Play-by-Play on Number Closing

What do you think of this Number-Close Routine?

  • Awesome! I'm going to use this one!

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • Seems plausible.

    Votes: 11 68.8%
  • I dunno man, I don't think this'd work.

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • It sucks. Anybody who tries this is a total AFC

    Votes: 1 6.3%

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Damian

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They key of getting numbers is grabbing them as soon as humanly possble. In your first approach, establish rapport, and develop a mutual interest. Then go for the number-close as soon as possible or make a date. If she's interested in you at all, you'll get a positive response. If she doesn't, then she's just a friend and you don't have to waste the energy to keep working on her.

I've found a wonderful tactic that I use all the time on girls to grab numbers. It has a great track record, so use it well!

After you've created interest, fake a time restraint. This creates a nice safety blanket for the women, and a great escape ladder you can use if you crash and burn.
-"Dammit, my friends are waiting for me."
-"I really have to get back to my buddies"

Then set a venue but establish that you would go whether or not she's coming. An easy way is to say that you're going with friends. Remember that this doesn't necessarily have to be true. You can say that you're going with dozen people, but then bring her on a 1-on-1 date. *Edit: The whole point of this step is to show that you would be going with or without her. It creates the "guy who has his own life" model and increases rapport while setting a date location. For the AFC's out there, you should try using the friends lines and once you're comfortable, move onto individualisms.*
-"Hey, Me and my buds are gonna head down to the theater this saturday."
-"Afterschool, I'm going to drive down to *restaurant* to go eat with some friends of mine."
-"I'm going to go grab some coffee after work."

Then tell her that she is welcome to come. I've found that NOT ASKING, but TELLING works with much better results.
-"You should come with."
-"Let's go together."

Then interject with a number proposal. Again, I've seen the telling tactic better than asking a question, but you can do whatever you want with this one.
-"But we need to make the plans, so gimme your number."
-"Let me have your number, and I'll give you the info."

OPTIONAL: Then set a time and location to meet if you want an immediate time-bridge. Usually this is used to create more attraction and tension. You can also use this as an opportunity to take her somewhere and jump into it.
-"Just meet me back here afterschool. I'll be a bit late, so just wait here."

Disengage the conversation. This step is pretty much self-explanatory. Anybody can get themselves out of a conversation.
-"Now, get to class, you!"
-"Now get outta here, I have things to do."
-or- use your original time restraint
-"I gotta get back to my friends, cya."

Sure, it seems like a long-winded routine, but it's a rather simple way of grabbing a number. This whole interaction shouldn't take more than 45 seconds or so. I just spread it out to show you guys each of the lines and how each part works. You can tell immediately if she is interested or not, by her choice to give you the number or not. If she gives you the number, it's go time. If she doesn't, you've already figured out by the first meeting if she's worth gaming or not and thus saving your time and energy. It may seem like a canned number close, but I've explained each part, so you can modify each line to fit your scenario. It's more like a number-close framework than a canned line. Just remember to speak with confidence and smile.

-Damian
 
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Hmm...everything here is really great/useful, but one thing bogs my mind:

Do you really have to say that you're going with your friends? It's plausible, and at the end(if you were planning for a 1-on-1 to begin with) you can simply say "my friends flaked out on me, so let's make it between us two then," but I personally prefer to be straightforward...Kinda like the guy from Office Space ya know?

Ex: "I'm going to grab some lunch @ _______, you're welcome to join me."

So overall, do you really have to mention that you're going with your friends, when in reality, you're planning to go 1on1 with her?
 

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I very rarely get turned down when I ask for a phone number. Number closing is EASY because girls HATE rejecting guys. You could literally go up to a total stranger, introduce yourself, and immediately ask for the girl's phone number with a high success rate.

Where this fails is getting a date. You call, and they don't answer; or you call and they say they're busy/have a boyfriend/etc. The number close itself is meaningless. The most important part of an approach is creating attraction and rapport. That number has to lead to somewhere.

Instead of focusing so much energy on how to ask for a number, focus on building rapport and attraction.
 

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Number closing is EASY because girls HATE rejecting guys.
I'm going to add one thing to this...
Girls hate rejecting guys in person. They'll use the telephone or something else impersonal to reject. They prefer not seeing the physical reaction.
 

