Please Stop Texting!

[ImaBeech]

This is a public announcement to all you wanna be players PUA's. Please stop texting. Pick up the gosh darn phone and say something interesting. Stop sending your half a** nudey pics because they will be posted in on the WWW. While she may or may not enjoy them, it does put you, male gigolo, on the low quality man list. Perhaps player and possible f* but not relationship they want to be faithful to or even return a second time for, unless you are her only choice. Or unless she herself is the same kind of quality....

She only texts you because she is waiting for you to make the move to call. Don't take it as she likes texting. I see guys wasting too much time texting and never sealing the god damn deal. Make a woman friend, she will tell you.

Here's a real easy formula. She gives you her number, call, make her laugh ask for a date. It ain't rocket science. Stop saying stupid ****, like using words like "my ****", "your vagina" or "sex with the ex". Don't ever say "next time you can treat." She ain't gonna call.

Stop giving excessively long first date stalker hugs, wanna be kisses, and any hand holding bs. They know you want to bang her. Do something different. An accidental touch is fine. Keep her yearning in the mystery. If she invites you, pat yourself on the back. If not, let three days pass, call, schedule the second date. If you miss this step, you're going to the end of the line. If you said anything stupid or anything that resembles a PUA, she will back away.

This meet me for a date today is also BS. It shows your rude and impatient. And probably rude and impatient in bed, one minute man.

Some girls like flakes. Some will can you. What women do with flakes, is that she will passively pretend everything is ok, while she lines men up to pick from. If she is lining anyone up, it is your fault for not being different.

A woman on rebound doesn't have any standards. If you find such a rare gem, don't hope for seconds. The last guy messes **** up for everyone.

 

[Maximus Rex]

Co-sign this most powerful of posts, y'all have got to stop texting these chicks. Grow a pair and have actual phone conversations that led to dates.

 

[TheCWord]

This might be a generational thing (I notice Max is 41, not sure about OP), but I'm 29 and find that girls in their mid to late twenties simply do not use their phone to make or receive calls. It's no sht test, this is just preferred form of communication and I think a phone call is viewed as too aggressive these days, especially if you just met.

Before I accepted this I would call and get a lot of voicemails, but text convos would be initiated or accepted afterwards (I notice a lot of field reports on SS go this way too). I think girls clam up and don't know what to say if a guy asks them out over the phone (unless it's a definite, 100% Brad Pitt yes!), so they prefer to just not be put in that situation.

This is just me musing, not the bible. I do think it's an age thing that goes like this:

Girl in Late 30s/40s: Why won't this guy just pick up the phone and call me? He has no balls.

Girl in 20s: Why is this guy calling me? Creeperrrrrr....

 

[Darth]

When did "creeper" even become a word? What a ridiculous word.

 

[Maximus Rex]

This might be a generational thing (I notice Max is 41, not sure about OP), but I'm 29 and find that girls in their mid to late twenties simply do not use their phone to make or receive calls. It's no sht test, this is just preferred form of communication and I think a phone call is viewed as too aggressive these days, especially if you just met.

Before I accepted this I would call and get a lot of voicemails, but text convos would be initiated or accepted afterwards (I notice a lot of field reports on SS go this way too). I think girls clam up and don't know what to say if a guy asks them out over the phone (unless it's a definite, 100% Brad Pitt yes!), so they prefer to just not be put in that situation.

This is just me musing, not the bible. I do think it's an age thing that goes like this:

Girl in Late 30s/40s: Why won't this guy just pick up the phone and call me? He has no balls.

Girl in 20s: Why is this guy calling me? Creeperrrrrr....

I understand what you're saying, but it all goes about to the "Celebrity Maxim," if Ryan Gosling calls a board and he want to "conversate," on the phone, she's going to talk that muthaf*cka's ear off. I said that to say this, it all goes back to initial sarge, if you've escalated properly, flipped all of the attraction switches, she's going to WANT to speak to you when you call. Guys, it called setting the proper precedents and controlling the frame.

 

[TheCWord]

Right, I see what you're saying. I suppose my preference is also to text. I'm generally very busy with never enough time in the day, so being able to exchange 5 max texts at my and her leisure to get the date is really convenient.

 

[PlayHer Man]

Sorry OP but you seem to advocate pandering and kissing female ass. That is not what SoSuave is about.

Being a DJ is about being sexy and valuable enough to make women work around YOUR needs.

