NewDude001
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I was ALWAYS trying to eat healthy my entire life. I don't ever recall eating french fries or drinking soda, not even as a little kid. Nice try though 
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Paleolithic Lifestyle and Diet = Ideal
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organizedconfusion
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flippinfreak
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Thanks man, that brought back so many fun memory's from Highschoolorganizedconfusion said:
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
Eskimos don't eat beef, chicken, or pork, right?
Skilla_Staz
Master Don Juan
Eskimos also need lots of bodyfat, to keep themselves warm in the winter. I think. They don't have cattle, chicken or pigs readily available, so they eat whales, seals, small game that runs around in those areas, etc.
I'm not an Eskimo though, so I can't tell you for sure.
I'm not an Eskimo though, so I can't tell you for sure.
organizedconfusion
Master Don Juan
part two chronicles an experiment at a hospital where during a controled study of patients were put on various diet, one of lean meats,fatty meats and something else i forgot (details right? i know ) and it showed that when people were put on a diet high in fats and protein, their overall health rose.And when eating a lean meats no fats diet, it declined.In other studies, it showed that BURNT or meats that were cooked in extremly high tempetures were to blame for carcinagenic activity and cancer, NOT the meats itself and that processed meats (sauceages ,hams,bacon etc.)were to blame (sodium nitrates,perservatives and additives) for cancers in the colon and such. it's interesting no doubt, because it seems like meat and saturated fat has had such a bad rap nowadays...personaly i eat steaks and chicken all the time ,as long as it dosen't get compacted in my colon and i am crapping on a regular basis..it's all good!
) and it showed that when people were put on a diet high in fats and protein, their overall health rose.And when eating a lean meats no fats diet, it declined.In other studies, it showed that BURNT or meats that were cooked in extremly high tempetures were to blame for carcinagenic activity and cancer, NOT the meats itself and that processed meats (sauceages ,hams,bacon etc.)were to blame (sodium nitrates,perservatives and additives) for cancers in the colon and such. it's interesting no doubt, because it seems like meat and saturated fat has had such a bad rap nowadays...personaly i eat steaks and chicken all the time ,as long as it dosen't get compacted in my colon and i am crapping on a regular basis..it's all good! Shiftkey
Master Don Juan
organizedconfusion,
Saturated fat has been proven over hundreds, if not thousands of studies, to raise LDL cholestoral and lower HDL cholestoral. Scientists aren't just talking out of their ass when they say excess saturated fat is bad for your health. You can't take the results of a single study as fact (despite what the media will tell you ).
Saturated fat has been proven over hundreds, if not thousands of studies, to raise LDL cholestoral and lower HDL cholestoral. Scientists aren't just talking out of their ass when they say excess saturated fat is bad for your health. You can't take the results of a single study as fact (despite what the media will tell you
).Skilla_Staz
Master Don Juan
Yes, saturated fat is exactly that. Saturated. Sure, MCT are saturated fats, and are relatively good for you in decent amounts, however, those are exceptions. Excess of anything will do you harm. Saturated fats are definitely one of those. More so than others, I believe.
organizedconfusion
Master Don Juan
here is a link to a few more articles on the subject of fats and health-
http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/21/trans_fat.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/21/trans_fat.htm
Shiftkey
Master Don Juan
Trans fat is worse than saturated fat, but saturated fat is still bad for you. The non-trans fat margerine in your link is actually saturated fat (same as butter) that is made through a more expensive process of hydrogenation. Companies are starting to use this more expensive process because the FDA is requiring companies to list trans fat on their labels as of this year, and people are finally wising up a little.
And no, Skilla_Staz, no amount of saturated fat is good for you. The only type of fat that is good for you is monounsaturated fat.
Here's a basic breakdown.
Trans fat: raises LDL lowers HDL and is harder for the body to use
Saturated fat: raises LDL lowers HDL
Polyunsaturated fat: raises LDL and HDL
Monounsaturated fat: lowers LDL raises HDL
And no, Skilla_Staz, no amount of saturated fat is good for you. The only type of fat that is good for you is monounsaturated fat.
Here's a basic breakdown.
