Pac Is on ROIDS

[rocksoff]

Anybody who follow's boxing knows about the Accusations against Manny Paquiao......there's been suspicion of him using HGH. After watching his pre- Cotto fight's and the fight with Cotto I was pretty convinced that he was juicing or something. The nail in the coffin is Pac refusing to take the Olympic Blood testing before his fight with Mayweather claiming that He's afraid of needles and that drawing blood will make him weaker....all while Mayweather is more than willing to take the test.What do you guys think? Is Pac on roids , or is he really afraid of needles and being weakened? Seem's to me after the Mayweather Jr. incident he is definitely juicing

 

[Ken785]

Seems to me somone needs to get off mayweather's c0ck.

 

[vagrant]

Manny Pacquiao is on steroids because he's f*ckin exceptionally great? Sh!t, let me give you a whole list of dudes on steroids then. Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Muhammad Ali, Bruce Lee, man I can go on and on and on. Anyone you think is an All Time Great had USED STEROIDS.

Come on people, let's just snap out of this. Floyd Mayweather IS NOT an All Time Great Fighter. His record really does not speak of it. What he has done does not show it. And if Manny Pacquiao whoops his @ss? What then?

The sooner that you understand that there is NO WAY Floyd is going to win this fight against Manny Pacquiao, the better you'll understand what this steroid accusations are all about.

 

[vagrant]

This is the last time I'm going to talk about this steroid issue ever again.

Again, if you're a boxing fan you know what I'm talking about. On the first Pacquiao vs Morales fight, Pacquiao gave blood 5 days before the fight. Everything came out negative. On the 24/7 of Pacquiao vs Hatton fight, Pacquiao was seen giving blood. The test again, came out negative. Blood, urine, everything, passed.

I'm only going to say this once and if you don't get it then there are so many things you need to learn, because it tells me there are lots of truth in this world you just cannot accept.

"Floyd Mayweather is AFRAID of Manny Pacquiao".

Floyd calls himself MONEY! He tells the whole world if the MONEY is right he will fight. This is the BIGGEST amount of money he will ever get in all of his life so why not take the fight?

I smell FEAR all over Floyd's camp.

 

[MikeBrown30]

What about Henry Armstrong? I suppose he used steroids as well?

Floyd wants olympic style testing......in other words he has no faith in the current testing employed by NSAC for this fight. He hasn't made a stink about it for his other 40 fights. Just more mind games by Kentucky Floyd Chicken.

Pac is only refusing blood testing up to a week prior to the fight, because he feels it will weaken him. Anytime before that is fine, and a blood test directly after the fight is fine by him. There's already a thread going on this anyway.

 

[rocksoff]

I dont really care that Bruce Lee and Kobe Bryant and whoever were on roids, They are illegal in competitive boxing and Pac-man should be willing to do ANYTHING to clear his name......Manny has dropped the fight with Floyd and is looking to fight Paulie Malignaggi, who is also accusing Pac of HGH but will not require that he takes the blood testing, WHY WOULDNT PAQUIAO JUST TAKE THE BLOOD TEST? It doesnt change the fight and could only help his already insane career....but no, he only will submit to testing that every boxer acknowledges wll not detect if he is using HGH,anybody in pac's position that had nothing to hide would happily take the test.....

 

[Colossus]

There is currently no test that can detect HGH use.

If you don't think fighters, football players, and other contact athletes dont use it, then you are out of touch with reality.

If he refused an IOC-standard drug test on the grounds of being "weaker" after a blood draw, he is hiding something. Guaranteed.

Performance enhancing drugs are part of sports. Get over it.

 

[blinkwatt101]

HGH can be detected....just not consistently. How do you think Doctors judge whether or not to prescribe it to patients?

Every sport has member who use and abuse performance enhancing substances.

Whats the difference between taking the OTC tren, AAS or some form of GH? Nothing. What about creatine? It's a legal known substance that has adverse effects when used improperly. But no one cares about that.

Personally,I believe that if you are in a sport that has performance enhancing drugs banned,you should be banned for using them. But there are always ways around it, there is always something newer and better out there, that isn't testable.

What makes you think he is a using a performance enhancing substance?