A man should do whatever the f*ck he wants. I advocate TEXTING until you've made physical contact. No action.. no calls.

Calling because its "What the woman wants" is retarded. Women get what they want from pandering beta faggots all the time. Calling won't make her p*ssy wet.. it will just give her more power and comfort. What good does that do YOU?

Text, Text, Text!! :yes:

 

[TheException]

Please stop texting. Pick up the gosh darn phone and say something interesting.

Calling on the phone is practically dead. Texting is the new age game and there are wayyyy toooo many advantages to not utilize it. Women my age(college) simply wont pick up the phone. Practically 100% it goes to voicemail and she will TEXT you back, not call.

I see guys wasting too much time texting and never sealing the god damn deal.

This is the problem^

Rather than making the conversation texting vs phone calling....it should be about how to use the phone properly. It is not used to chit chat and text night and day. Its used to set meetups. Im against any guy that sends more than a handful of texts to a chick at a time. Whenever a plate of mine texts me, Ill turn the conversation into setting up a date as soon as possible.

 

[Pimp-sicle]

I understand what you're saying, but it all goes about to the "Celebrity Maxim," if Ryan Gosling calls a board and he want to "conversate," on the phone, she's going to talk that muta****a's ear off.

I keep seeing you use this reasoning in different threads and honestly its pretty lame. What you might not realize or maybe are forgetting is how interest level works.

Every girl you approach WILL NOT have sky high interest level in you right off the bat, while others will. Celebrities are in a different category because of their status. And even if you want to run with that, the girl's interest level isn't HIGH because she genuinely likes the celebrity, she wants to brag about it to her friends - she wants to feel important.

In my opinion its weak game to ONLY go after the girls that show high interest off the bat or tons of IOI's, fuvk that. Go after the girls YOU want.

With this is in mind, understand that MOST women who are in the 18-30(ish) range will only text you at that point. You might have a girl who won't answer her phone, but text you and still agree to see you for the first week or two. Then as her interest level increases, you will see her actions change.

She will start initiating more, she will WANT to talk to you on the phone etc.

I said that to say this, it all goes back to initial sarge, if you've escalated properly, flipped all of the attraction switches, she's going to WANT to speak to you when you call. Guys, it called setting the proper precedents and controlling the frame.

Definitely agree with what your saying here, but I will say that nobody's game is ON 24/7. In other words, your going to have approaches that are average or okay compared to others. Your going to have girls that barely show you any IOI's. That doesn't mean you can't get these girls, without sacrificing your self respect.
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To the OP, telling everyone to stop texting, and call instead is just flat out bad advice. Its not about adapting to the woman or her rules, its about understanding how the game works today.

Texting gets a bad wrap from some guys on this board because some of the newbies get caught up in marathon sessions with girls that make them look pathetic, weak and boring. Use it properly and it not only works, but it works quiet well.

Edit: Reps to PlayHer & Exception.... agree with them 100%

Edit: Must spread reputation b4 repping PlayHer again! lol - nice post bro





PIMP

 

[Iceberg]

Co-sign this most powerful of posts, y'all have got to stop texting these chicks. Grow a pair and have actual phone conversations that led to dates.

10 years ago, I was saying the same thing. But it's just not the world we live in anymore.

Frankly, at this stage, calls are annoying. And hell, I even get pissed off if I get a voicemail. It's like damn, now I gotta go through all these prompts to check a voicemail that just tells me that you called and that I should call you back.

Anyway, yeah...random phone calls are out. If I call you, it'd better be important. I'm sure 100 years ago, people were saying, "Telephone calls?! Grow a pair and write a love letter!"

 

[DonGorgon]

lol most females are to busy hoing to answer the phone.. texting is what they like.. you call and they will ignore the call just like they will ignore a text

 

[Decoy]

1) Introduction text
2) Call to set up the date

If a chick has interest in you, she wouldn't care if you call or text. I use that as an indicator to progress further. If she doesn't answer and doesn't reply via text/call, she is dropped. No questions.

The advantage of calling for a date is you build some rapport with her. Think of it as a telemarketing call, you position yourself and get her engaged before you can even think about setting up the appointment. You can absolutely gauge her interest when you ask for the date. You hammer out any scheduling issues on the spot. I've experienced less flakes when setting up the date via call, rather than text.

After the first date, it's strictly texting.

 

[Zarky]

Being anti-texting is soooo 2004. These days texting is where it's at.

OP, why don't you get some posts under your belt or at least say what experience you have (without exaggerating) before you start spouting opinions.