Trans fat: raises LDL lowers HDL and is harder for the body to use
Saturated fat: raises LDL lowers HDL
Polyunsaturated fat: raises LDL and HDL
Monounsaturated fat: lowers LDL raises HDL
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
I think the paleo diet is premised on the idea of a clean Earth, which we don't have anymore. Maybe meat from a free-range animal in an unpolluted environment would be healthy, but meat from the grocery store is full of antibiotics and hormones. Factory-farmed animals are raised in an environment that is very far from natural. There are virtually no large wild game animals left in the US. The ranchers killed almost all of the wolves, so the deer population is only held in check by human hunting, and is sickly and partially infected with chronic wasting disease (mad deer.) The wolves weeded out the old and the sick deer, but hunters take the biggest one they see.
If there was a pristine environment in which to hunt and gather, the paleo diet would make more sense. But grocery-store food seems to be a poor substitute for anything found by paleo man.
If there was a pristine environment in which to hunt and gather, the paleo diet would make more sense. But grocery-store food seems to be a poor substitute for anything found by paleo man.
Skilla_Staz
Master Don Juan
There are companies that specialize in free range animals. Most of the ones I've seen are out in the middle of nowhere. Doesn't seem to be much pollution there.
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
True. It tends to be expensive, but very worthwhile, imo. I think cattle are probably the cleanest in general, excluding most veal production. Non-free range chickens and hogs live in ridiculous little boxes, festering in their own filth.
The history involved in the rationale for the paleo diet is interesting, especially since most of it is theory and circumstantial evidence. From what I am reading, the line between the hunter-gatherer and agricultural time periods is very blurry. Early man may have been "proto-farming" as far back as 40,000 years ago, managing wild plants and animals but not entirely sedentary.
But a cow, even a free range one, is not the same as a wild animal, especially one from a long time ago. Domestication and breeding have changed the meat to taste better. Wild animals are lower in fat, and tend to have a "gamey" taste.
The history involved in the rationale for the paleo diet is interesting, especially since most of it is theory and circumstantial evidence. From what I am reading, the line between the hunter-gatherer and agricultural time periods is very blurry. Early man may have been "proto-farming" as far back as 40,000 years ago, managing wild plants and animals but not entirely sedentary.
But a cow, even a free range one, is not the same as a wild animal, especially one from a long time ago. Domestication and breeding have changed the meat to taste better. Wild animals are lower in fat, and tend to have a "gamey" taste.
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The theory is sound. We don't get enough fat. But the execution can trip you up. Mass produced meat is only "slightly" better than a carbohydrate rich diet. And here's why...
*~Mass produced beef, meat, poultry, and fish, are, by and large, injected with hormones. They are also fed cheap quality food to "beef" them up. And the old adage...you are what you eat, holds true for what you consume. It's merely LIFE eating LIFE. So if you eat things that consume crap, you consume the crap they consume, and so on. Mass produced animals and fish are suspect to a host of chemicals, pesticides, hormones, herbicides, diseases, and unnatural processes that normal food or wild food wouldn't be. That alone only makes the diet THAT much better.
Why do you think it's so cheap now to buy cattle or fish for consumption?
Carbohydrates are really the only, endless arena where companies that are in the business of making food can innovate FOREVER. Even companies like Coke, who you would think would hit the innovative wall, flavor-up their sodas, in addition to buying companies. Carbs are for the most part, man-made. You have juices, but MOST juices are not direct from the fruit. In fact, unless you juice it, they aren't, and they're missing the necessary components on store-bought juice to be considered NUTRITIONAL. They're wonderful tasting, but they're not good at all for the body. And most things, in the long-run, are poison if they're not good. Store bought juices lack the fiber in fruit, the naturally occuring enzymes that aid digestion and absorption, and the actual, undiscovered, nutrients and vitamins.
The center pice of Grocery Stores is generally the most damaging to health. In most food marts, that's where the carbs or man-made foods are found, and where they should REALLY put the BIG Pharma companies for heart disease, cancer, and diabetes.
I would eat nuts like, Almonds.
I would find and eat as natural and fresh veggies as you can find.
I would eat fruit sparingly, or if it's juiced.
I would eat meat, and focus on eating natural, free range meat.
I would eat fish, fresh fish to be exact.
I would indulge as I needed to remain sane, or to reward myself.
I would dairy like the plague.
I would avoid all sorts of preservatives and additives.
I would avoid MSG, aspartame, and ALL sweetner additives.
I would avoid as many prescription drugs as possible.
I would avoid as many chemical additives to the skin as possible, such as creams, lotions, etc.
The mentality in health shouldn't be...What do I need to take? Rather...you should ask...What could be causing this? Most times, unnatural processes of the body are the result of unnatural input but the user. Crap in, crap out. Not literally.