 

[rocksoff]

The way Manny reacted to Floyd Mayweathers accusations show's that he has something to hide......He agree's to take any kind of testing EXCEPT the only test that can prove he is using HGH, Mayweather know's this and it was all up to Manny to clear his name by simply submitting to the testing, but instead Pac decides to sue Mayweathers camp and reschedule the fight with someone who wont require the test, If you were Floyd Mayweather....Would you put your record on the line against someone like Manny Paquiao after he refused to submit to the testing? Probably not

 

[blinkwatt101]

Your argument seems pretty biased from my standpoint. And I don't prefer boxing,so I'm not taking a side in this case,rather enjoy a good discussion about sports.

Coming from someone who likes to run sub 5% bodyfat for fun in the summer I get EXTREMELY anal about how I eat. i.e. I don't touch food I didn't make nor can confirm that they are fresh. Now this is what I do for fun,I even yell at people who try messing with my food. Paquiao boxes,he boxes for a living,it's his life,it's his reputation. It's means a lot to him. If you read ESPN's article on the subject you would see that he would submit blood up to 1 week before the fight,urine test through the fight. That seems very reasonable. Now losing blood take cells to rebuild. Cells that shouldn't have to necessarily replace if he takes the Nevada Testing(I don't know the specific boxing council name in Nevada). Trying to hide something? I wouldn't think so,cause if you have known people who use PED,you'd know the effects aren't just pure muscle,speed and endurance. If you are using AAS,serious AAS you keep alot of water,almost giving you a puffy look and increasing weight by a lot.....NOT something you want for boxing.

 

[rocksoff]

I can see why you say my opinion is biased, but if Pac would simply agree to take the test that would 100% clear of him his accusations, I would be voting for him in the ring against Mayweather......Instead he acted like he did and made a big deal out of something that could have been resolved by drawing some blood, Floyd is willing to undergo the same exact testing. No argument Manny is a sick boxer.....it's the only reason this is happening to him, but if you were a Pro Boxer watching Manny's progression and were scheduled to fight him, you would want this done also

 

[Wiesman44]

OP, you are indeed quite ignorant. HGH and steroids are 2 completely different drugs, lol. They don't neary have the same effect

 

[Man_CA]

Manny did agreed to take a blood test after the fight. Floyd is scared of the PacMan.

If they do fight, Manny will tear him up.

 

[EA Gold]

Imagine someone in this forum accusing you of taking drugs or steroids with ZERO PROOF, and does it in a daily bases and talks in press reports and on TV..

This is just a ploy to postpone the fight but i do know for certain, the fight will happen, and the right man who truly deserves it will win it.

Manny Pacquiao!

 

[Gaucho]

I can completely see the point of the OP.

I am surprised how much Mayweather agreed upon as far as gloves and weight division, yet Pac talks about a 'psychological effect' of having blood taken within 30 days of the fight, yet had blood taken before the Hatton fight. Something doesn't smell right here.

MikeBrown, it is well documented Henry Armstrong had an extemelly abnormal heart rate, but what about Aaron Pryor?

Pac needs to accept the tests, simple as that. It is not a big deal and his most recent excuse is just that, as witnessed by his previous admission to the tests for the Hatton fight.

As for the fight, it will be very very close, nobody really knows the outcome of this one, except typical bias kids.

 

[vagrant]

I can completely see the point of the OP.

I am surprised how much Mayweather agreed upon as far as gloves and weight division, yet Pac talks about a 'psychological effect' of having blood taken within 30 days of the fight, yet had blood taken before the Hatton fight. Something doesn't smell right here.

MikeBrown, it is well documented Henry Armstrong had an extemelly abnormal heart rate, but what about Aaron Pryor?

Pac needs to accept the tests, simple as that. It is not a big deal and his most recent excuse is just that, as witnessed by his previous admission to the tests for the Hatton fight.

As for the fight, it will be very very close, nobody really knows the outcome of this one, except typical bias kids.

Read before you post bro.

Pacquiao is willing to take the blood test 5 days before the fight and another one right after the fight!

Floyd wants the random blood testing so the company he wants to hire to do the random blood testing will randomly take Pacquiao's blood 10 seconds before the fight.

If you don't get that go and s*ck Mayweather's d*ck!

If you do then peace amigo.

 

[Gaucho]

Read before you post bro.

Pacquiao is willing to take the blood test 5 days before the fight and another one right after the fight!

Floyd wants the random blood testing so the company he wants to hire to do the random blood testing will randomly take Pacquiao's blood 10 seconds before the fight.

If you don't get that go and s*ck Mayweather's d*ck!

