Pook's Mill = Friend's Zone

[DoubleBarrel]

I've read most of Pook's articles and found them very inspirational like "Be a Man" and "Secret of the Jerk". Now I've recently been reading his blog and when I read it, I feel like I'm listening to a chick complain about her boy problems.

Just by reading it I feel like I used to when the girls I was interested in would talk about her jerky boyfriend. She'd b!tch about how bad men where and how they'd use her, etc. Now, I can see why this lead to getting into the Friend's Zone.

I get the feeling this is what Pook is up to these days. Why did Pook turn into a wussy? He used to have such a good message. Now all he does is b!tch about how bad women are instead of discussing good things.

I know it's good to know that women try to manipulate and everything. I mean, but everyone does that to you in life not just women.

I think we should be aware of these things but shouldn't the focus be on ourselves? Choosing to react to manipulation so it doesn't effect us instead of whining about it? Shouldn't it be more like 20% discussion on manipulation and 80% on DEALING with it?

What do you guys think?

 

[SnowBlind77]

i hate you. shut up.

 

[the_great_gaia]

wow, i never heard someone talk of Pook in that way. (interesting)

 

[KontrollerX]

I don't think he's turned into a wuss or anything bad at all.

The guy just writes about what currently fascinates him or what helps him and only shares his writings because someone else may get something out of it.

He pretty much explained this in a post by that mod Caesare Cardinalli about how people need to stop trying to psychoanalyze him saying he's become this or that.

 

[SkillzthatKillz]

I have just seen a bit of his blog and I agree with the original poster, he seems to WAY OVER THINK THINGS! Besides B/C about women.....whats up with this guy now? I saw him as a nerd that changed his life, like me, now I just see him as a nerd again, after seeing that,lol.

 

[Obsidian]

Blasphemy, the Great One is never wrong.

Even though I don't think he intends it, his blog actually helps me deal with women (in the dating sense). Once you read Pook's blog, you realize that women should pretty much NEVER be put on a pedastal, especially if you don't know them well. Beauty is certainly not a good measure of quality on its own, and you should never do something for a woman just because she is good-looking. Never let yourself be manipulated by the matriarchy.

And your analogy is completely inaccurate. Reading Pook's Mill is not like listening to someone complain about relationship problems at all -- Because Pook openly condemns most relationships, and he is (I assume) currently single. He doesn't ALLOW himself to enter a bad relationship. As he once wrote in the Holy Book of Pook -- It is better to be single than to be in an unhappy marriage or a bad relationship!

The disciples said to Jesus, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."
Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given."

Better to live in a desert
than with a quarrelsome and ill-tempered wife.

If you're looking for a real relationship -- as many guys on sosuave are -- never settle. You'll regret it. Pook has long-since grown out of the hor-pursuing stage and become a real man. Don't mistake being a non-PUA for being a wuss. In many ways, it's the player or boy-toy who is the weaker man. Pook is tired of letting his life be manipulated by the weaker sex. Outside of the matriarchy, men have such potential. (And in most relationships, a real man can actually make a woman happier.)

There are strong parallels between Anti-Dump, the Book of Pook, Pook's Mill, the Natural Order of Things, etc.

 

[Interceptor]

Blasphemy, the Great One is never wrong.

Even though I don't think he intends it, his blog actually helps me deal with women (in the dating sense). Once you read Pook's blog, you realize that women should pretty much NEVER be put on a pedastal, especially if you don't know them well. Beauty is certainly not a good measure of quality on its own, and you should never do something for a woman just because she is good-looking. Never let yourself be manipulated by the matriarchy.

And your analogy is completely inaccurate. Reading Pook's Mill is not like listening to someone complain about relationship problems at all -- Because Pook openly condemns most relationships, and he is (I assume) currently single. He doesn't ALLOW himself to enter a bad relationship. As he once wrote in the Holy Book of Pook -- It is better to be single than to be in an unhappy marriage or a bad relationship!





