Pressure to get engaged

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I've been with my girlfriend for four and a half years. We are living together but our lease expires soon and she won't get a new place with me unless we are engaged.

The problem is I don't feel ready. I know plenty of people who are engaged/married/have kids by my age (late twenties) but something inside me just doesn't want to do it.

I do love my girlfriend and she is a wonderful person. I guess the only problem in the relationship is the s*x is now very infrequent. I always find that after a few months of being with the same girl I kind of lose interest in that department.

Now I just don't know what to do. I see myself breaking up with her (or rather her breaking up with me if i don't get engaged) and just being really lonely and miserable. On the other hand I know if I do engaged it won't be because I wanted to but rather because I was pressurised into it.

I know the obvious question is, 'Is she the one for you?' Well I think she is but I still have a real desire for excitement, sleeping with different women and having freedom. On the other hand I love having a companion, someone to come home to, talk to about anything, etc.

This is driving me crazy.
 
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i used to be in the same boat i suppose - 3.5 years she was looking for the ring - then we broke up - now im a player and i love it!!!!!

so my advice to you is just say to her look babe im not ready for this at the moment - if you dont understand that then you are not the woman i thought you were.

in the sex department - it is your job to want her - women want to be ****ed dude - be sexual not nice - kiss her passionatly - read my closing routine - you need to relight the fire.

learn sexual teqniques - i teach this - if you need more advice then PM me

anyway dude good luck bro and im here to help if you need it,
 

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Phoenix,

Thanks, that's good to hear that you broke up but aren't in the gutter clutching a crack pipe (as I am worried will be my fate!).

S*x wise I think the problem is I just don't get turned on by her anymore which is stupid because she's a beautiful girl.

I'm an idiot I guess. May well PM you.
 

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I know alot of guys that get tired of the same pu**y over and over again. I'm tired of my girlfriend right now. But, I think it has more to do with me being overweight and out of shape, being tired, my lower back hurting, stress, etc.

We all go through it. You, and only you, can make a touch decision like this one.

I haven't cared about sex for a good month now. I got too much other sh1t going on. If my girlfriend doesn't understand that, she knows what she can do.
 

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Your first post, in general discussion, went like this:
Miles28 said:
So i'm at this nightclub on Saturday. A girl who tells me she is a model (and she was hot enough for it to be true) comes onto me. Hard.

For reasons I won't go into I had to leave early so I got her number. Anyway I made the mistake yesterday of texting rather than calling her. No response and let's face it after 24 hours there's not much chance of there being one in the future.

Question - is it even worth calling up? I assume all phones receive text messages so she must have got it. I don't want to look like some crazed stalker but as I didn't actually talk to her I don't necessarily want to leave things if there's a chance she didn't get it, deleted it by accident, etc.
Either your mind is already made up that you are dumping your "girlfriend" and living alone, or you're a...

Uh, wait, what was the question again? Should you marry this chick?

Does she enhance your life? If no, then no, if yes, then... that's up to you to decide.

I'd personally kick her ass out just for forcing the issue, but hey, I wouldn't have been living with her to be in that situation.
 

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The problem is I don't feel ready.
You just answered your own question. And it's not a problem either. It's your life, and no one elses. Don't let anyone bully into doing stuff you don't want too. I couldn't imagine marrying someone that bullied me into it.
 

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LJC makes a rather convincing point.

If your sex life doesn't spice up, do you really want to live the rest of your life like that?

Do you have a reasonable amount of non-sex affection at least?

Introducing some novelty into your sexual activity might help, but you just might not be cut out for exclusive relationships. Problem is, very few women are into "open" relationships.
 

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I've been with my girlfriend for four and a half years . . . she won't get a new place with me unless we are engaged.

The problem is I don't feel ready.
You're never going to be ready.

Am I the only one who notices the obvious here? If you're not feelin' it for this woman by now, then you're not gonna be feelin' it after another 4 and a half decades.

Ah, but if you break up with her, you might have to go months without so much as making out with a woman. And it might be years before finding one of decent quality. So you'll try to pull some "promise ring" B.S., or try to sting her along some other way, until she gets desperate, and pulls one of your used condums out of the garbage . . .

You know EXACTLY what it's going to be like to be married to this chick. You already know what to do. Besides, if you REALLY want to end up with this chick, you can probably come back to her years down the road. Exes will take you back - IF you were the one who dumped her.
 

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I appreciate the replies.

Some questions:

1. A couple of posters basically suggested that if you want to sleep with other women you're not ready for an LTR. But don't ALL guys want to continue to sleep with other women, no matter how good the relationship? I think that it's embedded in our genes.

2. The contention seems to be that after four and a half years I should know whether I want to marry this girl. Well I want to be with this girl but I wouldn't want to be married to anyone at this point. I just don't like the idea of being somebody's husband because a) it makes me feel old and b) the relationship then becomes one of obligation, etc.