If you do then peace amigo.

I guess Miguel, who became very close to Pac, 'sucks Mayweathers d*ck'. lol. Typical bias kid statement, I've seen many of you in my time in the sport.

http://www.fightnews.com/

 

[vagrant]

I guess Miguel, who became very close to Pac, 'sucks Mayweathers d*ck'. lol. Typical bias kid statement, I've seen many of you in my time in the sport.

http://www.fightnews.com/

Look man, I'm just pissed at Mayweather and anyone who actually gives a sh*t about this guy. Look, I'm not trying to be racist or anything. I don't know if you're black or whatever but man we just have to let this guy go. There are tons of great black athlete out there besides Mayweather. He's just in his own world.

Sit on the side line for a minute and really let it in your heart and soul what this guy's been saying all along.

He said he'll beat Pacquiao easier than Marquez. Ever since day one he tells the whole world Pacquiao is a good LITTLE MAN but he ain't no match for him. He was asked if he can beat Pacquiao he said ABSOLUTELY.

Come on man, how are you gonna say all this sh*t and then run away from a fight against the so called LITTLE MAN. Oh I know, Pacquiao is on steroids. Come on man, we all know he's clean. He's done everything from blood test to urine test.

Mayweather needs to man up and fight Pacquiao if not he should just retire. Plain and simple.

 

[6-heads lewis]

I can completely see the point of the OP.

I am surprised how much Mayweather agreed upon as far as gloves and weight division, yet Pac talks about a 'psychological effect' of having blood taken within 30 days of the fight, yet had blood taken before the Hatton fight. Something doesn't smell right here.

MikeBrown, it is well documented Henry Armstrong had an extemelly abnormal heart rate, but what about Aaron Pryor?

Pac needs to accept the tests, simple as that. It is not a big deal and his most recent excuse is just that, as witnessed by his previous admission to the tests for the Hatton fight.

As for the fight, it will be very very close, nobody really knows the outcome of this one, except typical bias kids.

When dealing with Pactards, any semblance of reason goes out the window. There's frankly no point in talking to them. And you may be overestimating the general capacity of this forum.

How things been bro? I stopped gambling as the ups and downs were too frustrating, maybe I'll go back later. How's investing? The best bet I see coming up is Kessler over Froch at under -200. I think he's tailor-made for Kessler.

On Pac-Mayweather, this was my prediction: "Mayweather will land the more meaningful punches, Pacquiao will simply throw more. This will be similar to Pac-Marquez 1 and 2, hopefully the crackpot judges get it right this time and give it Floyd. I'd bet my house that Harold Lederman will score it for Pac. He simply follows compubox and gives rounds to the fighter who throws more, regardless of if they land at all."

Pac's recent performances raise reasonable suspicion, and there is no sensible reason for him to say no these stringent tests. It's not normal for a 30yr old athlete to suddenly blow up like that, and to go up 3 weight classes and to actually improve his explosive power. There are examples everywhere of great athletes going up 1 division too many, often only a few pounds, and looking out of place - JM Marquez above 126, R Marquez at 122, Darchinyan vs Agbeko, Paul Williams is going back to 147, Pavlik at 170, Mosley at 154 against Wright, Diaz moving up against Malignaggi, BJ Penn vs GSP, etc.

For christ's sake, look at Pacquiao's head! He looks like a bowling ball on a stick. This is a man who has been training his entire life, using world-class training methods. His body has been stretched to it's limits for years now. How did he suddenly gain around 15lbs of pure muscle mass in 18 months? That's extremely rare.

Pac not only couldn't hurt but got beat by Marquez at 130, now he's able to batter Cotto 18 months later? He probably didn't cheat, but how can he refuse the tests?

 

[6-heads lewis]

Let's hear a Pac fan spin on this:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2009/12/25/2009-12-25_a_test_of_ethics.html

"This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.

Those are disturbing requests."

"Arum's schedule has a loophole big enough for a cheating elephant to step through. It seems Pacquiao has trouble with the term "random," which is the linchpin of any reputable drug testing program. And the argument that he would be weakened if he were to take a blood test the week of the fight doesn't hold water.

"The amount of blood taken is so small it will have zero effect on performance," said Dr. Gary Wadler, the World Anti-Doping Agency chairman of the Prohibited List Committee. "It's really inconsequential when you take into account the total blood volume in the human body. It's not a valid argument."