Original Posters, DJB Authors, Where Are They Now?

[Buddha_Mind]

My question regards the authors of many of the DJB articles -- where are these people now? Some posters, pook, for example, seem long gone, as some of these threads are nearly 10 years old (amazing this database has been preserved so well).

My questions are: have they found the success they were seeking? Are some married in LTRs with little kiddos? Have some relapsed?

Any insight would be interesting

 

[Buddha_Mind]

I have yet to find any evidence where some of these original forum posters are now. Pook has a blog whose last entry was 10 years ago. I just wonder if these guys have found their success in the long-term, or at least have been able to cultivate relationships of their own choosing with their own expression rather than be victimized.

I imagine the mentality here has changed a great deal in the last 10 years. Hopefully the sincerity and realness can be preserved. I definitely believe every man should be able to have the form of their life that they desire.

 

[squirrels]

Most either give up the "Don Juan" life and settle down, or they go insane trying to get their heads further around the nature of reality.

What you may not understand is that the "DJ Legends" don't have the answers either. I learned this talking to them...I expected them to have answers that would somehow inspire me, to have an understanding of the "meaning of life" that I didn't and to be able to tell me what my "inner game" was missing.

What I've found is that we're all just as lost.

The reason the DJ Bible might "resonate" with you is because it isn't really TEACHING you anything. It's just reminding you of things that, deep down, you already know. It's just stripping away the social conditioning that you've undergone for years and introducing you to alternate possibilities.

The problem is that the change for most people is only temporary...they eventually find a way to integrate the "new wisdom" with the old conditioning, thus tainting it and causing it to lose its effectiveness.

That's what happens to most "Don Juan legends"...they integrate the "wisdom" that broken them out of their mental cages and use it to build a NEW cage to keep themselves in.

The ones that don't eventually go crazy trying to handle being "in the abyss", without any real structure to guide them. The chaos consumes them. They long to be back in the cage.

Very few can find the coveted middle-ground. Those people...you probably won't hear from them again. Their message resonates on a level that you aren't far along enough yet to hear.

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear Squirrels,
"That's what happens to most "Don Juan legends"...they integrate the "wisdom" that broken them out of their mental cages and use it to build a NEW cage to keep themselves in.

The ones that don't eventually go crazy trying to handle being "in the abyss", without any real structure to guide them. The chaos consumes them. They long to be back in the cage.

Very few can find the coveted middle-ground. Those people...you probably won't hear from them again. Their message resonates on a level that you aren't far along enough yet to hear..........Goodness How profound....That will give God Bhudda something to chew on!

 

[squirrels]

Of some relevancy: There are books on the subject of the exploration of the chaos and the unknowable referred to as warriorship. Perhaps if the advice for these investigations into chaos were referred to the problems with chaos exploration would be lessened.

Give me some titles.

 

[Bluntmaster]

What happened to Francisco D'anconia? That guy is a legend.

 

[Boilermaker]

Most either give up the "Don Juan" life and settle down, or they go insane trying to get their heads further around the nature of reality.

What you may not understand is that the "DJ Legends" don't have the answers either. I learned this talking to them...I expected them to have answers that would somehow inspire me, to have an understanding of the "meaning of life" that I didn't and to be able to tell me what my "inner game" was missing.

What I've found is that we're all just as lost.

The reason the DJ Bible might "resonate" with you is because it isn't really TEACHING you anything. It's just reminding you of things that, deep down, you already know. It's just stripping away the social conditioning that you've undergone for years and introducing you to alternate possibilities.

The problem is that the change for most people is only temporary...they eventually find a way to integrate the "new wisdom" with the old conditioning, thus tainting it and causing it to lose its effectiveness.

That's what happens to most "Don Juan legends"...they integrate the "wisdom" that broken them out of their mental cages and use it to build a NEW cage to keep themselves in.

The ones that don't eventually go crazy trying to handle being "in the abyss", without any real structure to guide them. The chaos consumes them. They long to be back in the cage.

Very few can find the coveted middle-ground. Those people...you probably won't hear from them again. Their message resonates on a level that you aren't far along enough yet to hear.

you are a deep thinker with a lot of imagination and a big heart.

I dig you man. you are already a legend yourself.

keep it up, I am lagging 10 years, but hey, be patient with me

 

[Julius_Seizeher]

Upon making SS a success, they made Rollo the Chairman and retired to foreign beaches.

 

[Atom Smasher]

I disagree with all this deep analysis.

I think those guys grew, this place became less useful, and it just became time to move on. Some of them may have gotten married.

I also disagree with change being only temporary. I've changed at a gut level and I'm simply not even the person I was a year ago. I can't go back because I have changed on such a fundamental level. I'm more free than I've ever been.

But who knows? For all I know Pook might be ironing his wife's blouse for work tomorrow even as I type this.

 

[Falcon25]

They are married, on the verge of divorce, balding, wondering what went wrong.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

They contributed what they had and moved on. It's kind of strange to have seen the 'community' evolve over the last 8 years. I can remember when SS was on the old server and Intellectual Whøres was the most radical site in what would become the community.

