Power in Emotion

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joekerr31 said:
in most places in the world many generations of family share the same living spaces.

its just in the west where we think that detaching yourself from everything equals success.
Most places in the World = Overcrowded homes
Most places in the World = Third World Nations
Most places in the World = non educated (e.g. not even grade school)
Most places in the World = farming and fishing
Most places in the World = hunger
U.S. = most powerfull and richest nation of the world

Where is the correlation?

live at home, dont live at home, who cares to be honest. as long as you are enjoying life or working towards getting to a place where you do enjoy it, then good on ya.
As I said...IMO, if a person is over 30 and still depending of his parents at 30+ (heck 25+)...then he is WAY behind the curve and underdevelop. He has no business trying to find "good" women. At least, not until he gets his stuff together.

there was a movie with matthew mconahey (whoever you spell his last name) on this very topic. it was sort of a funny movie.
Incidentally, the REAL Matthew McConaughey left home (Texas) right after high school (did NOT want to work for his dad's oil pipe supply business) and moved to Australia where he started washing dishes. Then he returned to the U.S. to go to the University of Texas.

We know about his REAL LIFE success.

He was not a man sucking on his dad's t_it and living with dad in his 30s. He was in fact a man that wanted to grow his wings and move out.

There is Holliwood/Television (both of which have gone AFC) and there is Reality.

Now...this is once again...my PERSONAL opinion on this issue.
 

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azanon said:
I think that's a bit of a harsh review of that article. Though certainly nothing was presented that should be fully enlightening, it did provide some unique perspective with supportive reasonigs for why some encounters might not be as much of a threat as some might think, whereas other situations might be more of a threat than realized.
I disagree, not on the premise of what makes for a situation that has a potential for people to cheat, but that these scenarios were presented with the intent to provoke an emotional response not to educate anyone. First of all, they're all so trite and so obvious to anyone reading that they're almost clichés - The Co-Worker, the Friend, etc. have been so overdone that they've become expectations for people. Again, not because they're wrong, but that the guy isn't offering anything new.

Secondly, and perhaps most importantly, he offers no solutions to the problem. In fact, all he offers is fear and suspicion (emotional appeals) from the very first sentence,
"No matter how well your relationship seems to be going, there are always threats circling - But perhaps the most potent threat comes in the form of the enemy invader -- the man or woman who has the power to lure your partner into the tempting and dangerous world of infidelity."
Nowhere does this guy get into the nuts & bolts of infidelity, nowhere does he get to the root causes; all he offers is fear and suspicion and blatant emotional pandering. For anyone to "cheat" there must be 2 factors present, opportunity and a reason. He'll harp away on the situational aspects - the opportunity - because it's easier and more salacious. It's ground into our pop-culture heads by the likes of Dr.Phil while it triggers that wonderful chemical rush that accompany emotional reactions like jealousy, betrayal and suspicion.

This is easy, what's hard is confronting the painful truth of the reasons why people cheat. This is the ugly, introspective aspect of why we cheated or were cheated on. The harsh truth is that it takes a lot more than convenient opportunity to prompt one to consider infidelity. When a man isn't getting sex at home, he's going to get it from somewhere. If a woman isn't having her security needs met by her husband, her co-worker might be able to fill that need. It's the root deficit of some core need, desire or something we had once that we no longer do or recieve that gives us reason to consider and/or engage in infidelity. But, that doesn't sell books, or magazine articles or get you on Oprah, no, for that you need to pander to the emotional. In fact, the truth will make you more contemptable, but it's the first step in coming to terms with infidelity.

This article isn't self-help, it's emotional bubble gum that loses it's flavor quickly, and then we pop another piece in our mouth.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
This article isn't self-help, it's emotional bubble gum that loses it's flavor quickly, and then we pop another piece in our mouth.
Exactly. And the guy is promoting the "external blame" game.

"Oh, it couldn't possibly be anyone's fault but the 'cheater's' for cheating... here's what to look for:"

If this were actually a good article, it should be prefaced with:

"Here are the reasons people are driven to cheat: You got fat, you got b!tchy, you don't put out, you just lay there like a potato, you stopped showering, you don't care about anyone but yourself anymore, etc."

Then get into the "since you drove the other to cheat, here's where to expect it happening", thus promoting self-help. Cause and effect: fix the cause, and you won't to watch for an effect.
 

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Vulpine said:
Exactly. And the guy is promoting the "external blame" game.

"Oh, it couldn't possibly be anyone's fault but the 'cheater's' for cheating... here's what to look for:"

If this were actually a good article, it should be prefaced with:

"Here are the reasons people are driven to cheat: You got fat, you got b!tchy, you don't put out, you just lay there like a potato, you stopped showering, you don't care about anyone but yourself anymore, etc."

Then get into the "since you drove the other to cheat, here's where to expect it happening", thus promoting self-help. Cause and effect: fix the cause, and you won't to watch for an effect.

Great thread! I'll add that I'm a firm believer of the "it's your own fault" mentality. If your woman cheats on you, it's your fault. If you get laid off from your job, it's your fault. H3ll, if you are walking down the street get beat up and mugged, it's your fault.

While these things might technically not be any fault of your own, bad things happen sometimes, it FORCES you to take ownership. By taking ownership, you do not sit and wallow and place the blame elsewhere. You take control over your life. You are forced to acknowledge your situation and take action to better it.

Just as you said, this article is no help at all. It sidesteps the issue, makes you the "victim", and places the blame elsewhere.
 
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