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[Duffdog]

Its sounds like she was looking for the first guy to be a male and take charge-- I guess it wasn't you.

 

[guytime]

Although I don't want to bother with either this girl, or the seminar, do you think the situation is salvageable? My intuition says it is not.

 

[guytime]

No way. I've already dropped the seminar.

So what's my m.o. at this point in the off chance I see her again? Ignore her?

 

[goodfoot]

Why do you need an MO?

 

[909pua]

This is a follow up. It's over based on what I saw today, or even sooner than that.

This girl has been giving me crazy IOI's for about a week and a half. Now here's the issue: I was uncertain of her age. She looks young. It turns out she's just graduated high school. If you know what I mean.

I'm older than she is, and she knows that. She's younger than I am, and I knew that. So, it led to a lot of hesitancy on both sides.

Second factor:
I've "rejected her" about three times now. She's giving me openings to isolate her on multiple occasions, and as a result of the first thing listed above, I haven't made a move, even though she timidly gave me a green light to proceed.

So, on day one, she introduced herself. I talked to her after class, and she asked me if I had not yet purchased my book, since she was going to the bookstore. So that was my first opening. I bailed. It was awkward.

Also, last week, she stated that she needed someone to practice with. I said nothing.

Then, this past day, she was being chatted up by a couple guys. I couldn't deal with the cluster situation, so I just bailed.

She said "byeeee." in a very solemn, sad tone of voice.

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It turns out the two guys gaming her number close her today at the end of the seminar.
I knew my chances were essentially done when one of the two sat next to her in the seminar today. She lit up. That made her VERY happy. I knew right away I was out of the picture.

Nonetheless, I knew I had to try. I chat her up. She won't look up from her cell phone. And she drops a couple IOD's: what? you're telling a girl to drink? That's bad!" And she starts talking to another girl so the iso between us is broken.

I talk to her again after class, and when I kino, she says, "so nice to meet you!" Basically saying goodbye.

I still try to number close her. She says that she's not very good, and that she wouldn't be good to practice with. Then she says that she might practice with someone else. She doesn't say no, but she says I should check back with her on Monday, to see if she's good enough to practice with by then.

Anyway, in summary:

1. she was super nervous. This made me nervous.
2. the age thing was complicating to say the least.
3. I kept "rejecting" her which made her sad.
4. When I rejected her a third time, it was too much, and she drew a line in the sand.
5. I tried again anyway, but much too late.

You really have to hardwire this into your DNA and act immediately. Hesitation is your enemy.

hey man, i think its done between you and her. she gave you 3 chances and you didnt' do nothing about it, this told her that you are inexperienced and that if she gets with you, she's gonna have to hold your hand and teach you the ropes, which is a turn off. You should have immediately reacted to the first one. If i were you, i would have told her, "hey let's go eat somewhere like TGIF" and from there, you crack jokes at her, KINO her, then at the end of the night, bust in her mouth!

 

[909pua]

Although I don't want to bother with either this girl, or the seminar, do you think the situation is salvageable? My intuition says it is not.

What I would do is try asking her out one more time, if she flakes or disses you, just slam the door shut on her face and NEXT her A$$ and use this as a learning lesson!

 

[909pua]

No way. I've already dropped the seminar.

So what's my m.o. at this point in the off chance I see her again? Ignore her?

Nothing will work at this point, your only option is to TRY asking her to go somewhere with you, if she goes with you, then you still have a chance...Read my signature, its the motto i live by

 

[guytime]

Thanks for the feedback homies. I'm leaning towards letting it go and preserving it as a lesson. Quite frankly, I have no interest in seeing her again. Plus, not going to that seminar is going to save me a huge amount of time which will be better served on other more important and pressing tasks.

The nice thing I walk away with is that pretty much every female tranced out at first sight, and I was attracting pretty much just by standing or sitting or walking. No extra effort required. I now feel like a stuff muffin, even when I dress down and don't work out.

But yeah, the lesson is, make a move RIGHT away at the first opportunity. And she gave me that opportunity countless times. Even before I walked into the seminar room! She was already staring at me! So, she probably felt rejected not three, but many more times than that. Man, she was gaming me pretty hard.

I think she's had it with the seminar too. I don't think she'll finish it. Just sick of her top drawer dude doing nothing even though she's investing all this time in the seminar. Sigh.

What I would do is try asking her out one more time, if she flakes or disses you, just slam the door shut on her face and NEXT her A$$ and use this as a learning lesson!

 

[guytime]

You know, I'm not absolutely certain of this, as they discussed this out of earshot, but, I do believe the gal in question is pretty much going to use the guy who gamed her last, to do her seminar work for her. She seems to be giving off a 'friend' vibe with this dude, as in, no tension, no nervousness amiable chit chat. Then, she hits them up for info so she doesn't have to do any work.

So, those guys are investing, but she's going to reap the benefit.

