"Professional Dater": a definition

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She probably doesn't know that I've dumped her, nor does she probably care, but I found a definition that AMAZINGLY fits her:

Women who go out on dates with men whom they have absolutely no romantic interest in or physical attraction to. These women have no intention of exploring the possibility of a relationship with the poor sap they’re dating. Consumed with her own narcissistic agenda, she has no concern whatsoever that she is misleading her victim, let alone possibly hurting his feelings. Toying with a man’s emotions is a form of recreation for her.

The way she behaves isn’t right and it isn’t fair either, but it is a reality that all single guys must learn to deal with, unless you are in a rock band, a skanky biker or a politician.

Her agenda is: To enjoy as many social, recreational and restaurant opportunities as she can, with no strings attached, while she bides her time, looking for the ‘real’ Mr. Right. In her narcissistic universe, her inner dialogue goes something like this: “While I’m attending that party with Mr. AFC, I just might meet a celebrity.” Or, “while I’m dining at the nicest restaurant in town with my shlub date, at least I’ll be able to enjoy another lobster dinner this week instead of having to stay home and watch TV. Attention from an undesirable male is better than no male attention at all.”

The more beautiful the Professional Dater is, the more bored and higher her standards will be and they themselves don't necessarily have to be a "10", either. They enjoy getting free dinners and movie tickets, courtesy of Mr. Clueless.

Well versed in the subtleties of manipulation, the Professional Dater knows that her victim will not continue to lavish his attention and generosity upon her if she doesn’t give him a sense of hope and possibility. So, she’s a master at leading him on, without ever having to touch him. For her, the idea of actually even kissing him ranges somewhere from 'ugh' to 'GAG ME WITH A SPOON!'.

The Professional Dater has trained herself to exhibit all the buying signals of the woman with authentic high interest level. She sometimes forces herself to touch the guy. She tells him how special he is. She thanks him profusely for the lovely evening she had. She even makes very subtle hints about the possibility of furthering the relationship in the future. She knows how to play men like a violin. Professional daters are usually over the age of 30.


The above was adapted from one of Doc Loves responses.
 

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Good reminder.

It looks like you got rid of a first-class bytch. Props to you for seeing through her web of deception.
 

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yes that's a great definition, and something to watch out for.

And this is also why Doc Love encourages kissing on the first date, and if she doesn't kiss back - NEXT! This weeds out most professional daters...

And I think this is also why most DJs here recommend cheap first dates, that way prof.daters don't get a lot in return...
 

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Originally posted by mistyc:
yes that's a great definition, and something to watch out for.

And this is also why Doc Love encourages kissing on the first date, and if she doesn't kiss back - NEXT! This weeds out most professional daters...

And I think this is also why most DJs here recommend cheap first dates, that way prof.daters don't get a lot in return...

You catch on quick.
 

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Originally posted by Page:

You catch on quick.


Thanks... but I've been reading doc love articles since january
been hanging out on askmen.com for a few months before I found this site


But no.. forget what I just said. I do catch on quick
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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You have a relatively low post count and I hadn't seen you here before, so I assumed that you were new.
 

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well I am new here on sosuave.com (hm, 2-3 weeks maybe?)

And I always lurk more than I post.. for various reasons - either I don't have something to contribute, or I'm too busy reading the excellent posts here, or my carpal tunnel syndrome keeps me from posting too much, etc..

Plus I always lurk for like a week before posting, to get the feel of the place and all... And read the material before posting annoying questions that have been answered 100 times in the bible
 

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Originally posted by mistyc:
...And read the material before posting annoying questions that have been answered 100 times in the bible

Props to you for doing that. Not many newbies do, I regret to say.
 

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Professional daters are akin to (bored) married people who frequent singles chat rooms. They know they can play the chatters so far until the chat regulars finally catch on and they have to move onto the next chat room. Professional daters will lead the poor AFC sap (not a true DJ) on with the possibility that he will get some pus*y down the road. She dumps (or suddenly doesn't return phone calls) the sucker and moves onto her next victim.

Professional daters love EXPENSIVE dates. The astute DJ weeds her out by asking her out on two consecutive "dirt cheap" action dates which include Wendy's/Burger King/McDonald's snacks. After two straight cheap dates with NO flowers or chocolates, the professional dater bids the dude "adieu" no matter how good looking he may be.

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Originally posted by Page:

Props to you for doing that. Not many newbies do, I regret to say.


I guess I'm just old-fashioned
I remember reading somewhere that this was the custom on newsgroups, before the AOL era...
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Great Post RK. I wish I had read it before going out with my most recent so-called "girlfriend". She fits the description really well. But, you have to be really careful!