There's a host of problems, and modern society has created them. Not that we can't find our personal utopia, in the mountains, or hills, or beaches, but we have to strive for that, and that to me, is one piece of being here, as I stated before when Warboss left. That each person contributes like a "tribe," to the overall goodness. However, unlike society, we can't harbor weak tribal members, they harm the safety of all. Rather, we have to show them HOW to fish, how to hunt, how to lead, and left them do it. It has to be done through action and with tough love. This medicating, pacify nature only leads to further weakened men, or tribal members. The ills of modern society has its benefits.
Certainly the workplace is safer. And you have options you didn't have when persuing a career. Access to capital markets is better than it was. Modern society has also lopped off many mundane tasks we needed to survive daily. And has cleaned up the garbage of poor plumbing. Yet, if you look at the internal health of humans over the large masses and look at their mental health, you see an entirely different picture. You see lots of people who live within the confines of their mind, rather than the world. People who feed their bodies, not out of need, but of pleasure. It's all consumption of SOME emotion. We've biased many of the foundations of Maslow's hierarchy of needs and I'm not sure that's a good place to be without better balance than we have. Not that what I want matters for the other 6 billion people, only that I'd like everyone the same opportunity at eye-opening information and free thought, since most thought isn't free. It's just gleaned from someone or somewhere else, so you're not really thinking, you're just parroting.
All that said...all around us, at least in cities and nearby suburbs, are poisons. From the water supply, to the food supply, to the lack of trees and vegetation to provide oygen, to the lack of sunlight had by people over-enjoying their 300 channels.
This is all me. What I do know is, all you TRULY care about your health, so it's vital you know your health, care for it, and understand. All this hoopla that we don't need to because our "benevolent father" or doctors or supplement companies is bunk. Too much responsibility is displaced. Too much litigation is the result. Take FULL responsibility for each and every choice, to where you stick your prick, to what you put in your mouth, and when push comes to shove, you won't make excuses, you'll take action.
A-Unit
The theory is sound. We don't get enough fat. But the execution can trip you up. Mass produced meat is only "slightly" better than a carbohydrate rich diet. And here's why...
*~Mass produced beef, meat, poultry, and fish, are, by and large, injected with hormones. They are also fed cheap quality food to "beef" them up. And the old adage...you are what you eat, holds true for what you consume. It's merely LIFE eating LIFE. So if you eat things that consume crap, you consume the crap they consume, and so on. Mass produced animals and fish are suspect to a host of chemicals, pesticides, hormones, herbicides, diseases, and unnatural processes that normal food or wild food wouldn't be. That alone only makes the diet THAT much better.
Why do you think it's so cheap now to buy cattle or fish for consumption?
Carbohydrates are really the only, endless arena where companies that are in the business of making food can innovate FOREVER. Even companies like Coke, who you would think would hit the innovative wall, flavor-up their sodas, in addition to buying companies. Carbs are for the most part, man-made. You have juices, but MOST juices are not direct from the fruit. In fact, unless you juice it, they aren't, and they're missing the necessary components on store-bought juice to be considered NUTRITIONAL. They're wonderful tasting, but they're not good at all for the body. And most things, in the long-run, are poison if they're not good. Store bought juices lack the fiber in fruit, the naturally occuring enzymes that aid digestion and absorption, and the actual, undiscovered, nutrients and vitamins.
The center pice of Grocery Stores is generally the most damaging to health. In most food marts, that's where the carbs or man-made foods are found, and where they should REALLY put the BIG Pharma companies for heart disease, cancer, and diabetes.
I would eat nuts like, Almonds.
I would find and eat as natural and fresh veggies as you can find.
I would eat fruit sparingly, or if it's juiced.
I would eat meat, and focus on eating natural, free range meat.
I would eat fish, fresh fish to be exact.
I would indulge as I needed to remain sane, or to reward myself.
I would dairy like the plague.
I would avoid all sorts of preservatives and additives.
I would avoid MSG, aspartame, and ALL sweetner additives.
I would avoid as many prescription drugs as possible.
I would avoid as many chemical additives to the skin as possible, such as creams, lotions, etc.
The mentality in health shouldn't be...What do I need to take? Rather...you should ask...What could be causing this? Most times, unnatural processes of the body are the result of unnatural input but the user. Crap in, crap out. Not literally.