If you're looking for a real relationship -- as many guys on sosuave are -- never settle. You'll regret it. Pook has long-since grown out of the hor-pursuing stage and become a real man. Don't mistake being a non-PUA for being a wuss. In many ways, it's the player or boy-toy who is the weaker man. Pook is tired of letting his life be manipulated by the weaker sex. Outside of the matriarchy, men have such potential. (And in most relationships, a real man can actually make a woman happier.)

There are strong parallels between Anti-Dump, the Book of Pook, Pook's Mill, the Natural Order of Things, etc.

:rockon:

 

[DoubleBarrel]

I don't think he's turned into a wuss or anything bad at all.

The guy just writes about what currently fascinates him or what helps him and only shares his writings because someone else may get something out of it.

He pretty much explained this in a post by that mod Caesare Cardinalli about how people need to stop trying to psychoanalyze him saying he's become this or that.

First, who said being a wuss was 'bad'? It doesn't get us what we want in life, but does that make it 'bad'? Second, what or who is a wuss, really? A guy who can't get women? A guy who buys flowers and writes poetry? A guy who doesn't care about sports or weight-lifting?

What?

No. I think the essence is irresponsibility. The trademark of irresponsible people is that they blame others for their problems and condemn others for being who they are -- simply because that person isn't fulfilling the role in their life the way they want that person to.

No matter how well-thought out or intelligent it can appear to be and how many logical reasons or justifications we organize doesn't change the fact that it's still fueled by resentment.

For example, we can have all the reason why and how our employers 'use' us. We can complain about working to make someone else rich. We can claim the benefits they offer is just a bribe to keep us there. We can create unions and start protests to defend our 'rights'. What's the result? Wasted energy. Or we can save ourselves that wasted effort and put it somewhere else by looking for alternatives. We can start our business and 'transcend' the whole system itself by creating our own.

I think it's the same with women. Marriage is their business. But if we quit that 'job', then we're free to create our own dating life where numerous women fit into OUR system instead. And like a business owner, some employees fit while others don't. But so what? We keep the ones that work, and let the one's that don't go.

And who said anything about psycho-analyzing Pook? Isn't there are huge difference between psycho-analyzing and make a strong judgment of character by observing the symptoms of fear someone emits?

I've always considered it extremely important to make a clear evaluation of everyone's character that I take advice from, for we'll take on the same world as the person whose advice we take.

Sure, the information is first. But, at times, the character underneath it is just as important.

For what if their advice is actually leading us down a dark path? Then what? And with someone who has a history of great advice, doesn't it become difficult to notice when a change takes place because we're susceptible to being blinded by their past credibility?

People are but a reflection of our own attitudes. I think Pook has even talked about this law before. So what does that say of a person who sees women as manipulators? Hmmm.

Go to women with an angry attitude and women will respond with resentment. Then we encourage ourselves to see women as angry. But just maybe it was us who caused that response?

Think about it. Let's say I go up to a stranger and punch him in the face. The instinct is for that person to retaliate. Maybe we'll become sworn enemies from then on. But if I approach the same stranger with a smile and "hi", how do they respond? Openly. And who's to say that we won't even end up life-long friends.

Two very different perceptions of the same person. But guess what? I was responsible for how they responded to me BY the approach I used.

Sure, this is an extreme example, but it's the same principle underneath all relationships in life, including women. We are 100% responsible for how women treat us, NOT them. Our attitude towards them determines how they'll respond to us.

Guys who have an attitude that women are the enemy and are evil manipulators will draw out the dark side of women... just as punching a stranger in the face will draw out animosity.

I think the enemy is fear. Fear is always the motivator for manipulation. Women have fears, just like we do. Yet there are few people who ever master their fears in life... a VERY select few!

So why should we blame someone else for not mastering their fears? That's their business, not ours. Our business is in NOT letting others fears affect us!

That should be the focus.