 

[vatoloco]

I last saw them in a "Where Are They Now?" special on VH1...

 

[Buddha_Mind]

I last saw them in a "Where Are They Now?" special on VH1...

LOL.

Well the ultimate goal is to work towards your own happiness. There are people who are happily married to the right person as much as this forum seems to disagree with this idea. I can understand that a certain point, this place becomes not so useful anymore, the wisdom is integrated, personal choices are made. I hope that wherever they are they are having quality relationships of their own choosing. I think that's the biggest point of this place. Not to hate on women--not to become cynical--not to become an expert sniper at sex--although some may desire this. I think the fundamental thing to take from this site is to cultivate relationships that are based on some degree of respect. Clearly this is a hard thing to find. Especially with young girls. Especially in a highly-individualized society such as the one we have. It is difficult to find levels of commitment not only between man and woman, but on lots of other levels.

I can see how this website could make a person insane. It's sort of like using a hallucinogenic drug (yes taboo subject), but hey, once you open a third eye, it's hard to shut it -- the cozy arrangements we have about life are difficult to actualize. But the rabbit hole never ends, that is the truth. You can go as deep as you want to go, and I'm not sure anyone will ever have the coveted answers. No human can have something so solid to hold between their fingers.

Squirrels--you are definitely an insightful and intelligent guy. I know you get frustrated. The human gradient can be wide in terms of behavior. Women can crush a man's understanding of everything "good". But these are perhaps the wrong women. I think a person such as yourself, will find a person on a similar intellectual level--perhaps that is one thing you have not found yet. Most women are not interesting in "deep thinking", from what I've gathered, and are easily debased when talking about "big subjects", because of their feelings of insecurity and needs of reassurance. But I do know, for fact, some women are able to handle such things. Just very rare.

Maybe finding a good woman is sort of like hunting for jade or gold or some other precious stone. There is a lot of garbage rubble out there. You can't just kick over any rock to find something of sparkling splendor. Perhaps the best thing we can continue doing is expanding ourselves, making ourselves as shiny and wonderful as possible, and in return, another ruby may find us.

I digress--thanks for replies. I hope wherever the DJ fore-fathers are (hehe), they are happy...not wandering the streets in ragged clothing mumbling DJ catch-phrases to themselves, eyes darting in insanity :crazy: amidst the social arrangements we all live in...

 

[zekko]

I also disagree with change being only temporary. I've changed at a gut level and I'm simply not even the person I was a year ago.

Ever hear of the idea that people's lives change about once every seven years? Do you think there may be something to that?
Maybe they went through their seven year phase and became bored with this stuff and moved on to something else.

For instance, I came here when I was 49 (divisible by seven). It was time to put some of my demons involving women to rest. I think I've done fairly well with women but I used to let some of the rejections get to me. Studying seduction has shown me that rejections mean almost nothing.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Ever hear of the idea that people's lives change about once every seven years? Do you think there may be something to that?
Maybe they went through their seven year phase and became bored with this stuff and moved on to something else.

For instance, I came here when I was 49 (divisible by seven). It was time to put some of my demons involving women to rest. I think I've done fairly well with women but I used to let some of the rejections get to me. Studying seduction has shown me that rejections mean almost nothing.

Yes I have, zekko, and I think there may be something to it. I can't do the math for myself on this site because I can't remember when I first got on (with a different name) but it was probably close to 7 years ago, and I do notice that I've become much less reliant on basic p/u advice and I'm more just writing for myself and posting it here in case anyone's interested in my mental eruptions. That's not to say I don't learn here... I just gravitate more toward the philosophical "how to be a better man" stuff.

Maybe in another 7 years I'll be ready to leave. One thing is for sure, for about 7 years I read and read but never really internalized it, until virtually overnight it clicked for me. It was like all this information reached a critical mass and changed me immediately. Strange how that works. So let's see what happens in 2017.

And you're right... rejections should mean nothing. It is truly a numbers game, and the big mistake is investing oneself emotionally before establishing mutual attraction. I stay detatched until I see something promising.

 

[Buddha_Mind]

I know from a biological perspective most of your cells roll over in about seven years. That means, if you're not happy with your body, be glad to know in seven laps around the sun, a great portion of you will be brand-new cells by comparison to the present...

So yes, we are always changing and refreshing and only being 26 I already look back over the last 10 years and see so many changes and phases and differing challenges....I see the next 10 years as bright...and my knowledge and strength only growing...

Look..life brings us to a place of learning..we learn and move on...we internalize and we carry forwards in ways that we could not without first internalizing....yes, there are also some studies that last a lifetime...I imagine for most this website will not be a life-long endeavor (let us only imagine what the internet will become in the next 40-50 years)...but for many, it may begin a new train of thought or habit that takes a life of its own...

I hope to cruise out of the planes of my conditioned ideologies into the abyss of my own self discovery..