Proof that men are the problem

[BaronOfHair]

@Pandora Why does Courtney Ryan have more subs than Rollo

If she really does, that may be attributable to changes Rollo made to his format not too long ago + The fact that both his content and much of what one finds on The Manosphere more generally is a refraction of the sort of jacka-sery one finds among The Woke

25:02-The End

Whatever else one wants to say about Court, she expresses her thoughts in everyday language*, instead of inundating listeners with mountains of jargon and euphemism

*NONE of this "Red Pill Knowledge" is anything new. In the not too distant past, we were discussing these things like regular human beings, instead of trying to sound like opaque, self-important academics. Note the dates on which all of the following were written or recorded

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1984/09/10/dawn-of-the-wimp-you-asked-for-it-the-creature-from-beyond-sincere/bcbaa1f8-db21-4355-a222-95bee93c5d1b/

SUNDAY OBSERVER; Is the Wimp Here to Stay? (Published 1984)

www.nytimes.com

A 'Real Man' Takes Aim at '80s Dating

In 1982, Bruce Feirstein's "Real Men Don't Eat Quiche" satirically divided the masculine gender into two basic camps: guys who start the day with such foods as flapjacks and bacon ("or--if possible--roofing nails") and those sensitive souls who prefer eggs Benedict, yogurt, quiche or any other…

www.latimes.com

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10183

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1991-06-30-9102270767-story.html

https://reason.com/1994/07/01/man-troubles/

https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=20020509&slug=niceguy09

Amazon.com

https://uk.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10-signs-youre-too-good-for-her.html https://www.askmen.com/dating/dating_advice_60/80b_dating_tips.html https://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10-signs-shell-be-a-bad-mother.html https://au.askmen.com/top_10/dating/things-women-do-to-emasculate-men_3.html

And this is all just for starters

 

[Slowhandluke]

What specific decades are you referring to?

with respect to men/women relationship, choose just about any decade in the past; American men and women were more happy as compared to now. they have studies on this.

for example in decades when women didn't have the vote - women and men were more happy with each other... when women didn't leave the house but instead took care of the children - they were more happy, etc...

 

[BaronOfHair]

with respect to men/women relationship, choose just about any decade in the past; American men and women were more happy as compared to now. they have studies on this

I presume you're referring to that single, much-snickered over within The Manosphere study which purports to "prove" that modern women are less happy that gals who lived during an alleged Utopia, which we're told existed at some unspecified time in the past. Putting aside for one moment the weak empirical foundation upon which happiness research itself rests

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sadly-many-happiness-studies-are-flawed-8871053

We're ignoring a few more obvious explanations for the results of that study

-On average, if one asks a woman "Are you happy?", she'll ramble on at length over the many things she's currently not thrilled with. Whereas if one poses the same question to a guy, he'll retort with a brief, snappy "I'm fine". Entirely possible that if one really digs into the details of most respondents to studies such as these, we'd discover that most people(Female AND Male alike)are less than ecstatic about the state of their lives

-Statistically, women seek out psychotherapy more often than men, and currently most shrinks practice the sort junk denounced by the venerable Stefan Hoffman here 18:35-18:40

One Psychologist's Mission To Save Talk Therapy

Can we talk? One psychologist is on a mission to save talk therapy. We’re listening.

www.wvtf.org

Ain't surprising then that a large segment of the overall population who's being encouraged to endlessly jabber on about all the s-it they're dissatisfied with also report experiencing greater emotional distress

 

[Slowhandluke]

I presume you're referring to that single, much-snickered over within The Manosphere study which purports to "prove" that modern women are less happy that gals who lived during an alleged Utopia, which we're told existed at some unspecified time in the past. Putting aside for one moment the weak empirical foundation upon which happiness research itself rests

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sadly-many-happiness-studies-are-flawed-8871053

We're ignoring a few more obvious explanations for the results of that study

-On average, if one asks a woman "Are you happy?", she'll ramble on at length over the many things she's currently not thrilled with. Whereas if one poses the same question to a guy, he'll retort with a brief, snappy "I'm fine". Entirely possible that if one really digs into the details of most respondents to studies such as these, we'd discover that most people(Female AND Male alike)are less than ecstatic about the state of their lives

-Statistically, women seek out psychotherapy more often than men, and currently most shrinks practice the sort junk denounced by the venerable Stefan Hoffman here 18:35-18:40

One Psychologist's Mission To Save Talk Therapy

Can we talk? One psychologist is on a mission to save talk therapy. We’re listening.

www.wvtf.org

Ain't surprising then that a large segment of the overall population who's being encouraged to endlessly jabber on about all the s-it they're dissatisfied with also report experiencing greater emotional distress

I can rephrase my answer: in no other tiime in American history has American woman complained about their life as much as they do now

 

[BaronOfHair]

I can rephrase my answer: in no other tiime in American history has American woman complained about their life as much as they do now

What evidence are you basing this off of?

