Orbiters

[guytime]

All right, so there's this girl who's been diggin' me hardcore. She's very popular and attracts men like you wouldn't believe. Every guy within a five mile vicinity attempts to chat her up.

But she's made her choice, and in this case, it happens to be myself. On the one hand, that's good. She's constantly staring over her shoulder at me when she thinks I'm not looking. She blocks my path to ensure I notice her if she sees me walking near. She stretches out and shakes out her hair in front of me.

And, if she doesn't see me for one day, she demands: "where have you been?" When she has the courage to talk to me, it's questions like: "do you like to drink?"

I've been around the block so I know what she wants. The thing is, an isolation for number close or anything else is a little tricky as guys are constantly hovering around at all times.

Also, she gets very nervous around me. She stutters, second guesses what she's going to say, and just generally does not feel comfortable, lest she mess things up.

As a result, as soon as we start talking, she will immediately chat up someone else, a "safe" person who she is not interested in, and again, this makes an iso difficult.

So, I'm being patient, but I'm just trying to give her the experience that she wants and that I now want.

Anyway, there's got to be a way either to:

1. isolate her despite the orbiters
2. close her in front of orbiters (which I doubt she would like since she clearly does not want to make her interest transparent).

Recs?

 

[DJDamage]

Ignore the orbiters and isolate her.

I am sure she will lie to her orbiters afterwards regarding your discussion (if they ask) because she is an attention wh0re and would like to continue keeping them around.

 

[TizZle]

Is she an attention wh0re? *Edit* DJDAMAGE answered that for you. I suspected she is, like most cute chicks.

She obviously is interested in you... Take charge and get her number. Either A by asking for it or B take her phone from her and call your phone from it.

Remain mysterious and a challenge. Have fun with this chick and tell us how it goes.

 

[guytime]

Actually, she doesn't seek out the attention. She just hangs out by herself and guys and gals approach her all the time, smiling and wanting to be her friend, or more than that.

I'm actually the only person where she has approached another person, rather than the other way around. I can tell she's used to this attention, but she doesn't make any deliberate effort.

Anyway, as soon as I am isolated (when she isolates me actually), someone else butts in. So I'm trying to look for a smooth transition out of that. And she is not opposed to others joining in on the conversation, ironically, as she feels more comfortable around people she is not as strongly attracted to, or is not attracted to at all.

 

[AF77]

When orbiters come, leave the group pretty quickly.
If she wants your attention specifically, she'll come to you if you keep leaving the chit-chat group.

 

[guytime]

Yes, she does chat me up quite often. But as soon as this happens, boom! some chode enters the picture.

 

[909pua]

All right, so there's this girl who's been diggin' me hardcore. She's very popular and attracts men like you wouldn't believe. Every guy within a five mile vicinity attempts to chat her up.

But she's made her choice, and in this case, it happens to be myself. On the one hand, that's good. She's constantly staring over her shoulder at me when she thinks I'm not looking. She blocks my path to ensure I notice her if she sees me walking near. She stretches out and shakes out her hair in front of me.

And, if she doesn't see me for one day, she demands: "where have you been?" When she has the courage to talk to me, it's questions like: "do you like to drink?"

I've been around the block so I know what she wants. The thing is, an isolation for number close or anything else is a little tricky as guys are constantly hovering around at all times.

Also, she gets very nervous around me. She stutters, second guesses what she's going to say, and just generally does not feel comfortable, lest she mess things up.

As a result, as soon as we start talking, she will immediately chat up someone else, a "safe" person who she is not interested in, and again, this makes an iso difficult.

So, I'm being patient, but I'm just trying to give her the experience that she wants and that I now want.

Anyway, there's got to be a way either to:

1. isolate her despite the orbiters
2. close her in front of orbiters (which I doubt she would like since she clearly does not want to make her interest transparent).

Recs?

what i would do is be silly and joking with her then neg her a bit then start KINO with her. Then at that point just tell tell her if she wants to go this place or that place to chill. if she says no, then leave it at that and don't pursue anymore. if you don't pursue her after that, she will realize you are different from the others and she will come back to you.

 

[909pua]

She's an attention hor! And she's using all her charms to get you to chase her, make a move, then reject you and place you in her orbit with the LJBF speech.

SHE'S A HISTRIONIC! So why are you even considering "isolating" her? Is this the first time you've dealt with one of these creatures? If she was really interested in a relationship, she'd make it very, very easy to get with her; but all these obstacles she's throwing up are nothing more than buffers.

LOL. Why do you think she has "every guy in a five mile radius" fighting for her? Because every guy in a five mile radius is getting the same phony signals.

Go ahead and "isolate" her and prepare to join her orbit of worship.

The only way to deal with an AW is ice cold no contact. The crushing blow to her eggshell ego will cause her to chase you with ever increasing intensity and frequency until she's fallen for you and will work to isolate YOU.

truthfully, i think if he KINOs her up, he'll be able to go further at that point and maybe bring her in bed if he plays his game right.

 

[Unbridled_Phoenix]

I hate loser orbiters, these guys have no self-respect.

 

[guytime]

I realized I've just given this way too much thought, and it's really become a distraction for me. I have to admit, she's actually given me a couple of opportunities to isolate her and quite frankly *I've* frozen up both times.

