Preventing LJBF

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What are some ways to prevent a let's just be friends scenario from happening? A week ago I made out with this girl I've been pursuing for a while and I wanna make more out of it. I could tell she's been interested in me for a while, but we're also borderline friendzone. So far I've kept contact to a minimum, having spoke since Friday. And I almost always do the ****y/neg hits on her. She might visit me tonight, so I wanna try something further. What can I do to prevent any LJBF from happening?
 

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One of the biggest problems a guy's response to a LJBF rejection (and that's what it is, a rejection) is in determining whether or not she was 'really' interested (i.e. a sh!t test) or she meant it as an exit strategy. It's this AFC, hopeful doubt that throws guys off, but In either case the default response should be a takeaway.

Women have used the LJBF rejection for hundreds of years because it serves an ego preservation function for them. To a greater or lesser degree, women require attention and the more they have of it the more affirmation they experience, both personally and socially. The LJBF rejection has classically ensured that a woman can reject a man yet still maintain his previous attention. It also puts the responsibility for the rejection back on his shoulders since, should he decline the 'offer of friendship', he is then responsible for entertaining this friendship. This of course has the potential to backfire on women these days since the standard AFC will accept an LJBF rejection in the mistaken hopes of 'proving' himself worthy of her intimacy by being the perfect 'surrogate boyfriend' - fulfilling all her attention and loyalty prerequisites with no expectation of reciprocating her own intimacy. The LJBF rejection also serves as an ego preservation for her in that having offered the false olive branch of 'friendship' to him in her rejection she also can sleep that night knowing that she (and any of her peers) wont think any less of herself. After all, she offered to be friends, right? She is excused from any feelings of personal guilt or any responsibilities for his feelings if she still wants to remain amiable with him.

The difficulty I have in questioning the veracity of an LJBF, wondering if she was 'for real' or not, is it still keeps her in a position of control. I think the default response should be to assume she is serious and take it as a rejection (and her loss) ergo, you remove the reinforcer - attention. Up until the point you make an approach for her intimacy she was enjoys the benefit of your attentions. After an LJBF response her latent intent is to keep that reinforcer of attention. Do not reward her for this disingenuous response, she will only use it on you again or with another guy in a similar situation since it was reinforced the last time this circumstance was experienced. And should the next fellow reinforce it further she will internalize this as her standard response.

A man's default response should always be to excuse him from the situation. The reason for this is because it serves his best interest whether she is testing him or is rejecting him. If he is confident enough in himself to walk away from the sexually tense environment, she helped create, he proves himself as decisive enough to put himself above being 'played' like this. He leaves her with the impression that he is the PRIZE, has options with better prospective women than disingenuous girls such as her and is confident enough to take away his attentions and thus passes her sh!t test while placing the responsibility of a re-connection on her (where it should be anyway). If she has in fact had a change of heart (her prerogative) and is using the LJBF as a means to reject him, he still benefits from all of the above and plants the 'seed of doubt' in her about her initial estimation of his acceptability for her intimacy. Let a woman's imaginations work FOR you. And even if she is truly not interested in the guy, he walks away on his feet and not his knees, playing friend with her and wasting still more time that could be far better spent with more productive prospects.

This is really one of the few win-win situations for a guy to make a wholesale withdrawal of his attentions when he is confronted with an LJBF. Women know all too well how an LJBF places social pressure on a guy to accept what basically amounts to an ultimatum of negative social proof and that's a hell of a sh!t test no matter what her real intent is. If the guy turns down her offer of friendship, he's the d!ickhed, not her. But the guy that can do what common sense and gut instinct points out to him will be the one to succeed, with her and himself.
 

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Well I'm not turned down yet... I saw her today for like 5mins cos I had to leave. She wants me to help her move in to her new apartment on Monday. All her other friends have work, so I may be the only one there ;) Hopefully she's not using me just to help her. Later on that night her other friends are supposed to help her move in, but maybe we can test her bed out...
Anyways, I saw her for a few minutes today and then left. We're texting a little later, I invite her to watch a movie in my room. She says she's gotta go, but she'll see me tomorrow. I tell her this movie is really good and she's missing out. She says maybe she'll rent it tonight. I say something funny about it, she texts me back saying I'm funny and calling me a cutie. I say, she can borrow the movie or maybe we can watch it tomorrow night when she visits. She's like... maybe, if you're lucky. I say something like, you should be the lucky one cos I only grace my presence with special people blah blah blah I dunno.
So far I think I'm doing a good job at keeping her interested and staying out of the friendzone. Any other advice guys? :/
 

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1. The best way to prevent it is to **** her.. it's pretty simple actually. consider sex, the act of or the thought of, your vaccination against LJBF. if you are trying ot **** her, even if you don't succeed, she is not thinking of you in friendly terms. you've set the lines.

2. Leave
 

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Your making yourself too available for this girl.

Sounds like she enjoys your attention, but is not that into you. You have given her ample chance to come round, and a 'maybe' response is a low one.

I rekon if you were more busy with other girls, and instead of texting to invite her round, you actually called, it would raise her interest.

Good work on trying to keep her entertained with the humour, but being unavailable because your busy with other folk is also a great way to get respect and attention off girls. Why you ask? because it shows you have options, a life, and shows other folk want to hang around with you because your popular.

keep in mind - she KNOWS your interested, but she's not really making herself available for you to make your move.

Personally mate, if it was me and she doesnt pop round tonight, there IS NO WAY I would be round there helping her move in....your busy right? something came up at the last minute yea with X......If you go round there, she will loose any respect for you.

You have everything to gain by not going round. I realise you probably will disagree, but if you phone her and explain confidently that something has come up, and that you will give her a call when your next free. This will gain her interest, and make you less of a chump who she can control.

Let us know how this goes - your still in the game with her - dont blow it....
and REMEMBER, you can see this girl whenever YOU want and when YOUR free - it doesnt have to be to help her move into her flat...
 

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PectoralisMajor said:
Your making yourself too available for this girl.

That's exactly what I thought the other day. She came over to pickup a sweatshirt that she left here and I had my keys in my hand and I told her to be quick cos I had to go. So we talked for like 2mins and then she left and then I left. I thought it was good cos I made myself unavailable and went somewhere else with my buddies. Then later I came back with a movie I rented, and made the stupid idea of inviting her to come up and see it. She was about to come up, but she had to leave to go back home. She wants to hangout this weekend, but I told her I'll be gone, I'm camping. So the only times we can hangout is tonight and possibly Monday.
She asked me if I could help her move in on Monday. I did a bunch of c&f saying I got work, you're lazy, have your friends help you, blah blah blah. But she kept asking me cos she really wanted me over. I even showed her my schedule, I was working from 3-10pm. So she wanted me to come over in the morning. So I'll come over for a little bit, maybe we could test her bed out.
Being unavailable all this weekend should be good though.
 

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foomee said:
Well I'm not turned down yet...She wants me to help her move in to her new apartment on Monday. :/
You're supposed to be the prize

Would Brad Pitt help her move if he hadn't banged her? If she was interested in Brad Pitt would she ask him to help her move?
 

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Max Power said:
You're supposed to be the prize

Would Brad Pitt help her move if he hadn't banged her? If she was interested in Brad Pitt would she ask him to help her move?
Yep, this is bad form, why dont you help pack all her boxes and move all her crap so that the guy she is ****ing doesnt have to step over it all :nono:
 

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The worst mistake a guy makes when he pursues a girl is that he stops talking to other girls. He commits himself to one girl when he isn't even her boyfriend yet.
 
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