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Magma

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Ask any 21 year old if they want to buy a Lamborghini. Chances are, they'll say yes (of course). BUT, they'll say they can't afford it. But what is cheaper? A nice sports car like that, or raising a child to adulthood?

And having a child at such a young age puts a man so far behind the 8-ball. The stress of raising and providing for a child (or children?) combined with the stress of keeping a young marriage alive is just too great. C'mon man! We all know the statistics! So eventually the guy is paying a lawyer in order to get his fair share of the custody. In addition, he pays alimony to the ex-wife as well as child support. A person just cannot deny the statistics here. I could disregard statistics and bet my house on 17 on the roulette wheel too. But would it be wise? Not when you're aware of what you're up against.

So what does this hypothetical young twenty-something man do for a living? Well, he's the guy that came out to my business the other day and unclogged my sewer drain. Sure! He and I got to talking. Turns out he's divorced with two kids. He couldn't have been more than 26 or so. These are the guys that are shacking up with women in their early twenties and getting them pregnant. Birth control? Not in their vocabulary.

It's a different time and a different legal environment out there than when our parents were young. The matriarchal legal system that is in place allows no safety net for the man in marital and parental issues. And that's the bottom line.

Listen, if the laws weren't so f'd up here in the states, I wouldn't have this point of view. But the sad fact is that men are going to get screwed if they get caught up in this circus at such a young age.

Furthermore, there is nothing contradictory about my posts. Sure I'll tell guys in their twenties to bang every woman they want to. BUT, I also advocate in using condoms 100% OF THE TIME and to make sure the woman is on some form of birth control as well. That's just smart practice. The broad implication of this is that a man gets to experience as many women as possible, so that when he decides to have a child, it will be with the right woman for the right reasons.

Men in today's world need to be more vigilant about who they decide to give their sperm to. And at 21, IN TODAY'S WORLD, neither the guy nor the girl are mature enough to bring a child in to this world.

Like Lex said, we're all living longer. So what's the rush? I advocate that young men at least GIVE THEMSELVES A FIGHTING CHANCE out of the gate. Why would someone willingly put themselves at such a disadvantage in life?

And of course there are exceptions to the rule. It would be nice if the statistics were not so bleak. And I'd like to build a ladder to the moon, too. But that's not realistic, and neither is the idea that a young man in his early twenties can justifiably have a child and provide for it accordingly against all odds to the contrary.

I'm not saying men shouldn't have children. What I'm saying is that guys should WAIT until they are older, more mature, and more financially stable before they decide to bring another human being into this world. I don't take the concept of children lightly. It's the biggest responsibility anyone take on. So why should I advocate for such a laissez-faire mentality when it comes to such an important decision?

Having kids at a young age just so the parents can still be "young" when the child is 18? Hogwash. How many young twenty-somethings still live at home? How many young men still count on their parents to bail them out? The maturity gap is growing wider by the generation, and it's unavoidable.

It's not that hard to figure out. Just wait a little longer until you have a more stable (financially and emotionally) life.

That's all I'm sayin'...

Respect.
 

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samspade said:
I've never been married, and I was just thinking about one small irony related to that fact.

Right now I'm in no hurry to get married, not sure if I ever will, mostly because of the knowledge and wisdom made available on this forum (thanks, gentlemen).

However there was a time when I MIGHT have gotten married at an earlier age. But because of my AFC-ness, I couldn't maintain a frame well enough to keep a girl around that long. Had I somehow "lucked out" and found a girl who was willing to put up with me back then, who knows what would have happened.

So, while I'd like to say I've avoided a failed marriage/divorce because I'm so clever, the truth is my former self unwittingly spared me from such a fate.

I'm not saying "never," but I definitely am in no hurry these days.
Yea I'm in that position right now. I'm in no rush to get married or have kids. But I can't even keep a chick interested in me beyond a few encounters. I just suck with women right now. I think I subconsciously give off the vibe that I'm not ready to be a one woman guy. A woman has to really impress me to get that title. Most the females I'm around are lackluster anyways. If I decided to get involved seriously with any of these females, I'd have to question my sanity. No harm no foul I guess...

I'm also frugal and refuse to spend money on a female until she earns it. But with so many guys around me willing to "trick off" their money for females, most females just bypass me for guys willing to spend money on them just because they are an attractive woman.

I think I'm ahead of the game though. My main priority is to graduate college and build my wealth. I'll have plenty of time to have kids and be the man family in the future.
 

zekko

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Listen, if the laws weren't so f'd up here in the states, I wouldn't have this point of view. But the sad fact is that men are going to get screwed if they get caught up in this circus at such a young age.
Just curious, if the laws are screwed up here, how is divorce handled in other countries? Especially where there are children involved? Do they give parents equal custody? Because if they give the mother custody (because of the female being the "nurturer"), then the father is going to have to pay. It's only right that a parent support his child.
 

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zekko said:
Just curious, if the laws are screwed up here, how is divorce handled in other countries? Especially where there are children involved? Do they give parents equal custody? Because if they give the mother custody (because of the female being the "nurturer"), then the father is going to have to pay. It's only right that a parent support his child.
In these islands the mom gets the child and the father has to pay - usually. DNA testing is big here, roadside signs everywhere, lots of dad's stuck with alimony just aren't sure if they are the father.
 

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Kupid Diggs said:
Yea I'm in that position right now. I'm in no rush to get married or have kids. But I can't even keep a chick interested in me beyond a few encounters. I just suck with women right now. I think I subconsciously give off the vibe that I'm not ready to be a one woman guy. A woman has to really impress me to get that title. Most the females I'm around are lackluster anyways. If I decided to get involved seriously with any of these females, I'd have to question my sanity. No harm no foul I guess...

I'm also frugal and refuse to spend money on a female until she earns it. But with so many guys around me willing to "trick off" their money for females, most females just bypass me for guys willing to spend money on them just because they are an attractive woman.
Uncanny. I feel the EXACT same way right now.
 

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A friend of mine who's been with his highschool sweetheart for 6 years laughed at me a couple of weeks ago and said "You'll never get into a relationship" as to mock my bachelor lifestyle. I paused, feeling like that insult should have offended me. I took a beat, smiled, and said "thank god!"

Relationships tend to work when things aren't rushed - when you get a good feel for the other person's level of common sense and integrity. So many times I've been pushed into getting into a relationship and so many times I've dodged bullets.

Don't ever succumb to a woman's demand of "relationship or no sex" when you're not 100% sure if she's worth investing your time, money and emotions into.
 

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Totally agree with Magma.

Let's be realistic here---most of us arent going to want to be single swinging d1cks our entire lives, no matter how cool it is now. There is a time for everything in life. At some point you'll want something stable, healthy, and strong. There are successful bachelors in their mid-50's, but these guys have already been married, and the game changes at that age. Dating 20-somethings is kind of ridiculous, and women within 15 years or so of that age are already married, divorced, or with children! The 'lonely old man' thing isn't entirely a myth. No, that's not the "matrix" talking, that's reality.

My dad tells me that marriage is sort of a divine conspiracy---it will inevitably change you, for better or for worse. He says the best thing a man can do is WAIT until he is well into his 30's or older, and if you have assets sign a prenup!! No exceptions. He lost a staggering amount of money when his 2nd wife left him and took half the value of his 3/4 million dollar house. Women turn seriously cold when they are done with you. Protect thyself.
 
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