Opportunity 1 Her: "Um, I'm going to the bookstore now...did you get your book already?" This was a clear invite, just the two of us.

Opportunity 2 Her: "I need to practice speaking with someone..." Big smile. I say nothing. Duh.

So, we're both freezing up to a certain degree. She's approached me several times as well, either with conversation, and at least once an hour simply by staring at me over her shoulder, or just lingering and waiting for me.

I think she's getting tired of waiting for me, and I have to make a move asap. Thanks, and I will report how it goes. Wish me well.

 

[Daddy The Pimp]

Lol so much hate on women on this site.

I would use the orbiters to my advantage. I would go through them , grab her hand , lead her some feets away and number close her or whatever.

I love to tool chodes so this would be a perfect opportunity.

This might get her very attracted to you because you're showing a lot of alpha male traits.

 

[Kal0051]

I just ignore them, never really try to tool them (I could care less). The funny thing is that I've had orbiters try and tool me but I still left with the girl they were trying to game (last night the 2 guys looked completely defeated, and I didn't even do that much, just had fun with the girl).

 

[Daddy The Pimp]

By tooling i meant me going in and grabbing the girl while they are talking to her and walking away like a fvcking hero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqz5dbs5zmo&feature=channel_page

 

[Kal0051]

By tooling i meant me going in and grabbing the girl while they are talking to her and walking away like a fvcking hero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqz5dbs5zmo&feature=channel_page

ohh, well that's pretty light IMO. Yeah that's all right (basically what I did last night), I thought you were being a bigger **** than that. All that is is you ignoring them and taking what you want.

 

[Daddy The Pimp]

ohh, well that's pretty light IMO. Yeah that's all right (basically what I did last night), I thought you were being a bigger **** than that. All that is is you ignoring them and taking what you want.

ya , big alpha male traits. Ignoring chodes , getting what you want without taking permission , leading her etc.

 

[Ice882]

By tooling i meant me going in and grabbing the girl while they are talking to her and walking away like a fvcking hero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqz5dbs5zmo&feature=channel_page

You damnn well better have a plan for what you're gonna do with her though. Otherwise you look like a tool.

 

[909pua]

forget all this alpha stuff, start KINO'ing her. You can get faster results with KINO and looking friendly rather than doing all this alpha stuff.

this let's her know that you can't land yourself in LJBF zone. Like what other peeps in here advise, if you don't start touching her, she will think you are just nice and a friend only material. you want her to look at you as F$CK material.

 

[Daddy The Pimp]

forget all this alpha stuff, start KINO'ing her. You can get faster results with KINO and looking friendly rather than doing all this alpha stuff.

this let's her know that you can't land yourself in LJBF zone. Like what other peeps in here advise, if you don't start touching her, she will think you are just nice and a friend only material. you want her to look at you as F$CK material.

A fvcking caveman that is going inside her group brushing chodes off his shoulders that grabs her and leads her away will come off as friendly ? Even if you start acting all chode after this , she will be wet down there.

And with this , kino comes right off the bat. You're holding her hand and leading her around the club. Than you can go full dominant and escalate on her if you're in the club. Outside the club , you should tone it down a little bit.

 

[Moon-Wolf]

Caveman! Thats what all real women strife for.

 

[guytime]

This is a follow up. It's over based on what I saw today, or even sooner than that.

This girl has been giving me crazy IOI's for about a week and a half. Now here's the issue: I was uncertain of her age. She looks young. It turns out she's just graduated high school. If you know what I mean.

I'm older than she is, and she knows that. She's younger than I am, and I knew that. So, it led to a lot of hesitancy on both sides.

Second factor:
I've "rejected her" about three times now. She's giving me openings to isolate her on multiple occasions, and as a result of the first thing listed above, I haven't made a move, even though she timidly gave me a green light to proceed.

So, on day one, she introduced herself. I talked to her after class, and she asked me if I had not yet purchased my book, since she was going to the bookstore. So that was my first opening. I bailed. It was awkward.

Also, last week, she stated that she needed someone to practice with. I said nothing.

Then, this past day, she was being chatted up by a couple guys. I couldn't deal with the cluster situation, so I just bailed.

She said "byeeee." in a very solemn, sad tone of voice.

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It turns out the two guys gaming her number close her today at the end of the seminar.
I knew my chances were essentially done when one of the two sat next to her in the seminar today. She lit up. That made her VERY happy. I knew right away I was out of the picture.

Nonetheless, I knew I had to try. I chat her up. She won't look up from her cell phone. And she drops a couple IOD's: what? you're telling a girl to drink? That's bad!" And she starts talking to another girl so the iso between us is broken.

I talk to her again after class, and when I kino, she says, "so nice to meet you!" Basically saying goodbye.

I still try to number close her. She says that she's not very good, and that she wouldn't be good to practice with. Then she says that she might practice with someone else. She doesn't say no, but she says I should check back with her on Monday, to see if she's good enough to practice with by then.

Anyway, in summary:

1. she was super nervous. This made me nervous.
2. the age thing was complicating to say the least.
3. I kept "rejecting" her which made her sad.
4. When I rejected her a third time, it was too much, and she drew a line in the sand.
5. I tried again anyway, but much too late.

You really have to hardwire this into your DNA and act immediately. Hesitation is your enemy.