You just did.
Okay, then he/they are the sub-5 in looks (especially with how women would rate them / if they put up their photo on photofeeler, etc...)
Those are the sub-8s.
This tells me two things, you have no chadlite/chad friends. Therefore your reality of women as a chaslite/chad is doing to be dramatically different from theirs as a sub-8 (without the mental/personality/social kills), and the sub5. Until you walk a mile in their shoes you don't know what they are experiencing.
A sub-8 with no game and a sub-5 get about the same results unless there is a warm social circle game or you are in another country where you are taller than the average guy there (ie and whiter too).
I think some of you guys are far too fixated on the whole "chad" / looks thing. This is something that I think is more of an internet thing because I can't say i've ever really encountered it off the 'net. Being a chad isn't a "silver bullet" as even chads face their own problems. Just because they have looks doesn't mean they are intelligent, good decision makers or even decent people. They can and still do fall into the traps that ensnare most people and a lot wreck their lives. Lots also have problems with women because they have their own mental hang-ups and insecurities.
I have a decent appearance (in my estimation) and a good relationship with women. I've gotten "hot" girls before. I have already stated on here that I believe my appearance helped make it possible...but I also have friends who have done better than I have, real genuine "playboys" and half of them are no better looking then I am. Some people would probably even say they are 1 or 2 points below - one thing they all have in common? They are really cool guys, very outgoing, great personalities. They are successful not only in their careers but also relationships, all the facets of their life. They have great energy and you want to be around them.....this goes back to my point in the previous post - people just focus on the looks part and want to cut out the other half of the equation.
To be brutally honest I think it is because looks are a convenient excuse to not have to do anything. If you aren't good looking you can convince yourself you don't have to try; why exert yourself because life was cruel in the genetic lottery department? Yet if we are honest we see so called average/below average looking men with girlfriends/wives, sometimes good looking one's, every time we step outside. Why is that? Clearly things aren't so cut and dry because otherwise this wouldn't be happening and some of these guys end up having better dating lives then men who are thought to have the "advantages".
I can't say I know what every guy truly feels or has experienced, but from getting to know the many that I have and talking about this stuff, a lot of the one's that struggle do so because they sabotage themselves. Maybe they did suffer a bad rejection or got embarrassed badly by a woman in the past - instead of viewing as it a one time thing and leaving it in the past where it should be, they've made it their life story. They assume it will always happen because of their looks or whatever reason they've convinced themselves of and project their insecurities and bad attitudes onto other people/women - of course they end up having a hard time. Why wouldn't they when they are mentally disordered and loopsided? Doesn't take a women long after interacting with said guy they know he aint the one.
I can respect your viewpoint and will read it if you decide to reply but I won't be adding anything further on this as already replied enough & the topic is honestly a waste of time to discuss.
