Pathetic Excuse for Males

[Brian Drake]

Last night I had an eye opening experience. This experience is nothing new to some of you, but, for me, it was a look into the mind of the AFC that I have never seen before.

I joined a singles group at my church as we're going through a book called How To Find a Date Worth Keeping. It's a good book full of great Don Juan stuff but not written in the ways we're used to here--the book is aimed at women, too, so the locker room style tips are rewritten to be more palatable. Stay with me.....

During the discussion, the chicks were moaning and wailing about their high standards and how men don't meet them (what's the girl version of AFC?). One single mother complained that men without children don't "understand what I go through" so she only wants men who have kids. Another woman, 35 and never married (a really pretty blonde who was wearing a tight black sweater to show off the twins) said she only dates for marriage purposes and has a ticking bio clock and she's on a schedule so something needs to happen NOW. I wanted to kill myself listening to this.

The men in the group, to whom I have now called Sissy Boys, soon after started their own bit of complaining.

Basically, they are so afraid of approaching women and so tired of being rejected that they want the women to make a move instead. Why not, they say. Why can't women ask men out?

I had remained silent during most of the discussion, but finally spoke out when the AFCs made their remarks. I basically told them they need to grow a pair. Men are the pursuers, the aggressors, and it's our job to do the asking as it has been for ten thousand years.

The men fell silent.

The single mother and the blonde started checking me out.

Pass.

I probably won't be going back. I can read the book on my own.

 

[Brian Drake]

Good for you bro.. But man maybe you should double think the blond with the "twins"

Well it is a tempting thought.

But I know for a fact that the first date will be all about her ticking bio block and it will totally kill the mood.

I've been on dates with women like this before, and all they do is complain. One time I had to work like a madman to keep things light and positive and it was exhausting. Every time I tried to turn the topic around, she brought it right back to where we had been.

 

[Stagger Lee]

But what you did was a clever pandering to the women there while making the guys look bad. I could hear an "AFC" saying "It's the man job to pursue women" in a similar situation and have heard similar. I don't necessarily blame you or say it's bad advice as it's practical, but those guys had a point. If women get to choose their man than the chooser logical should have the burden of initiating. There's no sense in men pursuing hundreds or even thousand of women who aren't choosing him.

What you're saying about men pursuing women for 1000's of years isn't really true. Women didn't have full choice and were glad to be paired of with most any man at a young age. Men didn't go around chasing sluts most their adult life in the past. Heck in the past a woman just about had to be a young virgin to be considered marriage material otherwise she was practically an outcast. Also women couldn't just divorce her husband and take the kids. Modern western culture is far different from the past. Believe or not, not too long ago women pursued men.

 

[Cremasta]

Nicely done, it's always fun to throw a grenade into a conversation and watch what happens

You're right, the normal order of things (as I think it should be) is:

1. Men decide whether or not to ask a girl out.
2. Women decide whether or not to reject that man.

The problem with many guys is that they focus too much on step 2, and don't realise that the real power to make anything happen lies in step 1.
Like you said, they just need to grow a pair. :yes:

 

[Who Dares Win]

But what you did was a clever pandering to the women there while making the guys look bad. I could hear an "AFC" saying "It's the man job to pursue women" in a similar situation and have heard similar. I don't necessarily blame you or say it's bad advice as it's practical, but those guys had a point. If women get to choose their man than the chooser logical should have the burden of initiating. There's no sense in men pursuing hundreds or even thousand of women who aren't choosing him.

What you're saying about men pursuing women for 1000's of years isn't really true. Women didn't have full choice and were glad to be paired of with most any man at a young age. Men didn't go around chasing sluts most their adult life in the past. Heck in the past a woman just about had to be a young virgin to be considered marriage material otherwise she was practically an outcast. Also women couldn't just divorce her husband and take the kids. Modern western culture is far different from the past. Believe or not, not too long ago women pursued men.

That's an interesting point and make much more sense than people think.

Nowadays the final word is from women so that would make sense that they approach, mostly because a man usually doesnt mind banging most of the women while a woman only goes for few men.

Approaching no longer is a plus for men since no longer shows that you have more balls than others, guys approach every time and girls get a dirty pleasure in getting approached for their ego rather than for the possibilieties coming after it.
Wheter is a cold approach or a goddman facebook poke.

In my opinion the best thing would be a woman to signal OPENLY her invitation to approach only when she likes a man and not to lead someone for a ego boost, then the guy do the actual approach.

The dating process would work perfectly if it wasnt for women who rigged it for their own momentary pleasure.
For a woman to signal interest when theres not, would be like a man to pay some actors to pretend a fake marriage.

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

Nicely done, it's always fun to throw a grenade into a conversation and watch what happens

You're right, the normal order of things (as I think it should be) is:

1. Men decide whether or not to ask a girl out.
2. Women decide whether or not to reject that man.

The problem with many guys is that they focus too much on step 2, and don't realise that the real power to make anything happen lies in step 1.
Like you said, they just need to grow a pair. :yes:

Theoretically you are right. But when for every decent looking woman, 25 men are doing step 1, the power completely shifts to step 2.