If Pook were smart (because we all know he's intelligent as hell), he'd focus on identifying specifically how women manipulate (along with everyone else -- for we all use the same manipulation methods fueled by our fears) while keeping it minimal -- THEN expand on HOW TO communicate it won't affect us.

Or maybe that's just my focus when it comes to women -- and life.

But one thing I'm sure of is that there is a huge difference between being smart and intelligent. Smart is a CHOICE.

Smart is choosing to make our own choices, which means we don't allows others to make them for us.

This means first not blaming anyone else for how WE choose to respond to them -- regardless of how 'bad' or 'wrong' their actions were, for that's their decision, not ours. Second, it means learning to respond to the situation other people create around us with their behavior from WITHIN our thinking more effectively. And third, learning to communicate to others that they can't and won't make our choices for us.

For what's the reason men become angry at women? Women making their choices for them! But we always have the power to stop others from making our choices for us, even if we don't exercise it. Why would or should we allow women be exempt from honoring this power?

It IS still within us all!

Angry men who see women as the enemy haven't learned to tap into that power yet. Instead, they repress it. Then make excuses or blame women for their feelings of powerlessness.

I think that is the key! Learning to set it free. And that's what all discussions concerning women and manipulation should revolve around -- assuming you want to keep your joy. Talking about how women use men WITHOUT focusing on the REAL problem of dealing with it will only lead to anger, which will repel any sort of healthy relationships with the women that do come into our lives.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to have a healthy relationship with a woman who you don't accept for who she is.

So to those who read Pook's Mill, I ask you: Is his blog helping you accept women for who they are... or giving you all the reasons to despise and reject them? Worth consider, non?

 

[Last Man Standing]

A man's acceptance or rejection of a woman is not based on other people's view of women - it is based on her actions/behavior and whether we as men accept or reject such action!!! It is an individual's choice!! Most, the overwhelming majority of American men embrace the modern day hor, so does that mean it is wrong for the few men who seek her femininity, which is closely tied to her virginal state?

 

[xdreamz]

yea i never really agreed with everything Pook had said but he has some inspirational style of writing that enlightens as water to the thirsty hunt for knowledge.

i say learn not to let them manipulate you, but use whatever you can to manipulate them (in a respectful way)

 

[Luscious]

I've never really bought what he's selling.

 

[swifTy]

Guys who have an attitude that women are the enemy and are evil manipulators will draw out the dark side of women... just as punching a stranger in the face will draw out animosity.

MAYBE...but you gotta admit that that dark side is pretty fukkin big :rockon:

I'm quite an avid reader of Pooks Mill and I think the picture he paints is pretty bleak. But perhaps that is how it is. Granted, I believe that the perception with which you view the world is ultimately how it is. Your perception is the final lens and is the all-deciding filter which determines how things are FOR YOU in your life/world. The lens you could say, will reflect whatever it is you shine on it, so in that respect I understand where your coming from. But if you sit down, look at the facts, and consider it, as Pook does, its just not a pretty picture.

I imagine Pook probably doesn't have much to do with women these days. I bet he just keeps his head down and doesn't give them the time of day. He's way past chasing women and all that. If he wanted a root then Im sure hed go and get one- and with ease- but aside from that sees women, most women, as just nothing. And like me, he probably wishes that they could be something, oh how that would be nice, but its just not the case. Or i could just be talking sh!t. Either way, i thank Pook for the enhanced awareness that he has given me. The more i read, the more aware I become. Heck, if it weren't for Pooks Mill and similar Mens sites I'd still be thinking women were angels. Angels they ain't. As long as my awareness is growin its all good and i will keep reading.

 

[Victory Unlimited]

Yo DoubleBarrel,


Great Post, man.

Clearly you have a grasp on the dangers that we men face as we "tiptoe" around the edge of the differences between protecting ourselves from becoming victims to women, OR becoming the VICTIMIZERS "of" them.

Sometimes, it really is a slippery slope----this treacherous road that we must travel as we head FROM "sucker-hood" to MANhood. And at the bottom of that steep embankment is something called MYSOGONY.

