Picking up girls online - stupid waste of time! I'm very angry.

[NickSCFC2000]

'Hi,

I'm new to this site and was browsing profiles...you're certainly good looking, but beauty is common these days so I was wondering what do you have going for you apart your looks? Tell me a bit about yourself and I'll see if you might be the sort of girl I'd go for or not.'

LMAO, no wonder u got some nasty replies.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

LMAO, no wonder u got some nasty replies.

Dont if he were a hunk, stud or really high up on the looks scale. Again, these techniques need LOOKS to back them up or you are just another wannabe player out there that's competing to get that girl's attention.

How someone looks on their photo will determine the threshold of what's in your profile or message of getting a reply. The better the looks, the less of the 'game-play' is needed. The worst off the looks, the more investment in profile and good messages are needed, and therefore more work and less return.

The only solution is to periodically try to do creative contrasts. That is, make up another account based on a different email on various dating sites, and post up a photo from a man's fashion magazine, or any guy you would consider much more attractive than you, then post it up, and make two identicle profiles (perhaps at different intervals) and exact first messages and see which will come up. That way you have a frame of reference to what extent women are judging you on looks, vs. to what extent it is what you are writing or what is in your profile. If you think at the end of the day the responses are the same, then, maybe it's a games issue, but if the results are dramatically different and all you changed is the photo, then you have the answer there too.

That is why I dont buy into this BS that one can improve their online game and get 20 dates lined up, or get an instant hook-up with a girl unless they are really hot, so I think it's more of a feast or famine prosposition - you either get lots of girls, or often you get no girl or just get a 'left-over' b1tch who settles with you as a last option.

Sure, if you are a hot girl, you can get men that will do that (get tonnes of dates or easy hook-ups), but as an average joe, it seems like it's alot of work just to get a few leads in over a month assuming you are not picky. It's more cost-effective to go with a prostitute and you have more choice, (unless you have more time than money on your hands).

 

[NickSCFC2000]

You guys reckon this pic's ok for a dating site...

http://a952.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/65/m_372eaaee0b855872d530eac07fdfdf5f.jpg

 

[DJVladdy]

no.
Hell no dude, never post stuff like this. lol

 

[NickSCFC2000]

I reckon the 2 dates (hb8 and hb9) off myspace were down to that pic

 

[DonJuan11]

Where is the charm in your opening lines? To paraphrase you are saying: "listen *****, prove yourself to me or I'll get another one."

I can hear the girls in England falling in love with you now.

 

[Real]

once again buddy, the problem is you look creepy

what do you have to offer to a hot girl?

online works very well

you come off in real life just like you do online - if your a player in real life then you'll be aplayer online, and if you are a SYMP in real life, then you will be a SYMP in real life, and guess what??? SYMPS DON'T GET GIRLS

so how bout you start to improve yourself physically before dishing out advice such as "direct game and online game don't work"

ALL game works for the guy who is built to use it!

YOU are NOT built to use any game! what are you gonna do, go to clubs and parties, never hook up, and then post that clubs and parties are bad places to pick up girls?

people like you seriously don't understand how life works

 

[Real]

oh, and your opening line reeks horrible of SYMP-ness, girls only like to talk to laid back guys (at least the hot girls, which im assuming is what you are going for)

a line such as "hey watsup girl? i'm from the chicago area too, just wanted to hit you up and tell you that you got a really unique beauty to you (as a former model i really appreciate that kinda thing), and i'd love to talk to you sometime, u got a screen name sweetie?"

yes the model thing is bull****, but who cares? gets her to reply

the above message has been tested by me and my inbox had 220 messages after 1 week on myspace

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Whatever - people just end up saying what I end up saying all along, unless you have the 'looks' to back up your online game then it just doesn't work.

I would like to see an ugly guy, or even average guy or someone with no pics pull off this online game and score with lots of chicks.

All boils down to looks again - if you look like a muscular stud or have really handsome features, then sure, you'd probably get much more response then the best well written profile and opener and poorer looks. And you feel just as good as you look anyway, I mean if you looks suck and you look geeky, then whatever you say, even if you try to get laid back will confirm to how you appear.

Again, Real cant offer any real usable advice to anyone because he has it easy, he looks hot and so he can get away with whatever game he is using, but for the rest of us who look like average joes it's a much different ball game.

 

[Phyzzle]

Golden rule of Online personals:

When you respond to her ad, mention something from her ad that you find interesting.

Your problem is obvious. What you are doing is spamming. The only qualifying you are doing is gender.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Golden rule of Online personals:

When you respond to her ad, mention something from her ad that you find interesting.