 

[zekko]

Theoretically you are right. But when for every decent looking woman, 25 men are doing step 1, the power completely shifts to step 2.

Just one more example of why the PUA movement is driving up the value of women. Give it a few more years and there will be 50 men doing step 1 instead of 25.

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

Just one more example of why the PUA movement is driving up the value of women. Give it a few more years and there will be 50 men doing step 1 instead of 25.

Exactly. Women don't realize that when men approach them, it is not because they are so beautiful that the man couldn't resist. He approached her only because he is playing a game.

The fault of the woman is that she sees it as her worth/value. The reality is that the man doesn't even know her to give her any value. She is just a trophy. He has absolutely no respect for her.

She applies this twisted logic to all men. She doesn't realize that her value to a PUA is absolutely nullified to a man looking for a real relationship. That is the pitfall that women fall into, especially online. They think that they have infinite options and they do; but only for sex and sex alone. Their value to a man seeking anything other than just sex is close to zero.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Exactly. Women don't realize that when men approach them, it is not because they are so beautiful that the man couldn't resist. He approached her only because he is playing a game.

The fault of the woman is that she sees it as her worth/value. The reality is that the man doesn't even know her to give her any value. She is just a trophy. He has absolutely no respect for her.

She applies this twisted logic to all men. She doesn't realize that her value to a PUA is absolutely nullified to a man looking for a real relationship. That is the pitfall that women fall into, especially online. They think that they have infinite options and they do; but only for sex and sex alone. Their value to a man seeking anything other than just sex is close to zero.

This message should be copied and spammed in every forum with female viewers.

Ill give you rep as soon as I can.

 

[Serg897]

Exactly. Women don't realize that when men approach them, it is not because they are so beautiful that the man couldn't resist. He approached her only because he is playing a game.

The fault of the woman is that she sees it as her worth/value. The reality is that the man doesn't even know her to give her any value. She is just a trophy. He has absolutely no respect for her.

She applies this twisted logic to all men. She doesn't realize that her value to a PUA is absolutely nullified to a man looking for a real relationship. That is the pitfall that women fall into, especially online. They think that they have infinite options and they do; but only for sex and sex alone. Their value to a man seeking anything other than just sex is close to zero.

 

[spang]

i agree that men should be the ones doing the approaching but when women have unrealisitc expectations of men it ****s you over. they place no value on men who want to get to know them. if i approach a woman she doesnt need my attention because she gets attention all day from men, most of them are men who have more to offer her. she doesnt need you, and basically runs away. if your an average guy youre basically nothing to her. that ****s with your head after awhile.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Exactly. Women don't realize that when men approach them, it is not because they are so beautiful that the man couldn't resist. He approached her only because he is playing a game.

The fault of the woman is that she sees it as her worth/value. The reality is that the man doesn't even know her to give her any value. She is just a trophy. He has absolutely no respect for her.

She applies this twisted logic to all men. She doesn't realize that her value to a PUA is absolutely nullified to a man looking for a real relationship. That is the pitfall that women fall into, especially online. They think that they have infinite options and they do; but only for sex and sex alone. Their value to a man seeking anything other than just sex is close to zero.

What's even worse is even if these women realize most all the men only want them for sex, they still have inflated egos from it. They still hold the position that they should be able to get a relationship with a guy that looks like the hot guys who were maybe drunk and in a slump that hit on them for sex.

Women at best will rationalize that while every guy that hits on them may not want a relationship, they are still deserving of a quality guy (hot looking) who wants a relationship, and they just need to hold out for that one "Mr. Right". Never do they rationalize that their sex value is high and their relationship value is low.

Meanwhile, they sex it up with the hot guys, keep some orbiters around for their quasi-relationship needs, all along holding out and rejecting guys for a relationship who are at their level and in their league.

 

[nismo-4]

You're right, the normal order of things (as I think it should be) is:

1. Men decide whether or not to ask a girl out.
2. Women decide whether or not to reject that man.

The problem with many guys is that they focus too much on step 2, and don't realise that the real power to make anything happen lies in step 1.
Like you said, they just need to grow a pair. :yes:

Women barely approach men. 90% of the time they don't. In the other 10% what else can a man do? Hope? Pray? Wish? Dream? Make a move? Go for it?

The only problem here is that too many guys do step 1. They're doing it too often with women of all looks, and the facts that both the male penis has no social value and the PUA movement keeps spreading doesn't help. Haven't you all realized how much women have a grip on the dating, love, and sex game?

This has caused a lot of entitlement issues and all this high value among women. 5's think they're 9's! In about 2032, the average guy might get locked up for approaching a HB10.

As men, we can approach, make moves, pray for luck, etc. but at the end of the day, women have the final say. The only say so we have is when we want to be in a relationship, and even then the woman has to choose you.

 

[Stagger Lee]

I constantly hear women saying men all just want them for sex. The implication being that women want a relationship.

If women truely wanted a relationship, then they would lower their standards to a guy that wants them for a relationship and improve themselves physically and personality wise to get one.