And there is a darkness THERE that's not very easy to climb out of. I personally DON'T want to go there...so I'm with ya' soldier!

You can fight side by side with me ANYDAY, my friend.

March on.

 

[Obsidian]

I do think Pook's blog (by itself) portrays a rather negative image of women. But at the same time, POOK IS NOT LYING. All the stuff he writes is actually true. Furthermore, when you combine it with the rest of his inspired message -- the Book of Pook and Anti-Dump's Machine -- Pook's Mill allows for a very complete picture.

I don't know how pessimistic Pook has allowed himself to become. Much of his writing is still cheery and fun. If he has allowed himself to become pessimistic, tho, I suspect he could remedy the situation with some simple steps:

1. Only pursue non-hors
2. Utilize Anti-Dump's machine
3. Maybe date religious girls (altho i'm not sure how religious Pook is)
4. Get married with a solid pre-nupt and continue to be a man during the marriage

At one time, men had the legal authority to command their wives' obedience. Things are different now, but I really don't think the lack of government power is the main culprit in allowing women to run amock in marriage. You could have your wife punished in the 1700s for disobeying you, but how often did that really happen? Instinctively, real women know to be submissive. And if they love you and you act as a real man, they will usually obey.

And as far as divorce goes, the legalities of it are all screwed up now. Even following my steps, it could theoretically still occur. But while prenuptial agreements can be overturned by courts, they usually hold a good deal of weight if done properly. If you marry a good woman whom you have qualified properly, you minimize the chances of divorce. And if you get a good prenupt, you minimize the chances of being raped by the government if divorce occurs.

Of course, Pook may already have this in mind and be planning it all out as we speak. Who am I to doubt the Great One? I think he just writes about how lame women are because it interests him, not because he's a bitter man.

 

[Rata Blanca]

Do any of you actually read the first post in his blog?
His blog is about fighting feminism and MGTOW.
He posts about diferents topics from time to time (like seduction, business, history) So it doesn't become in a completely depresing blog.

 

[DoubleBarrel]

I do think Pook's blog (by itself) portrays a rather negative image of women. But at the same time, POOK IS NOT LYING. All the stuff he writes is actually true. Furthermore, when you combine it with the rest of his inspired message -- the Book of Pook and Anti-Dump's Machine -- Pook's Mill allows for a very complete picture.

There is only a negative image of Woman (or anything else for that matter) in the mind of the man who has not yet claimed his reality as his own and shaped it to fit his own purpose, with integrity as its foundation.

If a man sees Woman as negative, he is not yet the authority on nor the orchestrator of his experience.

Instead, he is still letting women's chaotic realities breach his fortitude. This chaos is not 'bad' or 'wrong'. It just is. It is feminine. But, oh, how that chaos evaporates when a woman is welcomed into the reality of the man who has learned to harness his Masculine Power, for that power emits a contagious calm.

Its influence transcends the perception of the five senses and enters the minds of all who come into contact with it.

And so it is...

A feminist Nice Guy sees goddess-like purity in Woman. A machoist Jerk sees vindictive evil in Woman. But unto him who has stuck the flag of Masculine Power into the ground of his reality, sees Woman only as Receptivity.

Let me point out that the awareness of this power -- which lays dormant within all us men -- has now transferred and made contact with your mind. And it will seek expression, should you choose to listen for signals it sends you.

Of course, Pook may already have this in mind and be planning it all out as we speak. Who am I to doubt the Great One? I think he just writes about how lame women are because it interests him, not because he's a bitter man.

Let it be understood what makes one great…

Would I be great if I criticized women and mocked them, posting videos and pointing out their faults or how dumb they are -- just because I still had issues with a domineering mother? Would I be great if I felt the urge to constantly tell you how many and how much women dug me? Would I be great if I claimed others guys weren't men just because they didn't have the desire to excel the way I did? And would I be great if I had the tendency to continually give you explanations for why I behaved the way I did?

