Professional PUAs - best and worst
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RSD is actually what helped with the specific struggles I had. But I wouldn't say I just blindly followed it, I just picked out the pieces that was useful. Never paid, the free content was more than enough.
Worst would definitely have to be Mystery, that dude is so cringe that you probably couldn't even parody him.
Worst would definitely have to be Mystery, that dude is so cringe that you probably couldn't even parody him.
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I would have had a tonne to say on this topic a few years back when I was obsessed with game and the community; before I kind of reached the conclusion that your game has a fairly minor effect on your results and people are really just patting themselves on the back for stumbling across a girl who likes how you look and not completely screwing it up (you won't need to stumble for long if you are good looking of course)
It's hard to pick favouites when 'Seduction' in the traditional sense is really just a buzz word - like the grotesque old man in old movies who seduces all the beautiful teenage maidens who are initially repulsed by him by using his seductive poetry or whatever. 'Conversion' (but fiction)
Having said that, like serenity, I also quite liked RSD. I think people will basically end up choosing coaches whose vibe they resonate with etc.
Some people might think Mystery is a boss. Again, like serenity, I think he almost had ANTI-game if you go by his infields! He seemed to almost talk himself out of pulling girls (well, kiss closing lol) who he was better looking and younger than and who were initially very keen, with his odd structured cringy verbals and theories that he'd jam into sets in the designated order!
Bit like Krauser. The people who complain the most about 'good looking guy game' (like Krauser does) and who want to try to sell you the idea that they are better because they don't rely on good looks are usually the weirdest in set. Krausers game again makes me cringe hard. He mainly does things like constantly comparing girls to fluffy animals and throws in some really weird 'cold reads' etc - presuamably this is his 'seduction'. The thing that he thinks help him to convert her and him compete with better looking guys. (although really his 'success' was mainly from a while back when he was running foreigner game on broke Eastern European girls. Not even sure that'd work for him anymore thanks to onlyfans haha. In fact i'm fairly skeptical about how much success he even had tbh)
SO for me, there's a group of PUA's who I consider to have decent game who I guess are my favourites and don't weird me out too much. I'm talking RSD, Austin Summers, Vadeem of honest signals, UMP and a few others.
However, don't get it twisted. None of these guys in my list are doing anything amazing. Amazing stuff simply doesn't exist (seduction in the true sense of the word). They are just relaxed and talkative and inject humour and are able to flirt etc. Basically, i'm afraid to say, what most normal dudes already do and know and who have never needed to google 'PUA' or 'game'
tbh - that almost describes me. I realised that despite reading dozens of PUA books and watching many premium courses and all that stuff, i've not really learnt anything new that I didn't' already know before discovering game. Nothing has given me an Increased 'edge'. I've banged a lot more girls since discovering cold approach pickup, but that's because my number of approaches sky rocketed! lol
It's hard to pick favouites when 'Seduction' in the traditional sense is really just a buzz word - like the grotesque old man in old movies who seduces all the beautiful teenage maidens who are initially repulsed by him by using his seductive poetry or whatever. 'Conversion' (but fiction)
Having said that, like serenity, I also quite liked RSD. I think people will basically end up choosing coaches whose vibe they resonate with etc.
Some people might think Mystery is a boss. Again, like serenity, I think he almost had ANTI-game if you go by his infields! He seemed to almost talk himself out of pulling girls (well, kiss closing lol) who he was better looking and younger than and who were initially very keen, with his odd structured cringy verbals and theories that he'd jam into sets in the designated order!
Bit like Krauser. The people who complain the most about 'good looking guy game' (like Krauser does) and who want to try to sell you the idea that they are better because they don't rely on good looks are usually the weirdest in set. Krausers game again makes me cringe hard. He mainly does things like constantly comparing girls to fluffy animals and throws in some really weird 'cold reads' etc - presuamably this is his 'seduction'. The thing that he thinks help him to convert her and him compete with better looking guys. (although really his 'success' was mainly from a while back when he was running foreigner game on broke Eastern European girls. Not even sure that'd work for him anymore thanks to onlyfans haha. In fact i'm fairly skeptical about how much success he even had tbh)
SO for me, there's a group of PUA's who I consider to have decent game who I guess are my favourites and don't weird me out too much. I'm talking RSD, Austin Summers, Vadeem of honest signals, UMP and a few others.