I always tell guys under 30 to read more, opine less.

 

[instantnoodles]

This might be a generational thing (I notice Max is 41, not sure about OP), but I'm 29 and find that girls in their mid to late twenties simply do not use their phone to make or receive calls. It's no sht test, this is just preferred form of communication and I think a phone call is viewed as too aggressive these days, especially if you just met.

Before I accepted this I would call and get a lot of voicemails, but text convos would be initiated or accepted afterwards (I notice a lot of field reports on SS go this way too). I think girls clam up and don't know what to say if a guy asks them out over the phone (unless it's a definite, 100% Brad Pitt yes!), so they prefer to just not be put in that situation.

This is just me musing, not the bible. I do think it's an age thing that goes like this:

Girl in Late 30s/40s: Why won't this guy just pick up the phone and call me? He has no balls.

Girl in 20s: Why is this guy calling me? Creeperrrrrr....

I guess I'm a young person with a 30s/40s soul who likes the classic communication. It's so nice to see in those movies when a guy picks up a telegram and calls his girl.

10 years ago, I was saying the same thing. But it's just not the world we live in anymore.

Frankly, at this stage, calls are annoying. And hell, I even get pissed off if I get a voicemail. It's like damn, now I gotta go through all these prompts to check a voicemail that just tells me that you called and that I should call you back.

Anyway, yeah...random phone calls are out. If I call you, it'd better be important. I'm sure 100 years ago, people were saying, "Telephone calls?! Grow a pair and write a love letter!"

Finally someone that sees texting as a chicken-sh1t tool

 

[PlayHer Man]

Finally someone that sees texting as a chicken-sh1t tool

Coming from a FEMALE this doesn't carry much weight.

Women will always advise men to do what benefits WOMEN.. not what benefits themselves. Calling allows the woman to have more loopholes to manipulate. Its easier to justify ignoring a call than a text.

We know women are on their phones texting almost 24/7. Sooooo.. if she ignores your text its clearly INTENTIONAL. :yes:

 

[instantnoodles]

Coming from a FEMALE this doesn't carry much weight.

Women will always advise men to do what benefits WOMEN.. not what benefits themselves. Calling allows the woman to have more loopholes to manipulate. Its easier to justify ignoring a call than a text.

We know women are on their phones texting almost 24/7. Sooooo.. if she ignores your text its clearly INTENTIONAL. :yes:

Yes I'm a female.

I don't even text a lot so no 24/7 texting would give me a headache. It's ridiculous to text that much unless it concerns important people in my life; i.e "family members, Significant Other". Anyone else, I immediately ignore. But yes actually most females are addicted to their phones.

However, some guys, when they are faced with a dilemma, prefer to text as a means to hide away from the situation in some way - even try to avoid directly 'confronting' the person. They find "talking on the phone" too direct in cases like this.

Maybe you see it as a way to manipulate as that seems to be your view, in the tunnel. Yes it is easier to ignore a call. However I like to hear the guy's voice. More real and I melt... I blush

 

[PlayHer Man]

Yes I'm a female.

I don't even text a lot so no 24/7 texting would give me a headache. It's ridiculous to text that much unless it concerns important people in my life; i.e "family members, Significant Other". Anyone else, I immediately ignore. But yes actually most females are addicted to their phones.

However, some guys, when they are faced with a dilemma, prefer to text as a means to hide away from the situation in some way - even try to avoid directly 'confronting' the person. They find "talking on the phone" too direct in cases like this.

Maybe you see it as a way to manipulate as that seems to be your view, in the tunnel. Yes it is easier to ignore a call. However I like to hear the guy's voice. More real and I melt

I guess we'll never date then because I ain't calling your ass.

Women either go along with my ways.. or I don't date them. End of story.

 

[Slickster]

Whenever I see a guy madly texting back and forth with a chick it looks like the most "girlie" thing ever. I work with a ton of young twenty somethings and I see this all the time. It's embarrassing. With SO many chicks glued to their phones, texting has just become a feminine thing to me. When I see dudes texting too much with chicks it makes me cringe.

In my personal experiences I've had great success with chicks answering my calls. I know its due to creating a good amount of interest before I ask for her number. In fact if I don't feel like I've raised her interest level enough during our initial meeting I don't even bother asking for her number. What is the point getting the number of a low interest chick and then trying to game her via text? It's like trying to type on a keyboard wearing gloves or bust a nut while wearing 3 condoms. You are way too limited and probably wasting your time. If a chick you met won't answer your call that is a very good tell of whether you should spend any time on her at all.