Anyway, this is another lesson for you guys: if she is completely comfortable with you, and there doesn't seem to be a tension, that's not necessarily a good thing. You want there to be some sexual tension and nervous energy. In her case, it just went overboard.

 

[909pua]

Thanks for the feedback homies. I'm leaning towards letting it go and preserving it as a lesson. Quite frankly, I have no interest in seeing her again. Plus, not going to that seminar is going to save me a huge amount of time which will be better served on other more important and pressing tasks.

The nice thing I walk away with is that pretty much every female tranced out at first sight, and I was attracting pretty much just by standing or sitting or walking. No extra effort required. I now feel like a stuff muffin, even when I dress down and don't work out.

But yeah, the lesson is, make a move RIGHT away at the first opportunity. And she gave me that opportunity countless times. Even before I walked into the seminar room! She was already staring at me! So, she probably felt rejected not three, but many more times than that. Man, she was gaming me pretty hard.

I think she's had it with the seminar too. I don't think she'll finish it. Just sick of her top drawer dude doing nothing even though she's investing all this time in the seminar. Sigh.

its not too late, dont talk to her for a week and then call her and ask her out! like the DJs in here say, the worst thing to do is not to risk!

 

[909pua]

Anyway, this is another lesson for you guys: if she is completely comfortable with you, and there doesn't seem to be a tension, that's not necessarily a good thing. You want there to be some sexual tension and nervous energy. In her case, it just went overboard.

no man, if she's comfortable with you, she's giving you a chance, its up to you to play your game right to turn her sexual buttons on. Like i said, i was able to turn a non-attracted female with no tension to an attracted one with sexual tension by KINO and by playing everything cool. she doesnt have to be nervous since she knows a bunch of guys want her. sure enough, i gave this girl 3 orgasms and now i;m back in the game after listening to everyone's advice in here.

let me tell this to you, try to take her out... then do this in this order if she doesn't resist to each step take it to the next step, each step is about 3-5 min

poke her
rub her skin
put arm around her and say "dang you can be like my buddy"
start rubbing her arm and hand
massage her arm
massage her neck
run fingers thru her hair (if you get to this point, this means you are game)
massage her whole body
grab her leg and say "i like the composition of you leg, its just right"
massage leg and arms at the same time
start kissing her arms little pecks
then start licking her arms
massage her head, stroke fingers thru hair, lick her arms, massage her arms and leg
then kiss her neck, lick it
then kiss her lips
then run your hands down her *****
then if she kisses you wildly, you can take her dress off, eat her out or bone or both, its up to you

this is how i made a friend into a f$ck buddy

you are looking at about 20-30 min of foreplay before hitting homerun

 

[guytime]

--Bangs fists on table--

You guys are awesome, even though I disagree. The seminar is extremely time consuming for me, and I was debating whether I should take it at all, given the investment of time and energy. With this girl gaming me as hard as she was, I was willing to hang in there. But, I'm not sure she's going to finish the seminar. And I don't have her number.

She mentioned some possibility of taking a vacation sometime during the seminar, so after that, who knows? There's really only one other gameable gal in the seminar, and for whatever reason, I'm not hot for her. She's not a bad looking gal, but I'm not feeling it with her.

This may signal a return to night game for me, although really, I want to get this done during the day when people are sober. Isn't it sad that girls will grab my privates at first sight and literally do all the work at night, but without alcohol they can't even talk to me? Sheez.

its not too late, dont talk to her for a week and then call her and ask her out! like the DJs in here say, the worst thing to do is not to risk!

 

[guytime]

Sigh.

I realized this girl still wants me. I tried talking to her a couple times yesterday. She IOD'ed me heavily. "Yeah, it's a lot easier to learn a language when you are YOUNGER," an obvious dig because of our age difference. And she wouldn't even look at me when I tried to talk to her again a second time, instead looking down texting on her phone.

So, I figured, no way. However, we were supposed to pair up at the end to work together with one other person. Guess what? She stared at me over her shoulder for a prolonged period AGAIN.

So I said "come on, Sheila, we'll work together." Instead, she turned to her new courter and worked with him instead.

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Amazingly, I've rejected her at least five times, and she has taken several jabs at me back, but she still wants me. This is getting to be a real pain.

 

[909pua]

hahha, start touching her (KINO) and see how she reacts..if she reacts negatively, leave and NEXT her... that is your last ditch effort to turn the situation around..

enough of the talking, step it up..shes waiting for you to make a move...sit next to her and start massaging her shoulders.

action speaks volumes compared to words

 

[Daddy The Pimp]

hmm.. the first post on this page , about the ages and sh1t. EXCUSES. Fvcking excuses. And you know it. You couldn't care less that she's younger. You're just trying to save ur skin here.

The best option in my opinion ? Ignore her. She has you now by the balls. You're not attractive to her anymore. She might flirt with you occasionally but you're not fvcking this chick. Anyway , its just my opinion.