guy in protein studies. Look at those links read them than post back. 'cause for the most part I can tell that most of didn't read them.

And if you don't want to don't. I am not making you do anything your all big boys do what you want. It is there if you want to open your mind to the possibility and if you want to throw in the trash do so.

Stop wining like a bunch of sissy la la's.

 

[Fortunate_Juan]

The info is no different than any info on here except Warboss saying you should use 2g per lbs. Where I said max 1.8g per kg (2.2 lbs).

Everyone else has said they use .5 to 1.5g's..

I can't argue that I acted hard in one post.. Ops! But I am hard, hard as a phucking rock! BUT I am not as big as a house!

Somebody said I didn't post the material that stated the other side! Does anybody on her post the other side? NO! SO calm down.

Listen I am just posting finding from the number one guy in protein studies. Look at those links read them than post back. 'cause for the most part I can tell that most of didn't read them.

And if you don't want to don't. I am not making you do anything your all big boys do what you want. It is there if you want to open your mind to the possibility and if you want to throw in the trash do so.

Stop wining like a bunch of sissy la la's.

A significant amount of literature I've read states 2g/1lb. Zero, not that I'm tryin to start a flame or nothin, but it seems like you're the one butt hurt that some people are disagreeing with you. When you put an oppinion on the internet, be prepared for others to disagree thats the way it goes. There's no need to treat it like a personal attack and flip your wig about it, go lift some weights :flowers:

 

[mrRuckus]

the program isn't marketed.. it's not a commercial thing. .

eh.. semantics.

 

[typical]

Whats with all the your gonna die from various things failing in your body crap going around these days here ??

Let me ask you 1 question does you want to be 50+ in a old folks home looking like sh!t slowly dieing cause you lived on less protein or be running around at age 50+ looking like you just got cut out of marble even though your body parts are failing.

Sh!t I'm gonna die oneday anyways I'd rather die looking like a huge ripped mofo then some skinny runt who was too scared to do anything.

Keep it easy eat heaps of protein and drink heaps of water, end of story.

 

[Throttle]

Keep it easy eat heaps of protein and drink heaps of water, end of story.

Common sense & simple principles don't sell well with some of this crowd. *yawn*

 

[zerocelcius]

After posting this and reading your guys’ responses I looked into it further. I still see the same info. And none of it is 2g per lbs. If you could help me by posting it here I would appreciate it.

I do take it personal when I get blasted for posting facts from studies, 'cause I don't see the logic. I can understand people like WarBoss saying he takes 2g per lbs 'cause he is lifting huge weight. BUT are the rest of you that big or need that much?

Honestly from what I have found is, if you don't have any health risks it shouldn't matter. BUT DO you know of your health risks?

Actually the only reason I posted this 'cause I saw people posting that they took a huge amount of protein a day. Agree or disagree?

In all actuality I really just wanted to open up the topic for everyone to talk about.

Also a side note... for my body weight I would have to eat 7 cans of Albacore to get my needed protein at 1.8g. Am I going to eat 7 cans...? Hell no! So is whey an alternative ... YEA! I never said to cut protein out I just said don't over do what you need...

We all agree it is good but some say you should do more. And Dr.’s say .5g...which I think we all agree is way too little. So what ever you do I just hope that you do it right. Drink water! Maybe even take calcium pills or adapt your diet.


Next topic I would like to see is Amino Acids. IF anybody knows a bit about these please post a topic.

 

[Throttle]

start with 1 g per lb., work your way up, keep an eye on things. beyond that it's theological -- some people (led by doctors) will never accept that anything over .5 is useful, others (led by powerlifters) will never accept that anything under 1.5 is worthwhile.

 

[mrRuckus]

After posting this and reading your guys’ responses I looked into it further. I still see the same info. And none of it is 2g per lbs. If you could help me by posting it here I would appreciate it.

I do take it personal when I get blasted for posting facts from studies, 'cause I don't see the logic. I can understand people like WarBoss saying he takes 2g per lbs 'cause he is lifting huge weight. BUT are the rest of you that big or need that much?

Honestly from what I have found is, if you don't have any health risks it shouldn't matter. BUT DO you know of your health risks?