However, don't get it twisted. None of these guys in my list are doing anything amazing. Amazing stuff simply doesn't exist (seduction in the true sense of the word). They are just relaxed and talkative and inject humour and are able to flirt etc. Basically, i'm afraid to say, what most normal dudes already do and know and who have never needed to google 'PUA' or 'game'
tbh - that almost describes me. I realised that despite reading dozens of PUA books and watching many premium courses and all that stuff, i've not really learnt anything new that I didn't' already know before discovering game. Nothing has given me an Increased 'edge'. I've banged a lot more girls since discovering cold approach pickup, but that's because my number of approaches sky rocketed! lol
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In2theGame
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I don't follow any PUA's but as far as dating advice with Women, for me it's hands down Alan Roger Currie.
Hamurabimbi
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I read Roosh’s ‘Game’ when I first became single a couple of years ago, after a decade of marriage. I felt like I needed some idea of what to do. The book was helpful. Especially ‘escalation’, which was my weak point. I think Roosh was a PUA.
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Nah RSD helped a lot of guys. Disclaimer: I worked for RSD as a Vegas Immersion Coach and helped run bootcamps with some of the instructors, so I am biased. But they were pioneers in terms of shifting the community from pick-up lines to the idea of identity-level change.
We had guys come on the immersion programme for three months who were completely different people by the time they left. We'd basically unlocked something they'd been repressing in themselves their entire lives. For the first time they felt free; they felt 'entitled' to be cool. It's an incredible thing and it's only really RSD who went that deep on what it means to experience profound identity-level transformation. They also made pickup fun and about being silly and self-amusing and not giving a ****. This is how it should be when you go out; I remember when I started learning game and all the Mystery Method and 'lair' guys would be creepy as **** and super-serious every time we went out. But RSD attracted more normal dudes to pickup who you weren't embarrassed to go out to clubs with.
That doesn't mean I went along with everything they said. Their marketing was often ridiculous and I find Tyler (Owen) quite annoying these days. I also hate the whole cult vibe around their annual summits. Some of the instructors were great and would work to give bootcamp students value for money (Maze, Ozzy, Julian), whereas I've heard lots of stories about other coaches being lazy on bootcamps and letting their assistants do all the work (Jeffy, Derek).
But overall, I think RSD brought a ton of value to pickup and it feels like there's a huge void in the community now they've basically dissolved the company.
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In the early 2010s, I read "Bang" and "Day Bang". Both were helpful. I found "Day Bang" more helpful. I read "Game" too. That would have been more helpful had I not read "Bang" and "Day Bang" prior and had read Manosphere content for years.
He is good at random day approaching.
RSD always seemed to have low information density. And I couldn't listen to Owen for more than 5 minutes. What a tool. Bobby Rio s worth a mention for his story telling stuff. Swingcat had some interesting stuff if you didn't mind being a bit manipulative. Which a lot of guys would regard as leveling the playing field
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The information density is indeed low, but I think that helps make it digestible. I much preferred watching videos of Julien, mostly because of all the crazy stories he told before the SJWs came after him for making jokes.
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I think they all have a low signal to noise ratio or low information density. Pretty much the whole game can fit on one page. They had to “decompress” it big time to fill ebooks, seminars and videos.
All that said, you can find golden nuggets mixed in.
All that said, you can find golden nuggets mixed in.
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examples? I've definitely read his book, but i've also read literally everyone elses and struggle to remember who said what at times lol
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Bobby Rio has a ton of great stuff...videos, and some of his social lab programs are very very well done. I don't view him as a PUA guy tho...more of a coach to help people stop sabotaging themselves.
Rob Judge is very good too
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Hahaha...dude is totally unphased by any reaction he gets. I am sure he probably is pretty successful with these.