Prehistoric hug unearthed

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It is interesting. Kind of eerie though, to wonder how they died. Maybe they froze to death?
 

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When I read this in the New York Times a few days ago I was reminded of that scene in Interview with the vampire where Claudia and her new "Mother" were burned together, The coolest part of that scene was when Brad Pitts' Louis brushed his finger on her shoulder and the ashes began to fall away.
 

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I thought it was pretty damn cool

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I thought it is wonderful, but before I read that they are presumably a man and a woman I thought to myself: "This could be the first ever gay couple!"
 

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The pair from the Neolithic period were discovered outside Mantua, about 40km (25 miles) south of Verona.
Heh... Verona.

Anyway, that's the most tasteful article I've seen about it. Every other article I've seen is spun like mad. "It's so romantic" "Lovers found in eternal embrace." etc, etc.

Sick.

I saw that and didn't see the "romance", I saw the terror and horror of knowing that you are kissing your ass goodbye. That picture belongs in a gallery, with no caption - not romanticized all over the media.

It's sad. The media, that is. What's more sad is that, with the location, media hasn't made the Romeo and Juliet connection yet. You'd think with all the romance spin...

HELLO? Mantua? Verona? Young? Died holding each other?

Retarded-ass media. :rolleyes:
 

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a few years ago i heard that they found another couple somewhere in alaska that were embraced as if they were hugging and froze to death in a cave and they said the skeletons were a few hundred years old. there was a baby skeleton in what would have been her womb.
 

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Freezing would explain the "hugging". But Italy? I don't know how cold it was then.

When I first read the article, there was no "meat and potatoes". There wasn't any of the important info included, just feelgood spin about "Lover's tomb unearthed in Italy". So, I was left to assume that they were yet another Pompeii discovery. Something like a volcanic eruption makes perfect sense.
 

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actually greece is next to italy and in 1646 they had a massive volcano eruption that destroyed at least one whole island or one side of an island , the pressure of the water rushing in from the sea during this caused the effects of what 40 atomic bombs would have. it messed the weather up, it was heard in great distances such as sweeden. in fact, they found ash as far away as iceland or greenland, in which they can now date when the volcano erupted.
http://www.greecefilm.com/facts.htm
this was the most massive volcano eruption that has ever been recorded.
so considering something like this ....

here is a list of all italy's volcano eruptions that date back in bc days.
http://boris.vulcanoetna.com/ETNA_elencold.html
who is to say that the weather didnt change and cause them to freeze to death?


or plain old weather.. here is a listing of tonights weather in italy
http://www.wunderground.com/global/IY.html
look at verona (closest big city to where the hug discovery was made)
its 37 degrees tonight. another city is at 28 degrees which is below freezing.
maybe they just plain old frooze to death?

whatcha think vulpine?
 

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Mmm... It's possible, but not without some crazy catastrophe. Yesterday, the low where I was in Wisconsin was -18 Farenheit. I would say "freezing to death" is an option at that temperature. But 28 degrees? Silly neoliths had to be skinny dipping, streaking afterwards, got disoriented from hypothermia, didn't occur to them to put clothes back on and start a fire, got horney instead, died post-coitus.

Who knows. Scientists will study the soil around them, pull some CSI stuff, and get back to us, I'm sure.
 

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what if their fire burnt out and the temperature was just very very low?
 

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They just "lost the spark" and the woman turned into a "fridgid b!tch" or "ice queen"? Or like, they "lost the spark" and couldn't "rekindle what they once had".

Profound. You must be a woman of science.

Edit..

Oh, like while they were sleeping? Naw, I doubt it. Their electric blanket would have kept them warm fine. Oh wait, yeah - there was a blizzard that knocked out power. You might be onto something.
 

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There we go... there's the Romeo and Juliet spin... it's about time.

VALDARO, Italy (Reuters) - Italy won't split up its Stone Age "lovers."

In a Valentine's Day gift to the country, scientists said they are determined to remove and preserve together the remains of a couple buried 5,000 to 6,000 years ago, their arms still wrapped around each other in an enduring embrace.

Instead of removing the bones one-by-one for reassembly later, archaeologists plan to scoop up the entire section of earth where the couple was buried, they told Reuters.

The plot will then be transported for study before being put on display in an Italian museum, thereby preserving the world's longest known hug for posterity.

"We want to keep can them just as they have been all this time -- together," archaeologist Elena Menotti, who announced the discovery a week ago, told Reuters.