Actually the only reason I posted this 'cause I saw people posting that they took a huge amount of protein a day. Agree or disagree?

In all actuality I really just wanted to open up the topic for everyone to talk about.

Also a side note... for my body weight I would have to eat 7 cans of Albacore to get my needed protein at 1.8g. Am I going to eat 7 cans...? Hell no! So is whey an alternative ... YEA! I never said to cut protein out I just said don't over do what you need...

We all agree it is good but some say you should do more. And Dr.’s say .5g...which I think we all agree is way too little. So what ever you do I just hope that you do it right. Drink water! Maybe even take calcium pills or adapt your diet.


Next topic I would like to see is Amino Acids. IF anybody knows a bit about these please post a topic.

Wait so you listen to your studies and we're dumb for not listening to them but doctors are morons and you get to ignore them?

What's going on here? Why are your sources better than ours?

What's the big deal? Have you ever heard of anyone keeling over from excess protein consumption? Even if some of us have bad kidneys and don't know it we'll figure it out and cut back and everything will be fine. Protein won't CAUSE the problem. I'm more likely to die on my way to work in a traffic accident tomorrow so i'll just do what best gains me muscle mass and you can go back to worrying about terrorists and whatever else you need to worry about which has next to nil chance of happening to you.

 

[mrRuckus]

start with 1 g per lb., work your way up, keep an eye on things. beyond that it's theological -- some people (led by doctors) will never accept that anything over .5 is useful, others (led by powerlifters) will never accept that anything under 1.5 is worthwhile.

Theological?!

Yes. Let's all worship the great protein god Warbosseus.

 

[zerocelcius]

Wait so you listen to your studies and we're dumb for not listening to them but doctors are morons and you get to ignore them?

What's going on here? Why are your sources better than ours?

What's the big deal? Have you ever heard of anyone keeling over from excess protein consumption? Even if some of us have bad kidneys and don't know it we'll figure it out and cut back and everything will be fine. Protein won't CAUSE the problem. I'm more likely to die on my way to work in a traffic accident tomorrow so i'll just do what best gains me muscle mass and you can go back to worrying about terrorists and whatever else you need to worry about which has next to nil chance of happening to you.

I never said you guys were dumb! And yes I will believe that number one guy on Protein and Working out. If you read his stuff you would see he says the same thing as you guys have. I would even bet he would say go for 2g per lb.

Again I never said it would kill you. I say it may be bad for you to over do it. This is HEALTH and fitness right?

I mean yea we all could die in our sleep even, but that doesn't mean you should shoot yourself in the head? No! So why use that we could die driving so who cares logic?

It really isn't logic anyway...

Food for thought *pun*

 

[LegendBoy]

Interesting thread.

I have one kidney... Caution?

 

[mrRuckus]

I never said you guys were dumb! And yes I will believe that number one guy on Protein and Working out. If you read his stuff you would see he says the same thing as you guys have. I would even bet he would say go for 2g per lb.

Again I never said it would kill you. I say it may be bad for you to over do it. This is HEALTH and fitness right?

I mean yea we all could die in our sleep even, but that doesn't mean you should shoot yourself in the head? No! So why use that we could die driving so who cares logic?

It really isn't logic anyway...

Food for thought *pun*

Yes you said it MAY be bad for me with absolutely no proof even after many postings and threads that contradict this that go as far as to say the only people even close to being affected negatively by high protein consumption are those with existing kidney problems. "may may may" Everything is MAY. Everything may cause cancer too, remember?

The point here is probability. There is virtually no chance protein is going to kill you or long term hurt your health. It's not like both your kidneys will just fail one day like a heart attack and you die. Personally i'll just eat the protein and hope i'm not the 1 in however many million that it would hurt. Just playing the odds.

My point with the car thing is that there are plenty of real things to worry about rather than nitpicking on things where there's little medical evidence of it being a problem. There's a ton of sh1t more likely to happen negatively to me than injury by protein so i think i'll work on preventing those instead of living in a panic over nontrivial things.

No! So why use that we could die driving so who cares logic?

It really isn't logic anyway...

Go fvck yourself. Just because you're like "derrrr i don't get and can't draw parallels - derr whatever that means" it doesn't mean you get to say it's not logical.