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Originally posted by Damian
Then set a venue but establish that you would go whether or not she's coming. An easy way is to say that you're going with friends. Remember that this doesn't necessarily have to be true. You can say that you're going with dozen people, but then bring her on a 1-on-1 date.
-"Hey, Me and my buds are gonna head down to the theater this saturday."
-"Afterschool, I'm going to drive down to *restaurant* to go eat with some friends of mine."
The rest of the points are excellent, but this...

is horrible, your going to make her SO uncomfortable when your sitting all by yourself... she going to think you are a real loner or worse, a desperate boy.

If you edited your post I would say the whole thread was bible worthy... well could use a little more explanation as to WHY... but it would be a great post
 

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Originally posted by Shiftkey
You could literally go up to a total stranger, introduce yourself, and immediately ask for the girl's phone number with a high success rate.
That's all I do. And yes there is a high success rate. Looks play a big role though.

Originally posted by Shiftkey
Where this fails is getting a date. You call, and they don't answer; or you call and they say they're busy/have a boyfriend/etc. The number close itself is meaningless. The most important part of an approach is creating attraction and rapport. That number has to lead to somewhere.

Instead of focusing so much energy on how to ask for a number, focus on building rapport and attraction.
I have a different view on this. I say work on getting as many numbers as possible, and the rest will sort itself out. If you get 10 numbers, I'm sure you can get atleast 2 or 3 dates. On these dates you can create attraction. And then you'll be set.
 

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That hasn't been my experience wheelin&dealin, but I'm glad it works for you. What I described above was basically what my first approaches were like. Since then I've improved on my convo skills, which has increased my number to date ratio dramatically.

What's your phone game like?
 

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Of course, a fully developed DJ will be able to get numbers easy. I decided to help out some of the novices out there by giving them a little guide on how to finally grab that number close. It all boils down to whether you have gotten comfortable enough with approaches to think for yourself. If you have something else that works for you, don't hesitate to post it up!

-Damian
 

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Oh ahh
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It's gonna make an appearance.
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It's coming up. I can't stop it
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Up comes the middle finger.
Get your b*tch a$$ in the high school forum.
 

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Originally posted by Damian
Of course, a fully developed DJ will be able to get numbers easy. I decided to help out some of the novices out there by giving them a little guide on how to finally grab that number close. It all boils down to whether you have gotten comfortable enough with approaches to think for yourself. If you have something else that works for you, don't hesitate to post it up!

-Damian
No, I'm saying that even novices can get numbers easily. The skill comes with converting those numbers into dates, etc. When I first started, I would get dozens of numbers, but only a few of those would turn into dates.

I don't have any real tips that aren't already in the DJ Bible or that you can't learn with experience.
 

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Re: Re: Play-by-Play on Number Closing

The rest of the points are excellent, but this...

is horrible, your going to make her SO uncomfortable when your sitting all by yourself... she going to think you are a real loner or worse, a desperate boy.

If you edited your post I would say the whole thread was bible worthy... well could use a little more explanation as to WHY... but it would be a great post
The whole point of this line is to show independence and distance yourself from desperation. If you are good with your game, your woman will never be uncomfortable around you unless you force it upon her.

A date is not a chance to prove yourself, but an opportunity for her to join in your fun. Go anywhere, go have fun, but make it on your terms and she will have a blast. If any of you have heard DYD's audio with Sean, you'll understand exactly what I mean.

-Damian
 

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I've read the first few posts, and I love it, but shouldn't this be in tips.
 

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Originally posted by Reagan
Oh ahh
ah
oh
ahhh
It's gonna make an appearance.
oh
ahhh
oh
It's coming up. I can't stop it
oh
ahh
ahhhhhhh!!!!
Up comes the middle finger.
Get your b*tch a$$ in the high school forum.
Considering that you ARE older than me. Try acting your age, sir. And in spite of it all, if I hadn't posted my age, it would have made all the difference, wouldn't it? Maybe try growing up and learning some respect before you decide to open your mouth or write out a word.