Their removal will be a relief for archaeologists who had to hire extra security to guard the rural site outside the northern city of Mantova after the discovery made world headlines.

STAR-CROSSED LOVERS?

More importantly, it will give scientists a chance to figure out what was has become one of Italian archaeology's greatest mysteries: the first known Neolithic couple to be buried together, hugging.

Was it a sudden death? A ritual sacrifice? Or maybe they were prehistoric, star-crossed lovers who took their own lives.

That is a crowd-pleasing theory in these parts, since Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet was set in nearby Verona.

But scientists acknowledge they still know precious little about the now-famous Stone Age couple, whose embrace has become a subject of world newspaper headlines and chat shows.

Italians dubbed them the "Lovers of Valdaro" after the Mantova suburb of farmland and factories. But even their gender is a open question until scientists confirm the theory that they were a man and a woman.

Archaeologists seem certain the couple died young, since their teeth are intact and that they died during the Stone Age because of an arrowhead and tools found with the remains.

But new evidence indicates the couple were not alone and that the remains may have left been near a Stone Age settlement.

A CULT? DEATH GRIP?

Archaeologists on site showed Reuters photographs of another skeleton found nearby, suggesting the couple were in some sort of prehistoric burial ground.

While the single body was buried East-West, possibly following the daily path of the sun across the sky, the Stone Age couple were buried "the wrong way."

"They were buried North-South, and we don't know why," said archaeologist Daniela Castagna, standing over the grave site.

John Robb, lecturer at Cambridge University and an expert in Neolithic Italian remains, says the trouble with the Stone Age couple is the singularity of the find -- which makes it difficult to explain using known historic data.

He said Neolithic burials are almost always single burials.

"There are a couple of mass burials. There are couple of examples of heads being found under houses. And then, about one burial in every 20 or 30 sites is completely unique," he said.

"And these are probably things that have strange ritual circumstances of one kind or another."

But until scientists get a closer look at the bones, all anyone has are loose theories.

The discovery generated Internet conspiracy theories with some taking a darker interpretation of the hugging skeletons.

One reader on AOL, said it was absurd to assume "this couple is in eternal bliss."

"Maybe it is eternal hatred that had them locked together in a death grip," wrote another reader.

Other people have called for the couple to be left alone -- something that Italian archaeologists say would leave the remains vulnerable to looters, vandals and even bad weather.

There is also a practical reason, the owner of the land hopes to soon build warehouses on it.

"We say rest in peace -- unless you're dead long enough to be interesting," wrote another reader, Jim Noonan.
I like the "keep together in the dirt just as they were found" solution.

"Valentine's Day gift to the country"???? :rolleyes:
 

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sh!t don't blame them for doing something like this.

The media is doing what it does best. This will get readers to look at it and possibly bring tourism into whatever museum and town that it is laid to rest.

I'm still going to laugh my @$$ off if this ends up being two guys that were just trying to stay warm.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

It is just one of those feel-good stories.

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Hey,


Maybe it's not a HUG at all. Just imagine: What if Vince Mcmahon would have discovered it instead. I'm SURE he'd have said:

"What the fukk? Will you guys look at THAT! It's the FIRST, prehistoric WWE signature, FINISHING MOVE!!!!! lol

Somebody let me know when they "dig up" the first, prehistoric XFL Quarterback...okay?:yes:
 

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Victory Unlimited said:
Hey,


Maybe it's not a HUG at all. Just imagine: What if Vince Mcmahon would have discovered it instead. I'm SURE he'd have said:

"What the fukk? Will you guys look at THAT! It's the FIRST, prehistoric WWE signature, FINISHING MOVE!!!!! lol

Somebody let me know when they "dig up" the first, prehistoric XFL Quarterback...okay?:yes:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

If I had found the skeletons first, I would've quickly flipped that girl skeleton over 180 degrees. To support my theory that cavemen, although cursed with noxious deadly sperms, loved dome HELL YEAH
 

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seanchai said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

If I had found the skeletons first, I would've quickly flipped that girl skeleton over 180 degrees. To support my theory that cavemen, although cursed with noxious deadly sperms, loved dome HELL YEAH
No need to go flipping skeletons, seanchai. Your theory is still sound: Dude was getting the first ever "snowball".

:crackup:
 

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Or they could have been sacrificed to a dark god in a night ritual.
 
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