I know that seduction-wise if I can get a chick on the phone my chances are way better than communicating via text. I'll text if it is appropriate but I much prefer a real conversation.

I think the point that the OP is trying to make is that way too many guys use texting as a crutch. From what I see I have to agree.

Here is a great little blurb from Rollo Tomassi on the subject:

Texting, IM, email, and long phone calls are all Buffers when they become preferred substitutes for face-to-face personal communication. It's not that digital communication is "bad", it's when it becomes your PREFERRED method of communicating that it becomes a Buffer.

Bear in mind what a Buffer is - a methodology with the purpose of blunting potential rejection. How many guys have bemoaned a MySpace hook up where they got off on all the great IMs and emails and thought how compatible they were with some girl only to find out she was really a 300lb. land monster who took shots from top angles in her pics? That's the Buffer.

Let me ask this, since a good percentage of us are above 30 y.o. and can remember a time when there was no internet, cell phones or IMs; did you ever pass notes to a girl you liked in junior high or high school? Did you ever write letters on notebook paper to the girl you wanted to get with? How did that work out for you? Why don't you do it now? Maybe because it would come off as immature?

IMs, chat, email, texts, etc. are simply the 21st century equivalent of passing notes in class. Women may even eat it up, because they love the act of communicating, but it's simply a Buffer against rejection for both parties. It's a nice, safe wall against looking a girl in the eye and conversing on the spot. It lulls you into a false sense of security and IL with a woman - you have all the time in the world to calculate your words, but you're blind to her body language, her vocal intonations, her eye contact, and all the rest of the subcommunications that women instinctively use on a daily basis. Texting and all the other innovative Buffers we think open us to greater facility of communication actually isolate us and limit us from learning to read a woman (and others) in real time, so it's no wonder guys freeze and choke and need PUA seminars and DVDs to help them overcome what should've been socialized into them as a natural acculturation.

I think the default excuse is to fall back on the idea that messaging is just a new modern convenience that makes it easier to connect, but all it really is is another introversion. I've been married for over 14 years, and both my wife and I have cell phones, AIM, email etc., but we've never used these for more than what needs to be bought at the grocery store on the way home from work. We have the choice to use any kind of communication, but we talk face to face or on the phone because it's easier, and there's no bullsh!t barrier of potential rejection now.

I realize all this makes me sound like some Luddite; trust me I'm not. I use IM, texting, email, my cell phone, etc. all the time. In my line of work I'd say I use digital communication more than a lot of people on this board, but it's a poor substitute for direct communication. You can't detect sarcasm, elation, depression, or really any emotional subtleties with any real certainty. Our sales team ALWAYS meet face to face with accounts. Any good salesman will agree that being present is always preferable to cold calls - why would dating be different? Because you have a personal investment - yourself.

 

[Iceberg]

Whenever I see a guy madly texting back and forth with a chick it looks like the most "girlie" thing ever. I work with a ton of young twenty somethings and I see this all the time. It's embarrassing. With SO many chicks glued to their phones, texting has just become a feminine thing to me. When I see dudes texting too much with chicks it makes me cringe.

In my personal experiences I've had great success with chicks answering my calls.

Texting too much is awful, annoying, and girly. But if we saw a guy calling his girl too much, we'd say the same.

I'm in my 30's, so I grew up in a world without texting. And for a long time I thought texting was lame. But hey, the world changes. And the world's not going to stop just for Iceberg's Dating Rules. So, I've grown to accept texting and I've never had a problem with it. And in reality, I've never been one of those dudes to text a girl 20 times per day.

The world is growing to a place where we don't do phone calls anymore. And frankly, I don't mind it.

I'll call a girlfriend, sure. But some girl I'm just casually dating....I enjoy their company, but I don't really want to spend 20 minutes with a phone glued to my face blabbing with her. I just feel like life has gotten to a point where phone isn't the most efficient method of communicating. And a phone call requires me to stop everything I'm doing to give this person my full attention....which would be a nice gesture....BUT I usually don't feel like doing that.

Finally someone that sees texting as a chicken-sh1t tool

I think you lack reading comprehension skills.

I was saying the opposite.

 

[instantnoodles]

I think you lack reading comprehension skills.

I was saying the opposite.

Oups. I meant to quote Maximus Rex from your post. I guess it doesn't do that automatically.