-Damian
 

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Originally posted by Shiftkey
That hasn't been my experience wheelin&dealin, but I'm glad it works for you. What I described above was basically what my first approaches were like. Since then I've improved on my convo skills, which has increased my number to date ratio dramatically.

What's your phone game like?
My phone game is pretty basic. Call a girl up after about 3-4 days, ask her if she wants to go out for a drink, take her out, make-out with her before ending the date, then wait for her to fall in love with me :) . After the date I'll call her up a few days down the road, ask her if she wants to come over and rent a movie (probably a week after the first date). Guaranteed make-out session, and then she's hooked.


Cold approaches work for me because I am ridiculously good looking :whistle: and my conversation skills are slick. I know some girls will flake on me but I don't care. I go for as many numbers as possible, because the more numbers = the more dates. If a girl isn't interested in me by my first impression, then I doubt a brief session of "rapport building" will make her want me.
 

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Cold approaches work for me because I am ridiculously good looking and my conversation skills are slick.
Wait a minute...I thought you said that you just walk up to women, introduce yourself, then immediately ask for their number. Where's the conversation in that?

My phone game is pretty basic. Call a girl up after about 3-4 days, ask her if she wants to go out for a drink, take her out, make-out with her before ending the date, then wait for her to fall in love with me .
So no conversation on the phone either? Once you get their phone number with the above method, you call after a few days and immediately ask for a date?

I get the feeling you're leaving something out.

If a girl isn't interested in me by my first impression, then I doubt a brief session of "rapport building" will make her want me.
You'd be surprised.
 

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Originally posted by Shiftkey
Wait a minute...I thought you said that you just walk up to women, introduce yourself, then immediately ask for their number. Where's the conversation in that?
Here's how things normally go for me on a pick-up

Me: Excuse me... Are you from around here?
Her: Yep, blah blah
Me: How old are you?
Her: blah
Me: Really.. you look way older.. :p
Her: *laughs*
Me: Do you want to come out to a fundraiser my _____ team is having next weekend?
Her: Sure... where is it
Me: blah,blah, blah
Me: Why don't you write down your number...
Her: Ok... I love you.

Then I'll just fill in the rest of the conversation with ****y bullsh*t.

Originally posted by Shiftkey
So no conversation on the phone either? Once you get their phone number with the above method, you call after a few days and immediately ask for a date?
On the phone, I will keep the conversation on her and I will ask a bunch of open ended questions about her day, her work, what she did on the weekend. Just general stuff, I'll keep it under 5 minutes in length.
 

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So you get a phone number and then continue the conversation after that? Interesting idea. I usually ask for a phone number right before I'm about to go. Also a clever gimmick you have going. You use the same intro with every approach? What do you say on the phone since you're making up the fund raiser?

I keep the phone convos under 5 minutes also. I really hate phones lol. Even in LTRs my GF will have a hard time keeping me on the line for more than 10 minutes.
 

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It's usually good to practice a few canned intro's so you get comfortable with a small arsenal. If you can find some HB5-8's then go ahead and try to experiment with new material and see what works. If it works, practice and perfect it and incorporate it into your routines. That way, when you encounter a true HB9-10, you can just use the routines that you have totally down. Don't try to tread on new territory with the super-hot ones. Stick to where you're comfortable and you won't come off as nervous or desperate.

-Damian
 

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Originally posted by Shiftkey
So you get a phone number and then continue the conversation after that? Interesting idea. I usually ask for a phone number right before I'm about to go.
I normally get the number at the end of the convo. I meant that I just fill in the empty space with meaningless bullsh*t to create abit of a connection and show her that I'm a quick-witted conversation genius.

Originally posted by Shiftkey
You use the same intro with every approach?
Pretty much. It's just a few basic lines that can start up any conversation. Where you from? How old are you? These lines are very important because you can use them anywhere and anytime. You don't have to think of something witty to say.

Originally posted by Shiftkey
What do you say on the phone since you're making up the fund raiser?
Depends when I call the girl. If it's before the "fundraiser" I'll say, I might not go to it because I'm doing this or that. If it's after the fundraiser, I'll say that I didn't think you would like it so I didn't invite you or that I didn't go so I didn't call you.
 
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