The girl I went out with would give me hot oil massages. Kissed and made out with me for long periods of time, and acted like she was enjoying it. She told mutual friends that she really liked me. She told me that she liked me, and spoke of our future together. She even spoke of our future together to her friends.

After two months of "dating" her, I was still clueless. I even read Doc Love's System. But this girl was that good. She was a Master Proffesional Dater. Near the end of our relationship, she even gave me a B**w-J*b, and let me go down on her. She even asked me to spend the night with her on two occasions. Which I foolishly did. A few days before she dumped me, she had the nerve to order the most expensive thing on the menu, even though she planned to get rid of me.

So, the lesson here is : You can never be too careful. There were signs and red flags along the way that I didn't see. But, Doc Love pointed them out to me when I talked to him.

This was a very painful experience, but worth going through. It taught me a lot about professional daters and what they're willing to do to take advantage of you. So, BE REALLY careful guys. Don't let this happen to you.

The good news is, once you've gone through something as bad as I have, it's hard to get tricked again. Unless you're too foolish to learn as many lessons as you can from this.

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Hi Feelgood. I just wanted to know what the red flags were that you alluded to in your post about your pseudogirlfriend.

Thanks

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Ah yes... the flags!

They were very subtle. Again, keep in mind, this girl was the ultimate professional dater. She was really good.

Flag #1

On our first date, when a guy asked if I was her boyfriend: she said, "no, he's just a friend." I thought she was just afraid to say I was her boyfriend because it might scare me away. SO, I thought nothing of it at the time.
But, looking back... I had a similar incident with a girl who really liked me. It was our first date, and a guy asked her that question. She exclaimed, "Yeah! He's my boyfriend." As she pressed her body against me tightly. I could have f@*ked her that night, if I wasn't an AFC at the time.

Flag #2

On our third date, she wanted to take a couple who she was friends with. We went bowling. I thought that she must really like me to be introducing me to her friends already. Keep in mind, we had kissed at the end of our second date. Mutual friends kept telling me that she told them how much she liked me, and wanted to go out with me again.
I never thought about on our third date, it was way too early to be inviting friends. The first three or four dates should just be you and her. If she invites, friends. Guess where you are? A friend, or chump that she's using.

This date ended with a passionate kiss, and Flag #4

She said she had to get up early, so she didn't invite me in. I wasn't used to things moving this slowly, sexually. But, it was the first time I dated a single mom. And our mutual friends assured me that she wasn't "easy".

If a girl likes you enough, single mom or not, she should be ready to rip your clothes off by the end of the third date. Or, at the very least, do some heavy making out. If you don't initiate it with her, which you should, she should be tearing into you. If she really likes you, she'll even make the first move, if you're too shy. I don't advocate letting that happen, though.

Flag #5

Doc Love pointed this one out to me.

On the week of Valentine's Day, I didn't call her all week. I had flowers sent to her at work. (I know, stupid mistake. But, we had been dating for six weeks, by now.) She didn't call me. I had a gut feeling that told me it meant she didn't like me, but I didn't listen.

Again, our wonderful, misleading mutual friends intervened. They said she called them to see if everything was alright. They said she was "frantic" that I didn't call her. They said she was afraid I didn't like her.

So, I caved in and called her. I thought she must really like me if she was that worried.

Doc Love said, "if she really liked you, why was she calling her friends? Why wasn't she calling you, if she was worried that you didn't like her? Why not go right to the source? This lady was an actress."

He was right. Unfortunately, I didn't call him until after she dumped me.

We had also been dating all this time, and still hadn't done more than the massages and heavy making out. I've usually always had sex by now. Even as an AFC. But, I mistakenly thought, "She's a 37 year old single mom. Maybe she's just not ready to rush into sex."

Many people might say that's true. But, we all know women love sex as much as we do. Especially when they get older. If you've been dating her over a month, and you haven't had sex yet. There's something wrong. Even if she's incredibly shy.

A week later, I finally got to suck on her tits. A week after that, We had oral sex on each other. This goes to show how far a professional dater will let you go, just to keep using you. She even asked me to sleep in her bed with her. She didn't say anything, but I knew f**king was out of the question that night. I just thought she wasn't ready or was on the rag, or something. I thought, "Next time, we'll go all the way." WRONG.

Flag #6

She always talked bad about her friends behind their backs. All but three of them, anyway. She also had one friend, whom she said, "She's not my friend anymore, but she used to be. She just pissed me off." Two weeks later, that same girl was her friend again. Just weird behavior, pickiness, and complaining about really trivial things, should have tipped me off about her.

