Over 1/2 of men say world is female dominated - but why do men take no action?

[Warrior74]

Courts...well if you make her pregnant then you will pay and you will pay well even if it means no fancy things for you. And no you don't have the right to see the child if she does not want to, because it will put stress/conflicting thoughts on the child. The child is to be protected not an adult male.
Of course when the mother is nuts or uses the money for herself thats bad. But I know couple of examples when the mother was ordered no contact from court. In general> father should pay...why should I or anybody else pay for it just because he feels betrayed.

You obviously don't have children. Or you don't love the ones you have. You must be a troll or worse, not very bright. If I have no rights to my child, I have to responsibilitie$ either. That's only fair. For a man to be financially responsible and not morally, physically, or mentally responsible for a child is ridiculous. And you cannot be morally, physically, or mentally responsible for a child you aren't allowed to even see. It's all or nothing, otherwise it is unfair to both the child and the father. Let her raise it alone, with no support if she wants to deny the father. Who said she is more important to the child than the father is?

So it's bad when the mother is nuts or misuses funds? How does that get corrected in your little Faggy Euro world view? Oops too bad, your money is gone and your kid is going to be complete screwed up..but...you can't make an omelet with out breaking a few eggs right? Again...you don't care for children. Why should a man pay for being betrayed? The liar should pay. That's how fraud works.

 

[englishman]

I think that there are 3 tiers of power.

Elite men, 5% of men or less
Women
Men

Hey Maxtro, I think your right on the money!

 

[DanelMadr]

You obviously don't have children. Or you don't love the ones you have. You must be a troll or worse, not very bright. If I have no rights to my child, I have to responsibilitie$ either. That's only fair. For a man to be financially responsible and not morally, physically, or mentally responsible for a child is ridiculous. And you cannot be morally, physically, or mentally responsible for a child you aren't allowed to even see. It's all or nothing, otherwise it is unfair to both the child and the father. Let her raise it alone, with no support if she wants to deny the father. Who said she is more important to the child than the father is?

I know it is tough to leave a child you love alone. But it is necessary in case you are on daggers with child's mother. Unfair to father? F@ck him. I know many fathers are alright, pay for their kids and take care of them when they are with him. However paying for the child gives you ZERO right to seeing them and returning them dirty and in emotional mess.

Courts prefer shared care, when both parents share time with the child. And if the mother is strongly opposed to that...well she is a b1tch and sometimes she will win and if she does...guess what...why did you impregnated that b1tch in the first place?

So it's bad when the mother is nuts or misuses funds? How does that get corrected in your little Faggy Euro world view? Oops too bad, your money is gone and your kid is going to be complete screwed up..but...you can't make an omelet with out breaking a few eggs right? Again...you don't care for children. Why should a man pay for being betrayed? The liar should pay. That's how fraud works.

How that gets corrected? The father will win the court. One of my female relatives started drinking, taking pills and guess what...father got the daughter, because the judge was just.
Fraud is criminal act. And I'm sure the judge will consider it and demand recovery. I know justice is sometimes blind and crippled but I don't think it is some sort of conspiracy.

If you have feeling mother is not providing for the kid, you should contact social services or even police. And demand reconsideration of who should be primary caretaker.

Bottom line...if you are on daggers with your ex. It is better not to fight about the child...it will rip him/her apart.

 

[zekko]

Even among those less well off I know WAY more working class single women balancing work, school, and children than single men. Men, however, seem to be overrepresented among those who go out to bars drinking and playing video games.

Unfortunately, you're correct.

Where I work, it seems to me that it is mostly women who go out for the promotions. A good proportion of the guys who try end up getting promoted, but it's mostly women trying out for them. Women seem to have a mindset that they are entitled to the promotions, while the guys seem more complacent.

Is this because women have been being encouraged to excel for the last several decades? Are boys growing up being encouraged to excel? Or is it more the girls who are now being told "you can be anything you want to be"? Women are encouraged to explore their potential.

Guys are encouraged to drink, and to be jerks. Become "Bad Boys" and you will be rewarded with 70 virgins to adore you. The men have dropped the ball.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Have a read of this recent article:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/05/the-end-of-men/8135

Take a dig through the comments at the end while you're at it. How does this impress you? Are men just bitter whiners after reading this?

