Philosophy, Who Needs It?

[Deep Dish]

In your position, you could easily say that: "Oh, women like...blah, blah, blah," and then go on to describe your personality.

Yes, and invariably then we'd have guys who'd try to mirror it. "I want to cash in on Deep Dish's secret. I'll just be like him." Much like we find guys who mirror themselves after women, there are also guys who mirror after 'successful' guys. [And to tell them there is no secret, that will boggle their mind! I've had guys ask me "How do you do it? How are you so cool? How do you attract so many women?" My only answer has been "I don't do anything."]

And the interesting thing is, despite my personality, despite whatever I do or how I do it, all of it is irrelevant to other guys. They are not me. I can say I'm a really nice guy, and the nice guys finishing last will wonder "WTF is he doing?" I can say I'm tall and skinny, and the muscle heads will wonder "WTF is he doing?" [Though I must say I'm trying to start bulking up].

Some time ago I decided to go for the "goatee" look.

There is something to be said of goatees.

The DJ techniques are geared toward getting you OUT THERE to even find out if the women will like you or not.

What I found instrumental in my grappling with not being attractive was nightclubs. Guys argue the clubbing environment is superficial, entirely dependent on looks, but I say it is not much different from what happens in ordinary life, just in compressed time, and it forces the guy to look himself in a sexual light. Actually getting the girls from clubs is beside the point.

 

[HB_Hunter]

i totally believe in this self-improvment for life thing . everything that happen to you i believe is the result of u . you are the only one responsible and it took me long time of pain and torture to learn this .

thing is i got confused for some times when im interacting with girls or ppl in general . i find myself double guessing and wondering what to do although i ain't no chump , i've reached the mindset of being a man and knowing what to do thru this site , rules at first then complete naturalism . but you guys can say im no newbie but it's like my skills is getting rusty don't know . i sometimes find that i can have fun and let nature take the driver seat , other times i find myself analyzing (hate that) like i want to re-read some old tips but a voice inside says don't rely on philosophy !! be a man , imitation is suicide . used to get motivated in the past when i re-read some old tips (maybe placebo) found that i got really confident after that (maybe false one) but things like have fun , be desireless , etc.... used to enlighten me . now i really can't stand to do this . im focused only inside and on making it a habit .

 

[Peymora]

Originally posted by HB_Hunter
i totally believe in this self-improvment for life thing . everything that happen to you i believe is the result of u . you are the only one responsible and it took me long time of pain and torture to learn this .

thing is i got confused for some times when im interacting with girls or ppl in general . i find myself double guessing and wondering what to do although i ain't no chump , i've reached the mindset of being a man and knowing what to do thru this site , rules at first then complete naturalism . but you guys can say im no newbie but it's like my skills is getting rusty don't know . i sometimes find that i can have fun and let nature take the driver seat , other times i find myself analyzing (hate that) like i want to re-read some old tips but a voice inside says don't rely on philosophy !! be a man , imitation is suicide . used to get motivated in the past when i re-read some old tips (maybe placebo) found that i got really confident after that (maybe false one) but things like have fun , be desireless , etc.... used to enlighten me . now i really can't stand to do this . im focused only inside and on making it a habit .

I couldn't agree more...., this mindset is exactly what got me laid for the first time sunday night

Story: We spend 2 nights in a tent... (for the record: both 18, she has experience, i hadn't any)

The first night we talked for about 3 hours about all sorts of things, especially sex... and after some time she said: "ok, let's go to sleep....", so i replyed: "yes, but let's make ourselfs a little more comfortable". And while saying that i put my arm around her... Well, for short, we spend another 3 hours touching each other....

The second night my thought's where: "okay, now go further and lose that virginity"..... However, things worked out bad: The moment we had said goodnight to the friends we were with and got into the tent she went to sleep..... grrr....

While I couldn't sleep (i wasn't tired at all, dunno why), I sat up and began to think about "Atlas Shrugged" from Ayn Rand, which I had read a couple of weeks earler. I began to question my premisses on which I had formed the thought: 'okay, if she want's to touch me, i will get laid next night". I figured out the tought was totally bull**** and that i didn't had any rights with her when it comes to having sex or anything. I also thought about all the things i have been through and what i've read on this forum. And after a while, let's say 45 min. she woke up, we talked a little, and i played the same 'lay down in my arms' trick i had used the night before.... only this time i kicked fear out of my mind and pushed the boundaries far enough!

Bottom line: read "Atlas Shrugged", and see if the way Ayn Rand looks at the world seems fair to you.

 

[lynx]

philosophy class

One of the best things I did was take philosophy classes in college. They won't necessarily apply to your situation, but some of the teachings are relevant to today's world. I recommend taking a class in classical philosophy (Plato, Aristotle, Seneca, Cicero, St. Thomas Aquinas, etc) as well as one touching upon medieval, Renaissance, and modern philosophers. There are going to be lots of chicks in those classes, since those classes generally fulfill general ed requirements. Do homework with the girls.

Pay particular attention to Stoic philosophy, which is similar to the Taoist philosophy of not being attached to anything.