Your problem is obvious. What you are doing is spamming. The only qualifying you are doing is gender.

I've tried this, and while it may work in very, very few cases where there is exceptionally strong online chemistry or vibes, most of the time women wont reply back to emails, even if it appears you read their profile. In fact, it may even be seen as a form of supplication as you are doing all the work and look like you are putting her on a pedistle as you are trying to qualify yourself to conform to what she is looking for in her profile like everyone else is doing.

Again, if you are not what she is looking for, photo-looks wise, then she will pass you for someone who has better looks. Chances are, she has another zillion of emails of guys that wrote exactly the same thing you did - even if you did reference things from the profile. These girls get like a tonne of emails a day from AFC's, that will say lots of things, including references from their profile - and at the end of the day, guess what happens? Your well intentioned thought out email gets passed.

 

[Real]

Whatever - people just end up saying what I end up saying all along, unless you have the 'looks' to back up your online game then it just doesn't work.

I would like to see an ugly guy, or even average guy or someone with no pics pull off this online game and score with lots of chicks.

All boils down to looks again - if you look like a muscular stud or have really handsome features, then sure, you'd probably get much more response then the best well written profile and opener and poorer looks. And you feel just as good as you look anyway, I mean if you looks suck and you look geeky, then whatever you say, even if you try to get laid back will confirm to how you appear.

Again, Real cant offer any real usable advice to anyone because he has it easy, he looks hot and so he can get away with whatever game he is using, but for the rest of us who look like average joes it's a much different ball game.

Luke you are correct

without a pic or looking ugly/average, you can still game and talk to girls who also don't have a pice or who are also ugly/average


if you wanna get hot girls interested in you online, you gotta have what hot girls want! what do hot girls want??? LOOKS, MONEY, STATUS

so take me - i dont have much $$, i dont have much status, but i do have solid looks, and i dont sound like a loser when i message them

thats all it takes

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Luke you are correct

without a pic or looking ugly/average, you can still game and talk to girls who also don't have a pice or who are also ugly/average


if you wanna get hot girls interested in you online, you gotta have what hot girls want! what do hot girls want??? LOOKS, MONEY, STATUS

so take me - i dont have much $$, i dont have much status, but i do have solid looks, and i dont sound like a loser when i message them

thats all it takes

So you agree with this thread then - online dating is a waste of time unless you are genetically lucky and have good solid looks. The point of this board and players boards in general, etc... is to sort of develop some sort of game that can compensate or cheat 'the looks factor' - but the problem with online dating is that I dont think you can win with online dating unless you have the looks because the competition is just crazy. You are only going to get pity dates at best with hot girls, if you are lucky, if you dont have the looks yourself to back up whatever you are doing.

That's why, some dating gurues out there, will advise to avoid the online scene completely because you cant portray the same confidence like a bold cold approach or type of approach online, all you are doing after all is sending a message, and everyone is doing just that, and looking at photos of guys like a store categlogue. It's only good for rejection tolerance I guess since you are not putting people on the spot like a cold approach.

Looks are more important than money and status because money and status alone would attract gold-diggers and wh-res that only like the money - while looks you may get the types that are just looking for a good time rather than a sugar daddy.

Again - there is not much advice anywhere for an average joe to improve their online gaming. I could try any product in the world that would improve online game, but if the looks aren't there, it's a waste of time.

 

[Real]

yea you miss a point

ANYONE can become good looking

this site is for good looking guys with no game, and the site teaches these guys to get better with dealing with women

ANYONE can be good looking


but guys who keep learning game and keep looking like shyt, they are the losers who are clueless and will never have success, no matter if its online or in person

 

[Lust]

Dude, your problem is that you are trying to qualify them before they think you have any value, why the fvck would they waste their time with you, if you don't even present yourself as a high value guy?

I haven't tried plenty of fish or facebook, but I've got a myspace and what you want to do is scream high value on your profile.

Online game shouldn't take much effort, you send out like 25 messages when you have 10mins free, and leave. If someone replies, good, if not, oh well. But you would want to critically analyze how you are doing things if your results are abnormally low.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Dude, your problem is that you are trying to qualify them before they think you have any value, why the fvck would they waste their time with you, if you don't even present yourself as a high value guy?

What is a 'high value guy'? You want to get women sexually turned on or sexually attracted and get an emotional connection not use you like a chump.
The only way you can show you are high value is simply to have a good photo shot - photos are everything.