There were other flags, too. Too numerous to mention them all. It's hard to notice these things when you really like a girl. But, you have to stay objective. You also have to trust your gut. I had a bad gut feeling about this girl, and our "relationship" the whole time we were "dating". But, I listened to my weiner, instead of my gut. Don't ever do that.

It's funny. But despite the pain, anger, and disappointment; I feel so much better without her. I'm sleeping better, and doing much better with women.

Hope this helped some. You really have to be careful. Don't abandon this site if you think you might possibly have one of these girls. That's when you need this site the most!
 

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Originally posted by Dr_Feelgood:
Ah yes... the flags!
Dude, did we date the same girl? Two years ago in my deeply AFC days, I dated a chick just like this who turned to have a serious personality disorder. She was very weird from the beginning which I kept rationalizing to myself as her being shy, interestingly unpredictable, etc., etc. I ended up getting my heart SERIOUSLY broken over her.

She was pretty, smart, tall, slender, sweet-talking, say-anything-you-want-to-hear, unpredictable, impulsive, wounded bird in need of rescuing (which I wanted to rescue), thrill seeker, kinky in bed (I later found she was bisexual), gold-digger, liar, crazy-making, NUT CASE!

She was also a 37-year-old single mom.

The girl I just dumped this week is also 37 years old, but never married.

Maybe it's the age?

I once heard and am starting to believe it the older I get: "Women are like parking spaces: All the good ones are taken and the rest are handicapped."
 

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Feelgood, thanks for the follow up! Posts like that are the only thing keeping me coming back to this site.

Regarding your and RK's experience with 37 yr old women--personally the oldest I've dated is 25, but I hear from friends when women get that age and don't have a husband--not just a man, but a HUSBAND--they are fvcking crazy. And I mean CRAZY.

Jake
 

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Glad you guys liked the post.

Another quick flag:

She never asked me personal questions, unless I asked her first. She never even knew anything about my interests or hobbies. That's a dead giveaway that a chick isn't really into you.

Yes, I think this chick was messed up in the head a lot. The more people that agree on that, the better I feel. My self-esteem and heart were crushed after this episode. I was beating myself up for a long time.

I kept thinking, "what's wrong with me? Did I become that much of an AFC? Am I boring to women? Am I unlikable/unloveable?"....and on and on.

The real problem was with her all along. I just chose a bad woman to give my heart to. I should have gone for sex by the end of the third or fourth date. If she didn't give it up, I should have nexted her.

Lesson learned- -- the hard way. I also learned something that should have been common sense. If a woman is that old, and has never been in many serious LTRs, there's something wrong with her. Especially if she's really beautiful, like this one was. Women like that have guys after them, all the time. From the time they're young. IF they haven't settled down at least once, by the time they're in their early 30s, there is something wrong with them. (Exceptions to this would be career women, or ugly ducklings who became beautiful swans. But these are rare.)

I guess in a way, I got what I deserved. I made a bad choice, and I paid heavily for it. But, I'm so much better because of it. Now, I'm taking part in the DJ Boot Camp. Lately, my confidence has bloomed, and my shyness has nearly died. It's very empowering. Now, I know I'll be able to choose the high quality chicks that I like. No more low interest losers, professional daters, or total psycho chicks. I'll be doing a long post on all of this shortly. Stay tuned.
 

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Originally posted by RKTek:
Dude, did we date the same girl?

She was pretty, smart, tall, slender, sweet-talking, say-anything-you-want-to-hear, unpredictable, impulsive, wounded bird in need of rescuing (which I wanted to rescue), thrill seeker, kinky in bed (I later found she was bisexual), gold-digger, liar, crazy-making, NUT CASE!


Dude did WE date the same woman???????

She was also a 37-year-old single mom.

ahh, different women, pfew.
"wounded bird" that's a lesson we both learnt the hard way.
 

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Originally posted by Dr_Feelgood:
Glad you guys liked the post.

Another quick flag:

She never asked me personal questions, unless I asked her first. She never even knew anything about my interests or hobbies. That's a dead giveaway that a chick isn't really into you.
Yes, that's definitely something to watch for. My first date with this one girl was the exact opposite; she kept asking me questions about myself, it was very difficult to keep the 40/60 speaking rule down, and so I got a bit sloppy about asking HER questions. In addition, the date didn't cost me anything. And I'm still seeing her, which probably says something about her interest level.


One thing is also, when you ask for a girl's name, and she asks for yours afterwards, it's likely she is at least a little interested in you. But this isn't totally foolproof; a married chick will do it, and sometimes a rather nervous single girl won't.

BGMan
 

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