3. The s*x issue is the most difficult. People keep saying you need to spice things up. I don't know but it's like I have such affection for her now that there is a bit of a disassociation between her and down and dirty s*x, as though I am too fond of her in a way? Does anybody else have this.

You're right though, late twenties is too early to be in a non-s*xual relationship. I would hope this could be brought back to life but I don't know.
 

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Does she want sex?

I don't know but it's like I have such affection for her now that there is a bit of a disassociation between her and down and dirty s*x, as though I am too fond of her in a way? Does anybody else have this.
I may have had it when I was a young, naive Catholic boy whose attitudes had been poisoned by anti-sexual Catholic philosophy, but not anymore.

In any case, if she wants and enjoys sex, down and dirty sex could be the most wonderful thing you can do for her.
 

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Miles28 said:
1. A couple of posters basically suggested that if you want to sleep with other women you're not ready for an LTR. But don't ALL guys want to continue to sleep with other women, no matter how good the relationship? I think that it's embedded in our genes.

As long as you, and ANY man believes this, he has sold himself into SEXUAL SLAVERY. I, and many of those who serve with me, believe that too many men here blame what's in their "genes" TOO OFTEN when it's really their lack of control over what's in their "JEANS" that's REALLY to blame.

Consider this: There are plenty of things that we men want to do that are NOT in our best interest, but we still wanna do them anyway. And there are plenty of things that we men want to do that may be in our best interest at THIS stage of our lives, but NOT in others.

Looking at the Big Picture will usually tell you what's best for you to do RIGHT NOW. Our sex drive is just ONE aspect of our ENTIRE lives that can be viewed as either beneficial or detrimental----it all depends upon the CONTEXT. We all have the ability to control our actions and even to change our perception of how we view things----but only IF WE CHOOSE TO. All that's required is that we have a strong enough reason WHY.

Here's and example:

You might "WANT" to kick the guy's ass in the 4x4 Truck with all that hunting gear on top of it who just cut you off in traffic. But you usually decide NOT TO, don't you? Why? Well hopefully, it's because you realize that you are a sentient, human being with free will and some self-control.

Or, if THAT'S not the reason, I ASSURE you that the ONLY other reason is because you realize that that guy in that truck is easily TWICE your size, and that he MIGHT actually have a GUN in his lap. So, if you ran your happy-ass up to him with an "attitude", he could probably CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER-----and NOT in a good way. lol

You see, you are NOT your emotions, or your desires, or your urges, or whatever. These things are all just PARTS of you. You only "HAVE" emotions. So when you don't MAN-UP and take control of your goddammed self, guess what? NOW your emotions have YOU. So welcome to the wonderful world of self-inflicted bondage...

The same is true in the area of sex.

ANYTHING that you can't say NO to, is your MASTER. And YOU are it's SLAVE.

It is true that we as men like sex, and are very stimulated by what we see----but if you have chosen your woman wisely in regards to an LTR (i.e.----she is Hot as Hell to YOU), then you should be WILLING and able to acknowledge the "fineness" of other chicks without feeling the overwhelming desire to run over and Fukk them right there in the middle of the street.

So a lot of this "I'm a man, so I can't help myself." bullshyt that you hear on here a lot is usually just the mantra of the sexually immature, the worshippers of sensual PLEASURE, the overly scholastically anal retentive, OR WORSE yet----LTR or married guys who have hidden regrets for the choices that they've made, but still love to live vicariously by posting on internet forums.

But the irony of it all is that they are still trapped in the Matrix, but they don't SEE it. They are trapped in the SEXUAL MATRIX. The societal and cultural programming that has tricked them into believing that fukking women is the primary measurement for their manhood.

Little do they realize that because they have abdicated their will to the rule of PUSSSY, they have now handed over their BALLS to the enemy----(the more consciously MANIPULATIVE women out here----the HORs and the Biitches-----those radical feminists and manhaters who just LOVE to reduce the value of all men down to just their ability to impersonate a DILDO).

Listent up, soldier, your DIICK don't tell YOU what to do. YOU tell your DIICK what to do!

Got it?

A man who can't resist Pusssy is Pusssy Whipped. But a man who KNOWS his true HOLISTIC value, harnesses and utilizes his masculine power to instead "WHIP THAT PUSSSY."

In other words, he knows how to make pusssy a PART of his life, rather than giving pusssy control OVER his life.

My advice to YOU, soldier, is to cut THIS chick loose and go out and meet other ones. And KEEP doing that until you run into one that interrupts your HUNT FOR "PINK" OCTOBER by you noticing her consistent demonstration that she is better suited for you than all the others.

Yes, and until then, don't even CONSIDER a woman for an LTR unless you can honestly look at OTHER hot women and say "Hey, that babe is FINE as fukk-----JUST LIKE "MY" BABE IS!"


March on.
 

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Bravo VU!

I was thinking a lot of the same things, but didn't know how to word them. Sometimes I think men hear so much that their value is measured in terms of the number and caliber of the women they're sleeping with that they don't know how much of it is REAL sexual desire and how much is just brainwashing.