 

[Bokanovsky]

What do you expect from a society that promotes such ridiculous concepts as "gender equality" and "gender is a social construct"? They are only equal until some bottom-ranked male athlete decides to go trans and immediately set a world record in the female version of the sport. The silver lining to this whole gender insanity is that trans athletes are going to completely destroy female sports. And that's a good thing. Women have no business playing hockey or fighting in the octagon.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Sex sells. Marylin Monroe had her followers. I am pretty sure men were simping French courtesans back in the day. Sadly, women have that power over men, especially the ones thirsty for attention.

This problem is not “new”

 

[Slowhandluke]

What evidence are you basing this off of?

Gains in women’s rights haven't made women happier. Why is that?

Since the 70s, women in the US and Europe have reported feeling less satisfied with their lives

www.theguardian.com

since most studies are self reporting, we can assume women who are not happy are complaining in these surveys/reports. there's probably a linear correlation between complaining and unhappiness.

what evidence do you have that woman are not complaining as much as compared to previous decades?

also, are you implying complaining does not have a positive correlation to happiness? If so, where is your evidence?

or are you just saying women just complain more than men and woman have always complained this much in the past? if so, what is your evidence or logic to get to this conclusion?

 

[zekko]

I don't know anything about the girl in the OP, but historically you don't necessarily have to have hands on experience to cover a sport. Howard Cosell is the biggest example that comes to mind. Of course a lot of people hated him.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Gains in women’s rights haven't made women happier. Why is that?

Since the 70s, women in the US and Europe have reported feeling less satisfied with their lives

www.theguardian.com

That brings us back around to the near-pseudoscientific nature of happiness research itself

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sadly-many-happiness-studies-are-flawed-8871053

It's asinine for us to keep pretending that such studies give us "evidence" of anything. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that women report FEELING more intense unpleasant emotions on a regular basis, for the simple fact that stereotypes like this

Don't come out of nowhere. And THERE IS voluminous evidence in the psychiatric literature demonstrating that talking endlessly about our difficulties, without ever taking action to remedy them, just increases our emotional distress

 

[Slowhandluke]

That brings us back around to the near-pseudoscientific nature of happiness research itself

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sadly-many-happiness-studies-are-flawed-8871053

It's asinine for us to keep pretending that such studies give us "evidence" of anything. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that women report FEELING more intense unpleasant emotions on a regular basis, for the simple fact that stereotypes like this

Don't come out of nowhere. And THERE IS voluminous evidence in the psychiatric literature demonstrating that talking endlessly about our difficulties, without ever taking action to remedy them, just increases our emotional distress

at a certain point you have to draw a line and say this is evidence enough. or else, you can play the "that's not enough proof" game such that nothing can be proven with 100% certainly.

for example, you can give me any "fact" and I can simply say you are wrong because... we are actually living in a simulation.. now, prove that we aren't living in a simulation

self reporting is the best tool we have currently..

 

[BaronOfHair]

at a certain point you have to draw a line and say this is evidence enough. or else, you can play the "that's not enough proof" game such that nothing can be proven with 100% certainly

Which brings us back around to the mountains of data indicating that talking endlessly about one's difficulties(A behavior typically associated with women)exacerbates emotional distress

When talking about your problems actually makes them worse | Philippa Perry

Philippa Perry: As Walter Mischel says, distancing yourself from a traumatic event will help you deal with it better than continually reliving it obsessionally

www.theguardian.com

Why being more open about mental health could be making us feel worse

The language of the therapy room is creeping into everyday life. Psychologist Lucy Foulkes says therapy speak and overpsychologising could do more harm than good

www.newscientist.com

That("Women are prone to groaning on at length over all the disapppointments in their lives"*)'s a far more simple and probable explanation for the question "Why do women report experiencing more emotional distress?" More so than The Manosphere's assertion that we've fallen from a Paradise which allegedly existed at some past date that no one has been able to specify



