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In some cultures there is no such as a prenup. But if you are living in the states, obviously divorce laws are different so I see it as a necessity. Some girls could try an avoid it claiming it's not part of the "tradition" or some other excuses.

Would you marry a girl if she refused or was disturbed by the idea of a prenup?
 
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The pre-nuptial agreement is a sign of the times - in an age of deceit it is necessary, especially since most women in the USA are corrupt!!!
 
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Dictatorsaurus said:
What if it's a women not from the US but moving to the US eventually?
Haha, the same applies - she will be corrupted soon, if not already!!
 

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Yeah, I couldn't even think about marriage without one. What's so hard about asking for one that you'd need an alternitive?

The first time my girl brought up marriage I let it be known that it's not happening without a prenup. Does it piss them off? YEAH!! But in the end who will even care after it's signed and put away?
 

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You only need a prenup if you are entering the marriage with assets. The money that you earn while married is still considered marital property.
 

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You only need a prenup if you are entering the marriage with assets. The money that you earn while married is still considered marital property.
This is not true. It can all be defined in a Prenup.
 

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fedagent said:
This is not true. It can all be defined in a Prenup.
Yeah, the prenup can explicitly state that the woman agrees that all purchases and money made by the man during the marriage are solely his in the event of a divorce.
 

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My prenup specifically stated that in the event of a divorce if one of our names wasn't on an account, then there would be no claim against it by that individual.

I have several accounts that are only in my name, and thus she had no claim on them. She had similar accounts.

Only a fool thinks that everything should become both of their property and shares all accounts with their hubby.

Married and a couple yes, but people are first and foremost always an individual and should protect themselves as such.

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If shes marring you and she does not live in the US, that is even more reason for you get the prenap. Those women almost never get married because of LOVE or attraction, it is to be in the US, give future to their children, become a US citizen, and money.


Are you an AFC? Have you been with at least 5 women in your life? Are you able to pick up girls?


Prenap is a must. Sh1t could go either way, and when it does she will be equal to you. 50% equal. Thats not cool, and if she says no, that means she wants 50% of you already.
 

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I'm not looking to get married anytime soon. I was just creating a hypothetical scenario. I don't think I would get married without a prenup. If the girl refuses for any reason, then that would be a good sign to walk away.
 

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Hey dictatorsaurus. Qualified girl should ask you for a prenap :D
 

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Bible_Belt said:
You only need a prenup if you are entering the marriage with assets. The money that you earn while married is still considered marital property.

I'm not doing it to protect my current assets, nor my future community assets.

The way I look at it, my ideal prenup is like a charter for marriage.

It gives a set of rules that must be consciously lived by. Failing to live by these rules creates a situation where one person can walk away with a predefined division of assets and of alimony and possibley child custody.

Creative asset protection during the marriage will help make the prenup less fallible.

In the end it comes down to keeping the woman on her toes. If she marries you and the drasticlly changes (and violates the prenup agreement) then you can walk and she gains nothing. This ensures she can't trap you. (i.e. act like the perfect girl BEFORE marriage and then turn into Roseanne after, thinking you're stuck or she'll take you for everything in the divorce.)

I actually saw a story on a couple, several years ago, who structured a binding premarriage contract like this. It including even minute details of marriage life,
including household responsibilitied and a minumum amount of sex.

They say it has kept there marriage great as it prevents BOTH of them from becoming complacent and lazy.
 

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You can write whatever you want in the prenup, but as soon as she gets a divorce lawyer, it all goes out the window. You're kidding yourselves to think that you can enforce an agreement that runs against state law.

Like I said, you don't need a prenup if you don't have assets, and wealth earned during the marriage is pretty much always considered joint property, like it or not.

Come back and argue with me after you get your law degree.


http://www.legalhelpmate.com/prenuptial-agreement-faq.aspx

Who uses prenuptial agreements?

The prenuptial agreement is used largely by individuals who are marrying for the second time and have assets from a previous marriage which they want to preserve for their children from that marriage. The other large category, probably because many people are marrying later for the first time, includes individuals marrying for the first time who have been in the work force for a period of time and have built up assets that they do not want to lose in the event of a divorce. In addition, some individuals may want prenuptial agreements to limit not only the distribution of assets, but also the amount and duration of support that one party can receive from the other.

* High net worth individuals – Persons with considerable cash, stocks, bonds, mutual funds certificates of deposit or other investments.
* Property or business owners - Persons with significant real property such as rental income property, or persons who own sole proprietorships, partnerships, small businesses, corporations or professional associations.
* Professionals - Persons with professional degrees or licenses, because these are considered assets that produce income.
* Investors - Persons with sizeable savings in 401(k) plans, defined benefit retirement plans and profit-sharing plans, or who want to safeguard inheritances and gifts.
* Persons with children of a former marriage - Persons marrying for the second or third time may want to guarantee that most of their assets are passed on to their children of a former marriage in case of divorce or death.

What is considered "separate" assets vs. "marital" assets?

When a couple divorces in some states, each party keeps his or her separate property (so long as it was maintained separately during the marriage and not commingled with marital funds). If the parties have not reached an agreement, the court divides the marital property in the proportion that it deems "just" after considering all relevant factors. If you entered the marriage with a house or investment portfolio or an inheritance, and kept title to those assets separate during the marriage, these assets will be considered your separate assets and not subject to division. HOWEVER, the increase in value in those assets during the marriage, as well as any assets purchased with income from your original assets, will be considered marital property and subject to division upon divorce.

Keep in mind as well, that income contributed during the marriage to a retirement plan (such as a 401(k)) would be considered marital property. Further, the increase in value of your retirement account during the marriage is marital property. Consequently, upon divorce, the court could grant your spouse certain rights to your retirement plan account.
 

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You can write whatever you want in the prenup, but as soon as she gets a divorce lawyer, it all goes out the window. You're kidding yourselves to think that you can enforce an agreement that runs against state law.
Obviously a prenup doesn't trump a State Law. However I wouldn't say everything goes out the window.....in the end a prenup is just a different flavor business contract. Of course if it's too onesided a Judge will throw parts out.

HOWEVER, the increase in value in those assets during the marriage, as well as any assets purchased with income from your original assets, will be considered marital property and subject to division upon divorce.
This would vary from State to State.....and a prenup isn't necessarily useless in this circumstance....

The one true thing you cannot affect with a prenup is a third party such as children, or child support, etc,....

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