[PROTEIN] Reputable sources

[grr]

Both the American College of Sports (ACSM) and American Physiological Society (APS) recommend no more than ~.7 g of protein per lb of bodyweight for endurance and strength athletes.

Pretty much most of the reputable posters on this forum recommend 1 g / 1 lb as a minimum.

The problem is that the ACSM and the APS are VERY credible sources.

Can anyone here provide information from similarly credible sources to back up the 1+ g / 1 lb?

The American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM), American Dietetic Association (ADA)
and Dieticians of Canada (DC) recommend:
·
Protein recommendations for endurance athletes are 1.2 to 1.4 g/kg body weight per day, whereas those for
resistance and strength-trained athletes may be as high as 1.6 to 1.7 g/kg body weight per day.

1 lb = ~ .45 kg

Search for ACSM and "protein recommendations" on google to find a number of sources for the above quote.

APS:

The recommended intake (requirement + 2 SD) was 1.6-1.7 g.kg-1.day-1. However, strength (voluntary and electrically evoked) and muscle mass [density, creatinine excretion, muscle area (computer axial tomography scan), and biceps N content] gains were not different between diet treatments

Source for the above quote: http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/73/2/767

EDIT: Also: here is an APS source that basically says the same thing for strength athletes because the first is regarding novices.

http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/73/5/1986

I actually believe 1+ g per pound of bodyweight is better from experience, but this just seems really odd.

 

[mrRuckus]

EVERYWHERE. Go look. This has been covered a huge number of times on this forum and every other lifting forum almost weekly with some new snot nosed brat with fancy research coming out his ass refusing to believe evidence staring him in the face. I don't know if this is you yet, but i'm betting on it since every other guy posting this stuff comes in looking to prove something rather than learn something.

I'm sure you consider the US Dept of Agriculture a credible source but look at the food pyramid they gave us that gives us heart disease and diabetes.

 

[grr]

No, I'm actually trying to tell some other snot-nosed brat in another forum that he's wrong but without the sources I'm afraid their forum is doomed.

I guess I could just link them here, but things would get weird after that.

The U.S. Dept. of Agriculture isn't connected to the ACSM, ADA, DC, or the APS so your last comment is irrelevant.

I did tons of research. I was desperate enough to even search to see if any of those organizations were connected to the tobacco scandals, etc. to try to discredit them a bit, but no dice.

I mean, with so many sources saying the same thing it either has to be right or something is... off.

 

[stronglifts]

No, I'm actually trying to tell some other snot-nosed brat in another forum that he's wrong but without the sources I'm afraid their forum is doomed.

I guess I could just link them here, but things would get weird after that.

The U.S. Dept. of Agriculture isn't connected to the ACSM, ADA, DC, or the APS so your last comment is irrelevant.

I did tons of research. I was desperate enough to even search to see if any of those organizations were connected to the tobacco scandals, etc. to try to discredit them a bit, but no dice.

I mean, with so many sources saying the same thing it either has to be right or something is... off.

Listen to those who have results. Not to those who have proofs. Let the rest do what works for them. Spend your time on your goals & helping those who want to listen achieve their goals vs. losing time trying to change the world.

 

[Slone]

http://www.t-nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1238681
Try that.

 

[blinkwatt]

Pay attention to results from people you personally know and nothing else.

 

[mrRuckus]

The U.S. Dept. of Agriculture isn't connected to the ACSM, ADA, DC, or the APS so your last comment is irrelevant.
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The point is that scientists claim all sorts of crap and then back pedal later meanwhile we have dedicated trainers who see hundreds and thousands of people getting results that go "against the science" while scientists and other self-labeled brainiacs who are in love with latin phrases and acronyms are yelling "not possible!" Derrr, Mr Scientist, we're not performing magic here.

 

[grr]

That makes sense to me mr! I just needed a good source.

http://www.t-nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1238681
Try that.

That'll do! Thanks!

 

[Omen]

Dr Peter Lemon, one of the leading researchers in protein for years. Ask him, or search on the net about what he suggests and claims.

 

[RestoretheROAR84]

The supplement companies and the websites/magazines they sponsor will always say you need a higher amount of protein than an organization like the ACSM or APS because they want to sell you more protein supplements. Both sides have credible sources so you just need to see what works for you personally.

 

[dot]

I would just try what works for you. But I have read about the amount of protein doesn't always matter, especially since we're not absorbing all of it anyway. That's why people on raw food diets don't even really worry about it.

And yeah, FDA and USDA isn't the end-all-be-all.

 

[mrRuckus]

I would just try what works for you. But I have read about the amount of protein doesn't always matter, especially since we're not absorbing all of it anyway.

Are you sh1tting out massive amounts of protein? Are there chunks of chicken in your stool? Funny, if i eat lots of fiber I can see my crap all bulked up, and if i eat corn and carrots i see some of it. Where are the eggs, beef, and chicken that aren't digested?

 

[Warboss Alex]

This subject will always be beaten to death.. personally I'll reserve my more frank opinions so as not to cause offence. []

However, there's one way to find out.

Spend six months with a certain protein intake, then change it and monitor the difference for another six months. Then change it again and monitor, and find what gives you the best results.

Try something like 0.5g per lb (or whatever your research finds quoted as optimal) for six months, then 1g per lb, then 1.5g, then 2g etc. Because no amount of studies, opinions or even experience can give you the correct answer unless you see it yourself with your own eyes.

I can try and convince you guys of my opinion on protein intake til the cows come home. but people will always wave the usual research documents or "I have a buddy/cousin/pet gerbil who eats 50g of protein a day and is bigger than you..".. so there's no real point in discussing anymore.

Take some time to discover what your particular protein needs are, then there'll be no doubt in YOUR mind as to what your intake should be - and let the rest of us just argue to the death as usual.

 

[Bonhomme]

If your goal is to build muscle, it's very simple, really: you need amino acids (i.e., protein) from which to build it. The more muscle you build, the more you need.

If you do a decent workout, you'll want to eat like a hog for days. Take in what you can (of the right things), and don't let any "guidelines" stop you. Your body will tell you when to stop.

 

[simon]

Dr Peter Lemon, one of the leading researchers in protein for years. Ask him, or search on the net about what he suggests and claims.

I don't trust anyone with a citrus fruit in their name, as a general rule.

 

[dot]

Are you sh1tting out massive amounts of protein? Are there chunks of chicken in your stool? Funny, if i eat lots of fiber I can see my crap all bulked up, and if i eat corn and carrots i see some of it. Where are the eggs, beef, and chicken that aren't digested?

No to both of those questions.

 

[Omen]

I don't trust anyone with a citrus fruit in their name, as a general rule.

Then you must have no idea who he is. I'd suggest looking him up

 

[simon]

Then you must have no idea who he is. I'd suggest looking him up

I've tried to, but all I get is pictures of lemons. Am I doing something wrong?

 

[Omen]

I've tried to, but all I get is pictures of lemons. Am I doing something wrong?

I'm not going to spoon feed you on how to use google or a search engine unless your 5yrs old. I could see a 5yr old come up pictures of Lemons if one knew how to search on the net at 5.