*Though in fairness, we may be reaching something approaching gender parity on this front... 8th rate Tom Leykis ripoffs on The Manosphere like Paul Elam have conned many entirely too many impressionable guys into believing that acting like this is an advanced way of being

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

at a certain point you have to draw a line and say this is evidence enough. or else, you can play the "that's not enough proof" game such that nothing can be proven with 100% certainly.

for example, you can give me any "fact" and I can simply say you are wrong because... we are actually living in a simulation.. now, prove that we aren't living in a simulation

self reporting is the best tool we have currently..

It's essential that we recognize the potential danger in calling things 'fake news' if they don't align with our beliefs. This can lead to a close-minded attitude and prevent people from considering different viewpoints or learning new information.

 

[BaronOfHair]

It's essential that we recognize the potential danger in calling things 'fake news' if they don't align with our beliefs

Many of us are too far down that road to turn back around

 

[BaronOfHair]

for example, you can give me any "fact" and I can simply say you are wrong because...

Similar to a conversation had here

Going to be another brutal summer for much of the US it appears...

I'm not taking sides. I think the extremes, in this case, are, in fact, extremes—the real story most likely lies somewhere between the two camps. Do greenhouse gases accelerate things? Yes, it's scientifically proven. Is Mars warmer? Yes, it is, its scientifically proven. Both processes are...

www.sosuave.net

Going to be another brutal summer for much of the US it appears...

Climate Change not being The End Of The World is cause for rejoicing It will never be the end of the world. Eventually likely will be the end of humankind if we last that long but we will likely destroy ourselves via nuclear war before that can happen.

www.sosuave.net

The very act of deeming something to be a "fact" is itself an opinion. This only becomes a problem when we refuse to admit as much, both to ourselves, and one another

 

[Slowhandluke]

Similar to a conversation had here

Going to be another brutal summer for much of the US it appears...

I'm not taking sides. I think the extremes, in this case, are, in fact, extremes—the real story most likely lies somewhere between the two camps. Do greenhouse gases accelerate things? Yes, it's scientifically proven. Is Mars warmer? Yes, it is, its scientifically proven. Both processes are...

www.sosuave.net

Going to be another brutal summer for much of the US it appears...

Climate Change not being The End Of The World is cause for rejoicing It will never be the end of the world. Eventually likely will be the end of humankind if we last that long but we will likely destroy ourselves via nuclear war before that can happen.

www.sosuave.net

The very act of deeming something to be a "fact" is itself an opinion. This only becomes a problem when we refuse to admit as much, both to ourselves, and one another

With respect to male/female relationship, what do you consider fact? You seem to be devoid of them. Perhaps you agree "women are complaining more" as a fact, but then you seem to imply we cannot deduce anything from this because in general, women have a tendency to complain

Can you list some important facts that we me improve our understanding of current male/female relationship? Some "givens"... a base where deduction can be used and a scaffold of knowledge can be built ?

You seem to like to dismiss what other people consider as facts, but you don't really have any facts that you can contribute. That we as a group, can pick and pry.. and examine

 

[BaronOfHair]

With respect to male/female relationship, what do you consider fact?

That they're simultaneously exhilarating and frustrating

 

[BaronOfHair]

Women have no business playing hockey or fighting in the octagon.

Chicks in the octagon can, under certain circumstances, provide spectacular entertainment

 

[Slowhandluke]

That they're simultaneously exhilarating and frustrating

How are they exhilarating? How are frustrating? Is this only based on personal experiences? Do you have an "theories" regarding the general population? The generalities of female/male relationship that aren't just vagueness - "exhilarating and frustrating".

Jane Goodall: "after much research... after spending years with chimpanzees. I can clearly say, chimpanzees have relationships that are 'simultaneously exhilarating and frustrating'".

Jane would never say such vagueness and..., lets be honest, such trite You reject other people's "facts", as only opinion; but you have really no bases to stand on. no real "facts" of your own. It's very nihilist, is it not?

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Ehhh, women are like exotic pets:

• Beautiful
• Hazardous
• Require special feeding
• Require special handling
• The more exotic, the more skill they require
• The more exotic, the more pleasure the owner is rewarded with, if he knows what he’s doing

Why do enthusiasts enjoy them? Because.