Would that make me great -- or just reveal how conceited and insecure I was?

For if that is the definition of greatness, let me be mediocre! At least then I would see my fellow men as equals and stand beside them -- instead of implying their inferiority as I expend all my energy sticking my neck out trying to get ahead of them.

And for what? To prove I'm better?

I say, cursed is the man who walks alone with only pride for his company!

There is something to be said of the symptoms of the fear of criticism, not much unlike other fears: why justify fear when one only has but to embrace courage and humility, thus wiping the antagonism and inferiority complex from the Soul?

Do any of you actually read the first post in his blog?
His blog is about fighting feminism and MGTOW.
He posts about diferents topics from time to time (like seduction, business, history) So it doesn't become in a completely depresing blog.

If I told you I was a 69 foot pink frog, would you believe me just because I said so? And even if I'd explain to you, perhaps weaving literary works into my explanation, that there was something wrong with your eyes and that was the reason why you could not see my lovely pink leathery skin or my gigantic height, would you then see it?

 

[Technical1]

Maybe Pook has lost it, maybe he hasn't. I much prefer his SoSuave writings, they have a different air to them if you ask me.

The point is you are trying to see into the head of someone who:

1) Always wrote in a very stylized rhetorical fashion
2) Was advanced to such a high state of DJism that his point of view is difficult for others to appreciate sometimes
3) Was probably a real genius in the strict IQ-defined sense of IQ above 150.

It's difficult to "see through" or understand a person more complex and developed than yourself. Pook understands Pook, a few people in his league or those who know him personally understand him too, and the rest of us have "glimpses" of understanding and know his message to us. It may be that the man was so unique and disclosed his message in such a stylized way that understanding him purely through the medium of the internet is impossible. His message did come across though, that is what we have of him.

 

[KontrollerX]

The way I see it is...

Pook gave us the gold with his teachings here on Sosuave of how to be successful with women.

This was in his own words advice he was writing to himself but shared with us so that perhaps we could get something out of it.

He also saved a lot of the poster Anti Dump's posts before his derelict account and posts fell into obscurity or got deleted and then gave many teachings on these posts while having the relevant parts posted in his topic to talk about them.

So there it is the cheerful, happy, fun, seductive, go get em, remake yourself completely, teachings on Sosuave.

Then he moved to his blog and started a new chapter in his writing life about combatting feminism and supporting the men's rights movement.

Its the same guy from Sosuave but he's simply in a different mode of teaching right now in the present.

He's given us all we need to succeed right here in the DJ Bible's "Book of Pook" section.

He's moved on from teaching us that advice to teaching and sharing his thoughts on something else thats related but quite a bit different at the same time.

Posters that find problems with him currently are thinking he should still be posting the same messages he's already given us but in reality he's given us quite enough already and we should be greatful for that and support him in his new writing endeavors.

So the problems with him posters find stem from misunderstanding of where Pook currently is at in his life as far as message goes.

Realize he's finished his chapter of Sosuave writings hence the beginning of the book of Pook and its end and realize he's started a new book and a new chapter in his life with his blog and you won't be so saddened and confused that he's not posting like he used to do here with that same message simply packaged differently.

 

[comic_relief]

Pook had one of the most profound effects on my teenage years of 16 - 19.

Now, that I have begun reading Nietzsche, Pook's influence is beginning to wane. I see his posts as juvenile this far along in my development because they have become such an inseparable part of me that I cannot conceive myself without the Pook thoughts.

To tell everyone the truth I have not read Pook's posts in almost a year.

I have not managed to read his blog and nor do I care to read it.

I believe that I did a little too much reading before I went to college and not enough living life. I am finally getting a handle upon that.

comic_relief

 

[Birdem]

Some of you guys are funny. He turned into a wuss lol, if he turned into a wuss that says alot about you for taking his advice. I think he gave the best advice on this whole site.