 

[Warrior74]

I know it is tough to leave a child you love alone. But it is necessary in case you are on daggers with child's mother. Unfair to father? F@ck him. I know many fathers are alright, pay for their kids and take care of them when they are with him. However paying for the child gives you ZERO right to seeing them and returning them dirty and in emotional mess.

Explain how seeing your child is returning them as a dirty emotional mess? Do you have children? Studies have shown that having a father in an adolescences life reduces incidence of substance abuse, violence, crime, and truancy.

Nah. Screw that. I'm going to speak plainly. You don't know what you are talking about. You display great ignorance and feminist traits. You are at best fool and at worst a troll. Your best course of action would be not to breed with, nor speak to other human beings. May your genetic line end with you. Good day sir.

 

[DanelMadr]

Explain how seeing your child is returning them as a dirty emotional mess? Do you have children? Studies have shown that having a father in an adolescences life reduces incidence of substance abuse, violence, crime, and truancy.

Nah. Screw that. I'm going to speak plainly. You don't know what you are talking about. You display great ignorance and feminist traits. You are at best fool and at worst a troll. Your best course of action would be not to breed with, nor speak to other human beings. May your genetic line end with you. Good day sir.

I can reply now. Based on our private message debate my thoughts are this:

Yes the judicial system favors women as primary care takers of children. I do not think it is necessary wrong as mother is more important than a father if you have to choose.
However in some cases a woman is bad choice and the man has the right to get the kid. If you can have enough evidence than gossip - you will win the kid. Happens when a mother is alcoholic or nuts.

I believe a father has the right for seeing his child. The mother can "blackmail" the father but it is wrong and the court should hear about that.

My Bottom line.....paying for the kid gives me no right other than that the kid is provided for. If you think the money goes to her new bfs account, court should hear about that.

The child loves both parents and if fighting for him/her means hurting the child in the process it is better to back off....of course it is not the case of alcoholic or abusive etc. mother should have the care. The primary care taker has more rights, that is common sense.

I have seen many fathers fighting for the kid just because of hurt pride. I have seen fathers given primary caretaker role, because the mother was abusive etc. And yes sometimes justice is blind and stupid and it hurts. But you are an adult and you can take it.

If you are sure your fight is not about your ego, than I say go ahead and fight for the kid but have in mind it could be better for the child to have one parent than two fighting ones. Try to be objective however hard that is.

 

[mrRuckus]

Have a read of this recent article:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/05/the-end-of-men/8135

"With few exceptions, the greater the power of women, the greater the country’s economic success."

"Aid agencies have started to recognize this relationship"

I have no idea what is true, but these assumptions are irritating. Maybe the countries with the most power given to women are the ones with the luxury to do so because of the economic success.

We were a power before women's lib ever came around, for example. And considering that in the past 20-30 years is when women have really been entering the workforce, they entered it well after we were a huge superpower beast of a country, built on the backs of the men who built the Hoover dam, fought wars, built the interstate system and railroads, created the space program (responsible for a huge number of technologies we use today), invented all the awesome electronics we enjoy, etc. THEN when everything was in place and we were an economic monster, women really started to enter the workforce in larger numbers, riding the coattails of male creation.

One thing of note that i find interesting, is that women become powerful when the power is given to them. They always say they're "empowered." What's that mean? "to give power or authority to" Power that is GIVEN!

Surprise surprise that they become powerful when the laws, rules, and schools are changed to their advantage at the same time as they disadvantage men. If one team's 3 point line is moved back 5 feet while the other's is moved up 5 feet GUESS WHO WINS.

More to the point, what if the economics of the new era are better suited to women?

Once you open your eyes to this possibility, the evidence is all around you. It can be found, most immediately, in the wreckage of the Great Recession, in which three-quarters of the 8 million jobs lost were lost by men. The worst-hit industries were overwhelmingly male and deeply identified with macho: construction, manufacturing, high finance. Some of these jobs will come back, but the overall pattern of dislocation is neither temporary nor random. The recession merely revealed—and accelerated—a profound economic shift that has been going on for at least 30 years, and in some respects even longer.

Doesn't it stand to reason that if men can't get physical jobs anymore that they'll start getting schooling and training to get the jobs that women are currently in? When it's no job or a job they might not prefer, men are going to pick the job they can actually get. People go where the money is. The advantage women have is that bullsh1t "minority" stuff is still in place that keep white men out regardless of any better ability such as medical school.