There's a host of problems, and modern society has created them. Not that we can't find our personal utopia, in the mountains, or hills, or beaches, but we have to strive for that, and that to me, is one piece of being here, as I stated before when Warboss left. That each person contributes like a "tribe," to the overall goodness. However, unlike society, we can't harbor weak tribal members, they harm the safety of all. Rather, we have to show them HOW to fish, how to hunt, how to lead, and left them do it. It has to be done through action and with tough love. This medicating, pacify nature only leads to further weakened men, or tribal members. The ills of modern society has its benefits.
Certainly the workplace is safer. And you have options you didn't have when persuing a career. Access to capital markets is better than it was. Modern society has also lopped off many mundane tasks we needed to survive daily. And has cleaned up the garbage of poor plumbing. Yet, if you look at the internal health of humans over the large masses and look at their mental health, you see an entirely different picture. You see lots of people who live within the confines of their mind, rather than the world. People who feed their bodies, not out of need, but of pleasure. It's all consumption of SOME emotion. We've biased many of the foundations of Maslow's hierarchy of needs and I'm not sure that's a good place to be without better balance than we have. Not that what I want matters for the other 6 billion people, only that I'd like everyone the same opportunity at eye-opening information and free thought, since most thought isn't free. It's just gleaned from someone or somewhere else, so you're not really thinking, you're just parroting.
All that said...all around us, at least in cities and nearby suburbs, are poisons. From the water supply, to the food supply, to the lack of trees and vegetation to provide oygen, to the lack of sunlight had by people over-enjoying their 300 channels.
This is all me. What I do know is, all you TRULY care about your health, so it's vital you know your health, care for it, and understand. All this hoopla that we don't need to because our "benevolent father" or doctors or supplement companies is bunk. Too much responsibility is displaced. Too much litigation is the result. Take FULL responsibility for each and every choice, to where you stick your prick, to what you put in your mouth, and when push comes to shove, you won't make excuses, you'll take action.
A-Unit
Shiftkey
Master Don Juan
Free range chicken is largely a myth. For the first few weeks they live in the same sh1t infested boxed up house. Then the last 2 weeks of their life, the farmers open up their cages and the door to the barn and let them walk around a fenced in area. Guess what - the chickens never do because they've been conditioned to live in their sh1t infested box house.
PeterNorthisawesome
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Ok so I should eat meat, veg, fruit during every meal. How about bread, pasta, milk, cheese, butter, eggs? are those bad for you too? I think people should just avoid eating processed sugar and fat.
NewDude001
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Err, well, pasta and bread are both processed so they're out. Eggs are fine, I think men have been eating eggs for quite some time without any problems. Milk has been shown to be bad for you, it's really your decision though (personally I just eat meat for protein and veggies + suppl for calcium). Cheese and butter are once again up to you, they're not as bad as bread and pasteurized milk would be for you, but I'd suggest limiting cheese and using olive oil instead of butter.PeterNorthisawesome said:
PeterNorthisawesome
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How are u suppose to get enough protein without milk, bread and pasta? Eating one chicken is only 30 grams of protein. So is peanut butter bad for you too? how about organic milk, cheese and butter are those good?NewDude001 said:
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I don't find it too hard to get enough protein since it's like 50% of my diet. I eat eggs/omelet in the morning. During the day I eat a bunch of cooked salmon with veggies. At night I eat either pork or beef again with veggies or some pea soup.
I must admit I've never bothered to calculate how many grams of protein that is, but with the almonds that I eat all day long and all the fish and meat I'm getting more than enough.
Btw, milk is bad out of principle; other animals don't drink other animal's milk and neither should we. Not to mention we didn't start drinking milk until some 8-10,000 years ago so we're not evolved to process it, that's why most people are lactose intolerant to some degree. If you do choose to drink milk, I'd suggest raw or the closest thing to raw that you can find.
I must admit I've never bothered to calculate how many grams of protein that is, but with the almonds that I eat all day long and all the fish and meat I'm getting more than enough.
Btw, milk is bad out of principle; other animals don't drink other animal's milk and neither should we. Not to mention we didn't start drinking milk until some 8-10,000 years ago so we're not evolved to process it, that's why most people are lactose intolerant to some degree. If you do choose to drink milk, I'd suggest raw or the closest thing to raw that you can find.
Bible_Belt
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Wouldn't the paleo diet dictate eating wild animals instead of domesticated farm animals? Grains were domesticated from the wild, much like cows and pigs. I don't see how eating a domesticated animal is different from eating a domesticated grain.