Obviously they only want a relationship with a hot looking guy who's out of their league.

I wonder how much women's unrealistic standards is due to men willing to lower their standards and sex up girls they are not really into, vs. women just being hyperselective. What's the cause and effect? How much of it is nature vs nurture? Are men being hyper-available to most women the cause of women being hyper-selective or vice versa or both. I tend to think both are independent. But as men are more hyperavailable women become even more hyperselective and vice versa as women become hyperselective men become more available. That's why the PUA movement and promiscuity acceptance has really only benefited women and a small percentage of men.

The bottom line is, only the top percentage of the best looking guys are able to obtain sex with most all of the females. I primarily blame women because the guys not at the top level but at the same level as the female are not being selected by her for a relationship.

 

[omega05]

I constantly hear women saying men all just want them for sex. The implication being that women want a relationship.

If women truely wanted a relationship, then they would lower their standards to a guy that wants them for a relationship and improve themselves physically and personality wise to get one.

Obviously they only want a relationship with a hot looking guy who's out of their league.

I wonder how much women's unrealistic standards is due to men willing to lower their standards and sex up girls they are not really into, vs. women just being hyperselective. What's the cause and effect? How much of it is nature vs nurture? Are men being hyper-available to most women the cause of women being hyper-selective or vice versa or both. I tend to think both are independent. But as men are more hyperavailable women become even more hyperselective and vice versa as women become hyperselective men become more available. That's why the PUA movement and promiscuity acceptance has really only benefited women and a small percentage of men.

The bottom line is, only the top percentage of the best looking guys are able to obtain sex with most all of the females. I primarily blame women because the guys not at the top level but at the same level as the female are not being selected by her for a relationship.

but no women wants to hear they should lower their standards. How would you feel if you're working to buy a Benz but someone told you maybe you should just get a nice Civic?

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

but no women wants to hear they should lower their standards. How would you feel if you're working to buy a Benz but someone told you maybe you should just get a nice Civic?

In this context "lower her standards" is being realistic. She's shopping for a Benz and makes $25k/year. :crackup:

 

[Stagger Lee]

In this context "lower her standards" is being realistic. She's shopping for a Benz and makes $25k/year. :crackup:

Exactly, she's bringing $5k to a car lot (HB5) and expecting to acquire ownership of a new Mercedes (8-9 male). The best she could do is rent or lease it for a short time and give it back up.

If she really wanted to own the car (relationship) like claimed, she needs to settle on a used econocar (5 male) or get more money (self improvement, lose weight, work harder, improve her attitude).

Contrast that with men. They are coming in with $20-$30k (6-8 male), and only getting econocars (HB5) for a short term lease or rental.

 

[Burroughs]

Exactly, she's bringing $5k to a car lot (HB5) and expecting to acquire ownership of a new Mercedes (8-9 male). The best she could do is rent or lease it for a short time and give it back up.

If she really wanted to own the car (relationship) like claimed, she needs to settle on a used econocar (5 male) or get more money (self improvement, lose weight, work harder, improve her attitude).

Contrast that with men. They are coming in with $20-$30k (6-8 male), and only getting econocars (HB5) for a short term lease or rental.

Agree 100%

except for one critical fact

By society's standard's a man's inherent personhood is worthless...society dictates that men are only valuable for the utility they offer women.

naturally this is utter bullsh!t and quite dehumanizing.

however it is the truth as far as society is concerned.

The individual male that doesnt understand societies required indifference to individual male desire, he may very well seek solace, in the fantasy that there exist...

somewhere ...

a kind, caring exceptionally warm woman that willl demand of him, only what he demands of her, simple companionship and affection. therein lies the danger, this is what motivates men like MJ or Kobe bryant to pair up with one woman in marriage and take great financial risk in doing so.

for all of our incredible powers of logical reasoning, we cant logically conclude, that women never did like us... for us.

such an epiphany, would thrust the individual male into a darkness that has for eons terrified him. he is alone. and unless he does something useful nobody will see any intrinsic value in him.

This raking clawing threat is compounded many times over in men of wealth and status like Michael jordan, his wealth and fame, compounds the need for a genuine connection with a single, and in his mind incorruptible female. Icredibly wealthy and emotionally needy men are the holy grail of the predatory western parasite after all.

 

[Poonani Maker]

You gave me an epiphany. I'm going to hit up all of the churches in a 20 mile radius of me starting next week. I don't care what religion it is. I'll go there and see what I can score..

 

[Cremasta]

Agree 100%

except for one critical fact

By society's standard's a man's inherent personhood is worthless...society dictates that men are only valuable for the utility they offer women.

naturally this is utter bullsh!t and quite dehumanizing.

however it is the truth as far as society is concerned.

Yep, and personally I blame Oprah.

The good thing though, is that a lot of social research is starting to come through showing that men are a lot more important in family situations than to just be the breadwinner. Stabilising influences on their kids (both boys and girls) and all that...
Income capacity will become less important and other parts of the package that you offer will become more important.
Of course not every girl wants a family or kids, but there will be a flow on effect (social proof).

Won't happen tonight though.