Then where do women stand? They'll have to compete with men for the same jobs. Nothing says women are better suited. It's that it's just now becoming a new era where physical jobs aren't as important as they once were, and men haven't made the transition yet. Many are caught ill-prepared. I mean, if the country collapses and physical jobs become the important ones again, women will be just as caught with their pants around their ankles as many men are now. The good thing is that women aren't going to get much stronger, but men can learn to do office work and other higher learning jobs.

The moral of this is it seems like we give women a 3rd arm, and we tie one arm of each man behind his back, and then somehow through all this when women aren't filing paper work or entering customer service information with it, they use it to pat women on the back for their "great" accomplishments of mostly paper pushing.

I work at a large center of engineering, and it's still all men here while the women still just push paper.

It seems to me this is still the hierarchy... simplified, but:
1. Smart, educated guys getting sh1t done... a few women
2. Mostly "educated" women with mostly pointless degrees (psychology, communications, art etc) doing mindless office work (which does include management often, sadly)
3. Blue collar men

Last year, Iceland elected Prime Minister Johanna Sigurdardottir, the world’s first openly lesbian head of state, who campaigned explicitly against the male elite she claimed had destroyed the nation’s banking system, and who vowed to end the “age of testosterone.”

That's a great accomplishment? Blame the problems on men and get a rabble of women behind you to agree because SOMEONE HAS TO BE BLAMED!!! "Vote for me! I can't be as bad!" Isn't that how Hitler got into power but replace men with "jews?" Hell, the last few years that's how democrats took over. "Vote for me, I'm not a republican!" How many people regret that decision now? (note: this isn't political because i belong to neither party)

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

RUCKUS, I agree with you. That article is essential cherry picked data to prop up a feminist triumphalism, but I linked it because this is the popular conception that a feminized society would like us to believe. Men are obsolete and women are humanity perfected, yet still they are the victims, still they are oppressed, still we should make concessions for their restitution and retribution.

This is exactly the meme I'm reading guy's parrot back in this thread. Isn't it fascinating that we can sympathize so readily with the "plight of under-served women" and hold up a mirror for them to gaze at all their accomplishments, and then in the next thread complain about slutty and oversexualized women in the clubs with a Ke$ha complex using that as a banner for how far women have advanced like it's some neo-feminism?

Pull your heads out of your asses gentlemen and stop repeating the neo-feminist jargon. Women like Carly Fiorina are CEOs of companies that MEN built. They enjoy being in the driver's seat because MEN put them there.

 

[DanelMadr]

RUCKUS, I agree with you. That article is essential cherry picked data to prop up a feminist triumphalism, but I linked it because this is the popular conception that a feminized society would like us to believe. Men are obsolete and women are humanity perfected, yet still they are the victims, still they are oppressed, still we should make concessions for their restitution and retribution.

This is exactly the meme I'm reading guy's parrot back in this thread. Isn't it fascinating that we can sympathize so readily with the "plight of under-served women" and hold up a mirror for them to gaze at all their accomplishments, and then in the next thread complain about slutty and oversexualized women in the clubs with a Ke$ha complex using that as a banner for how far women have advanced like it's some neo-feminism?

Pull your heads out of your asses gentlemen and stop repeating the neo-feminist jargon. Women like Carly Fiorina are CEOs of companies that MEN built. They enjoy being in the driver's seat because MEN put them there.

But is it OK for men to have the same exact mentality of victims, the oppressed ones? Is the solution to force things back where it was 60 years ago? Or should we make quotas for men at schools or other advantages for men to close the gap?

I agree with mrRuckus. But what is the solution? I strongly oppose any government involvement in this matter because social engineering is dangerous, often stupid and backfires sooner or later.

There always will be some AA even without government support. Schools will open useless programs to attract girls and f@gs just to get more money.
Big companies will favor girls because the big company does not need extra drive, it needs worker bees and women are the submissive ones.

(One of the very successful businessmen once gave an interview. He was talking how it is important for business to always reach for more etc. When asked why almost all of his employees are women, he answered that they work to the max and don't ask for raise, meanwhile guys try to always reach out for more. Basically contradicting himself. Well fvck him. I won't work for him.)

Yes women are better suited for calm times like these. And guys have not adapted well. And I say fvck them. It is individual. Some cope well some are lazy and don't.
If a business can employ people with useless skils and pay them, that is their problem. I don't want to work there.