I'm just curious as to WHY there are online dating products out there - it seems like eveyrone who uses them is likely just going to get a refund as they waste their time trying out these crappy products that just skirt over the fact that you got a good hot photo, you get response, you dont, then you are out of luck.

I haven't tried plenty of fish or facebook, but I've got a myspace and what you want to do is scream high value on your profile.

Online game shouldn't take much effort, you send out like 25 messages when you have 10mins free, and leave. If someone replies, good, if not, oh well. But you would want to critically analyze how you are doing things if your results are abnormally low.

Indulge us - how do you scream high value on a profile?

Let's face it, most people on here are ordinary guys, not rich and famous - the thing is, if someone is REALLY high value - then why would they wouldn't be online in the first place, they'd have girls all over the place chasing them and wouldn't need to even think about going on the internet to find people. I'd say at best - high value guys are good liars, because you wouldn't need to be on that venue if that were true.

 

[Nexus Polaris]

I thought that would make me stand out from all the chodes, yet I got 2 very b*tchy responses.....

Response from HB #1:-

'Bein Honest Im not That Gd Lukin
I Dont How To Describe Myself
But I Can Be ****y
An U Sed Worth Your time
What Makes you Think Id Wanna be Worth Your Time?
You Make It Sound Like Your Something Special...
I Dont Know Ya Might Be
You Should Really Rephrase What You say To People
You Might Just Sound Like Less Of An assh*le'

Response from HB #2:-

'Naahhh It Says On Me Porfile Wat Yuu Need 2 Kno... N I Dont Apricate Yuu Callin Me A Dork'

Bloody hell, what's wrong with these HBs!!??? I mean, if I send a 'normal' message, I'll just look like a 'nice guy', if I say 'you're hot' I'll look like a horny chode, and if I try something witty and funny I get a b*tchy response!

Any better suggestions? I reckon online PU is a ****ing waste of time, and I'm gonna stick to cold approaching in the real world.

Why do girls f*cking bother going on these sites if they're gonna be so nasty to guys messaging them!!! I'm a bit p*ssed off!!!

Judging by those typing skills, I think you dodged a couple of bullets, man. Unless you're into stupid girls.





I think Luke's got it down, though. Truth is, if you're not reasonably good looking, you can turn out the most amazingly witty, clever, interesting, and funny messages in the world on a regular basis (trust me, wit is my forte) and get a minimal amount of responses from the women you REALLY want to talk to. It's not like the real world where you can be butt ugly but charming as fück and still make a good impression and walk away with a phone number. You don't even get the chance to make an impression at all online if you don't have a good picture. Your message gets deleted without even being read often times.

 

[Lust]

What is a 'high value guy'? You want to get women sexually turned on or sexually attracted and get an emotional connection not use you like a chump.
The only way you can show you are high value is simply to have a good photo shot - photos are everything.

I'm just curious as to WHY there are online dating products out there - it seems like eveyrone who uses them is likely just going to get a refund as they waste their time trying out these crappy products that just skirt over the fact that you got a good hot photo, you get response, you dont, then you are out of luck.



Indulge us - how do you scream high value on a profile?

Let's face it, most people on here are ordinary guys, not rich and famous - the thing is, if someone is REALLY high value - then why would they wouldn't be online in the first place, they'd have girls all over the place chasing them and wouldn't need to even think about going on the internet to find people. I'd say at best - high value guys are good liars, because you wouldn't need to be on that venue if that were true.

Photos. Of social gatherings, you with your mates and plenty of women around, humor in your profile, anchoring a non-needy feel to your personality all convey high value.

Your idea of high value is out of proportion. High value doesn't mean you have a 10 inch **** and Bill Gates' bank account. There are plenty of cool people that women would love to get to know online. High value simply means that you're a fun loving guy and you aren't going to stalk her. More than anything, you need to show her that you're not a loser, you're not a 30 year old virgin still living with your mom.

 

[zerocelcius]

IMPO I hate online 'dating' but my experience with girls writing back was always positive.

I don't write girls to PU though. I usually respond from their initial post or because of a common interest. I am actually contacting them because of an interest and in no way trying to PU them.

BUT...

That wasn't what I was going to say.

What I was going to say was: My friend, who does try to PU online and in person, gets a lot of replies and posts.

If you go to his myspace page all the comments are by girls. One of them is a Cheerleader for SF. Others are hot and some are not, but his value is through the roof.

The funny thing is his picture is him and his ... 'GF' (for lack of better word). He is going with a girl and still DON'n.

IF you want to online 'date' than go for it, but take a lesson from my friend and boost your value and don't give up PU in person.