It's hard to tell whether Miles is whipped in his relationship and would be happier out "in the field" or if he's happy in his relationship and wants "the field" because it's what society tells him he's "supposed to do".
 
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Victory Unlimited said:
The same is true in the area of sex.

ANYTHING that you can't say NO to, is your MASTER. And YOU are it's SLAVE.

It is true that we as men like sex, and are very stimulated by what we see----but if you have chosen your woman wisely in regards to an LTR (i.e.----she is Hot as Hell to YOU), then you should be WILLING and able to acknowledge the "fineness" of other chicks without feeling the overwhelming desire to run over and Fukk them right there in the middle of the street.

So a lot of this "I'm a man, so I can't help myself." bullshyt that you hear on here a lot is usually just the mantra of the sexually immature, the worshippers of sensual PLEASURE, the overly scholastically anal retentive, OR WORSE yet----LTR or married guys who have hidden regrets for the choices that they've made, but still love to live vicariously by posting on internet forums.

But the irony of it all is that they are still trapped in the Matrix, but they don't SEE it. They are trapped in the SEXUAL MATRIX. The societal and cultural programming that has tricked them into believing that fukking women is the primary measurement for their manhood.

Little do they realize that because they have abdicated their will to the rule of PUSSSY, they have now handed over their BALLS to the enemy----(the more consciously MANIPULATIVE women out here----the HORs and the Biitches-----those radical feminists and manhaters who just LOVE to reduce the value of all men down to just their ability to impersonate a DILDO).

Listent up, soldier, your DIICK don't tell YOU what to do. YOU tell your DIICK what to do!

Got it?.
The General has spoken!!! As stated….

But the irony of it all is that they are still trapped in the Matrix, but they don't SEE it. They are trapped in the SEXUAL MATRIX. The societal and cultural programming that has tricked them into believing that fukking women is the primary measurement for their manhood

Correctamundo General - (General with a capital “G” – because Generals like big things). This is your commander in chief speaking!! Our manhood is defined at our genetic level and therefore cannot and should not be defined by external forces or external conditions unless we wish it to destroy our manhood, because our manhood was given to us in our genetically designed construct!! Our penis does NOT make us men -- rather, our genetic make-up gives us the physical and mental qualities and capabilities of men, as differentiated from women!!!!

MILES, What is it that you want? Obviously, it is NOT the vagina - since we all know that vaginas have no characteristics that we seek besides accommodating our penis; thus, I urge you to seek the woman that you wish to bear your children and be a good wife to you!!! This fulfillment is the beyond the physical, as you already know, so seek the
un-measurables to the greatest degree!!

As VU stated – you are in control – what do you want?
 
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Guys,

I understand the viewpoint but I don't know. S*x may not be the be all and end all but it is very important and for me at least is a big motivating factor.

The whole thrill of flirting with women, seducing women, seeing women naked for the first time - it's a big thing. It's exciting isn't it?

As for the girl i'm with well yes she is a fantastic girl and would be a great wife. But I just don't like the idea of being tied down, having to answer to somebody else, etc. If i was 40 i would marry without hesitation but i just think being young(ish) is about new experiences, no pressure, etc. One problem is that i haven't been with a huge number of girls so yes, I do feel like i would be missing out.

I don't know, it's all very confusing. I just don't see myself settling with one girl and being so besotted by her that I will never want to sleep other girls.
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Miles28 said:
I don't know, it's all very confusing. I just don't see myself settling with one girl and being so besotted by her that I will never want to sleep other girls.
Then don't marry her. And honestly, if you want to be sleeping with other girls, then go sleep with other girls.

Do what you feel you want to do.
 

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Call her bluff.

She says she won't get a new place unless you are engaged. Tell her thats fine and you are looking forward to living alone.

Never, ever, give in to an ultimatum.

If you don't feel marriage is right for you, you can't allow her to pressure you into it.

If you aren't willing to talk away, that means she has the power.
 

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tell her you arent ready to get married and if you were you would have proposed because thats what a man does when he wants to get married.
 

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Miles28 said:
I know the obvious question is, 'Is she the one for you?' Well I think she is but I still have a real desire for excitement, sleeping with different women and having freedom. On the other hand I love having a companion, someone to come home to, talk to about anything, etc..
That may be the obvious question but it's not the one that you should be asking. You should be considering what things need to be in place for you to want to marry, not just her but anyone. The convenience you have by living with her must not be enough since you still want the bachelor's life. You can't have both with this woman (that's the obvious thing) so you need to identify your priorities, make a choice and execute it. Not making a decision is what's driving you batty.
 

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It sounds like you have a bit of a madonna/***** complex going. If you don't know what it is, look it up.

Effectively though - changing girlfriends will not change this because the problem isn't with her but with you. Becoming a player might give you a feeling of excitement for a short term but this kind of sex is like a drug and eventually it will get boring too (like all drugs). After that you might realise you threw away a really good girl and relationship - and they are hard to find especially as you get older.
 
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