All I can do about it is to vote for someone who will not be doing social engineering.

However I belive it is not that bad situation now. Think about it...you can date whoever you want - not possible 60 years ago- and if you find a good girl you can be sure she is good because she is good not pretending it afraid her community would burn her.

We can't go back and ban contraception and stuff. With freedom comes responsibility and the weakest guys and girls won't survive...unless social state helps them like it does in f@ggy Europe. You just can't fall on your azz and learn here. Welfare is bad.

 

[Jitterbug]

Men taking no action is an action. When men do nothing, it means they don't care anymore. Female supremacy in our society only survives because of male taxes and male support. When the majority of men don't care, start to avoid marriages, work less (only enough to support themselves), pay less, stop dating, stop protecting women etc., women will be in serious troubles.

 

[Trader]

Men taking no action is an action. When men do nothing, it means they don't care anymore. Female supremacy in our society only survives because of male taxes and male support. When the majority of men don't care, start to avoid marriages, work less (only enough to support themselves), pay less, stop dating, stop protecting women etc., women will be in serious troubles.

When will that happen

 

[Jitterbug]

It's already happening and will continue this way for the next decade at least. Once the number hits critical mass, there's no going back.

One of the top signs of male support for women is to offer them protection. Yet in recent years, there have been many cases of women being attacked or even raped in public and male bystanders did nothing. Feminist brainwashing is training males to be apathetic towards women and it won't be men who pay the ultimate price.

 

[Colossus]

I wouldn't go so far as to say the world is "female dominated", but our culture definitely gives women power. When they get older the system gives them power in marital matters.

This isnt going to go away; in fact it will get worse before it gets any better. the days of women towing the line and staying out of your face wont return in our lifetimes.

The best a man can do is choose a woman who acts the way he wants her to, at least most of the time. I'm all for being a goddamn Man, but in western culture there is just no getting around the fact that there is going to be women strutting around with an air of entitlement doing and saying whatever the fvck they want. Sometimes you'll be able to put them in their place, but you know what? The more you rage against it the more the social system is going to sh1t on you. I'm not saying bend over and take it from women, but fight the battles you can win. You cant win the culture war. You CAN win the smaller battles of arming yourself with awareness, not tolerating disrespect, and finding a chick who has some goddamn class.

None of this avoiding marriage bullsh1t is going to happen on a large scale. And women certainly arent going to start dropping out of positions of power unless we come upon a time of massive conflict. They are glorified in the media, and protected by the law. Fight the battles you can win gents.

 

[DMSR76]

The best a man can do is choose a woman who acts the way he wants her to, at least most of the time. I'm all for being a goddamn Man, but in western culture there is just no getting around the fact that there is going to be women strutting around with an air of entitlement doing and saying whatever the fvck they want. Sometimes you'll be able to put them in their place, but you know what? The more you rage against it the more the social system is going to sh1t on you. I'm not saying bend over and take it from women, but fight the battles you can win. You cant win the culture war. You CAN win the smaller battles of arming yourself with awareness, not tolerating disrespect, and finding a chick who has some goddamn class.

None of this avoiding marriage bullsh1t is going to happen on a large scale. And women certainly arent going to start dropping out of positions of power unless we come upon a time of massive conflict. They are glorified in the media, and protected by the law. Fight the battles you can win gents.

This is awesome.

 

[jophil28]

I wouldn't go so far as to say the world is "female dominated", but our culture definitely gives women power. When they get older the system gives them power in marital matters.

Indeed it does and it also gives them numerous ways to avoid being accountable for their poor choices.
Our culture persists in teaching women that they can "have it all" and that is a man's job to pay the freight .

THis is an unwinnable battle, globally . It needs to be fought instead in the small events of your own life..one entitled, egocentric woman at a time.
And it starts when YOU are willing to walk away without a word at the next significant display of disrespect.

 

[sharkbeat]

Here's why: because men prefer women.

That top 5% males who control the companies/business/etc (i.e Donald Trump), prefer women over men to be their partners for the obvious reason. If a man and a woman possess the same skillset, those 5% horny men who control the hiring will of course pick women. Since there are fewer marriages now, there are more single females out there who are just out there to have some fun:

* Would you have a hot female chef or a fat Italian male chef?
* Would you prefer a female bartender or a male bartender? (Even customers would prefer female bartenders)
* Would you prefer having a female Real Estate Agent or a male Real Estate Agent?

These women are more successful because of that 5% men on top giving them the opportunity. So, to the rest of 95% males who are out there job hunting, won't get the jobs because the hiring managers would prefer female candidates over males, unless it's a job that no females want to have (i.e car mechanics, constructions, computer programming).

 

[DanelMadr]

Female power whatever that is, is a media bubble. Men laugh at it, women laugh at it. Women don't vote for women.

The problem is not that they have more power than before. The problem is men are sloppier than ever -pvssyfied wussies.
Is feminized school system a problem? Yes.
Too much of liberal pacifist pvssies with their political correctness in media? Yes.
Socialistic experiments? Yes.

But the main problem is circumstances.
Prosperity, lack of wars....men don't have to even try to survive.

Women do not believe in their "power". I always read here..'Don't judge them based on what they say...observe what they do.'

And gentlemen, this very site is a proof that they don't want a weak men without control.

Are they conflicted? Yes.
Her brain: Be independent, ambitious and arrogant and run for president like they say on TV.
Her pvssy: I need to be ravaged.

Conflicted exactly like AFCs are. Unless they are not in accord with their internal desires and project femininity, I say give them "Let's just be friends." speech.

I believe women who can't let go of their strong desire to control men and remain conflicted were here thousands of years. There are not many of them but they are powerful. I say when they start to breathe down your neck, be smart and if you have back up from many women, she can't hurt you. And you will have the back up, because women hate each other like hell and especially those with power.

 

[DanelMadr]

One of the top signs of male support for women is to offer them protection. Yet in recent years, there have been many cases of women being attacked or even raped in public and male bystanders did nothing. Feminist brainwashing is training males to be apathetic towards women and it won't be men who pay the ultimate price.

Nope that's because they scared shytless. SCARED SHYTLESS.

And you know what. When you actually stand up and do something....other people fvcking hate you. Might even laugh at you "You stupid pr!ck, who do you think you are? It is Police work not yours to risk your life." They fvcking hate you because they feel even worse now when someone was able to stand up and fight.

I have seen it many times. Psychologists call it idon'tremembernow but basically everyone in a group expects that the others will do something about it. So it is actually better to ask for help one concrete person "Sir, could you help me out here?" than to shout "Please somebody help me."
Why? Because when everyone is a coward you can feel less as a coward.
And once someone does something brave, others either join in or flame him.

If someones excuse for not helping a woman being raped is "She wanted to be equal so now she should help herself." It just a fvcking excuse for him shytting his pants.

Come on guys of SS, we should know better. Don't get bitter or jaded. Live in your own world and don't let yourself suck in to this cynical mentality. Open doors for them, help them, kick azz....if they don't appreciate it so what? You don't do it to look good but to feel good inside. Because you are the Big White/Black/Yellow/Red Man who can do good things for free. And who always get the blame when something is wrong. Get used to it.

 

[zekko]

When the majority of men don't care, start to avoid marriages, work less (only enough to support themselves), pay less, stop dating, stop protecting women etc., women will be in serious troubles.

Unfortunately men won't be in that great a state either, if they're not out there building wealth for themselves and just doing enough to get by.

Even customers would prefer female bartenders

Customers prefer dealing with women in a lot of different jobs. They'd prefer a woman to wait on their table, a woman to check them out at the supermarket, a woman to check them in at the hotel. This is because men carry around that alpha/dominance/intimidation attitude with them, while women will let their guard down for you, be submissive to your needs, and are just more socially skilled in general.

If we are headed toward service economies in the West, it's no wonder more and more men are finding themselves unemployed.
Unfortunately it seems unlikely that manufacturing is going to make any great comeback. The cost of an employee in the West is too high, the cost of maintaining a Western lifestyle is too high, and the cost of health care and health insurance is too high. It's just more profitable to make goods in China.

Yet in recent years, there have been many cases of women being attacked or even raped in public and male bystanders did nothing.

It's not just cases of women being attacked either. There have been numerous videos on the news of people being assaulted while a bunch of onlookers ignored their pleas for help and did nothing. They wouldn't even call the cops on their cell phones. People (men included) have become much more docile and jaded. This sort of behavior would have been considered shameful when I was growing up, and practically unthinkable.